#poor caesar

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The Bare Moon (4 of 4)

Thanks for reading <3

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I'm currently in the process of rewatching The Hunger Games movies, and honestly, I have to be so real "If it weren't for the baby" is my Roman empire. I think about it constantly.

Especially the way they did it in the movie (I'm obsessed with Josh Hutcherson)

THE DELIVERY.

Haymitch's little toast.

The audience SHRIEKING.

Everything about it, I think about it all the time.

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Okay, here's my first question. I always wondered if Ceasar knew that Will played a part in Koba's suffering. He said that Koba only learned hate from humans but how did/would he react knowing that ? I personally don't think Caesar really understood the role Will had in the lab. To me, he just thought that Will knew his mother and that she died there. But I don't think he realised that she was there (and died in a way too) only because of Will.

Caesar also always saw Will as someone extremely caring, someone who will take him to the vet for a little wound and someone who gave him this big room full of toys too.

So what would be his reaction learning that Will saw Koba was smart, saw him being in that (very) little cage and just... Put him in experiment ?

That's probably the main reason I can't stand Will by the way. 😅

I’m not sure if this applies but here’s my thoughts on Will:

Will is kind of a morally grey character as he does experiment on apes (which, by action alone. could mean he medically tortured apes and/or caused their deaths when said experiments failed-basically, the kind of human where fear and hate is completely valid especially from apes like Koba) but he does it for (somewhat) good reasons-he wants to cure Alzheimer’s to save his father (and other people of course but mainly Charles-which I can’t even fault him for because I kind of relate to it!). 

Another thing is, medical testing on animals before making new medicines available is a standard practice in real-life. In that way, Will can be considered a villain of circumstance but he is definitely a hypocrite in what he does after adopting Caesar and during his childhood.

Now to your question!:

It is possible Caesar had questions about why Will adopted him at all but he might not have ever had time (or allowed himself) to think about it. The implication of his mother dying there and him later freeing Koba (and other apes) from Gen Sys while Will continued to work there alone may have been enough to give Caesar a pretty good idea of how his mother died and what Will did in that lab and he just didn’t want to go there. 

That said, I could see a scenario where (instead of challenging him) Koba questions Will’s intentions when he adopted Caesar and when Caesar tries to defend him, Koba could have said something among the lines of: “Don’t you see he used you like he used other apes?” leading to Caesar to seriously reflect on his childhood and life with humans.

OR! Caesar randomly finds Will’s other recordings (like the one he was making in Rise when Caesar was a child). Even though Will’s research involving Caesar was documenting a his cognitive growth and development and relating it to his ALZ112/13 drugs, his goal of using said drug to cure Alzheimer’s could (arguably) be considered exploitative-by that I mean, using Caesar as proof that his drug worked, and Caesar is forced to rethink Will’s motives when he adopted and raised him.

Quote Caroline here: “What about Caesar? Where does he fit in?”

This is why I call Will a hypocrite and I think (in either scenario), Caesar will recognize this and be horrified and sickened by it. The fact that Will continued to work at Gen Sys and experiment on apes in cages despite adopting Caesar raising him as his son. Like, how could Will call himself his father when Caesar could’ve easily been killed at Gen Sys or kept in a cage there just like the other apes Will experiments on?

To be clear, I do believe Will loved Caesar. Although he is never seen or heard from since Rise, I can see him trying to protect Caesar even though he chose to live in the forest with the apes he freed during the events of Firestorm: making false reports to keep people from the Muir Woods, telling anyone who would listen that the apes weren’t the cause of the virus, maybe insisting the apes weren’t dangerous and just wanted to be left alone, and so on. These actions likely leading to his death (if he wasn’t killed due to violence, he may have died from the virus). 

The problem is, even if Will did try to protect Caesar up until his death, Caesar had no way of knowing it (unless someone told him about it) and if he ever found out how he treated Koba and other apes in the lab in contrast to how he treated him, Caesar would question everything about his childhood and be left wondering if Will ever truly loved him or if it was all a lie.

TLDR, Will is a hypocrite. If Caesar knew how he treated Koba in the labs, it would disturb him but he may still consider Will a ‘good man’ unless he ever saw how deep his hypocrisy went. Will may be remembered as another abusive human to Koba, but Caesar’s perception of him will change from his father figure to a man who lied to him from the very beginning (and the absolute worst part is Caesar may never know if Will truly loved him or get closure for it).

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Nah, man. Zeus makes better bait than anyone else in this group, alright? Bait role is for Zeus only!!

Hiro's being dark but I know he doesn't actually mean that. 🥲 Jeez guys, did you already forget who's the master at baiting creatures here? (Don't take it wrong.)

Lol- Of course he would say that. Caesar still simping for Liz even after all this time. 🤣 Klaus got to get the group to settle their convos as always.

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College roommates au where Caesar tries to introduce Joseph to the Zeppeli family as his boyfriend and everyone is so oblivious and just like " oh so you're really, really good friends?"

SPOILER PART 7 ? (not really but Gyro and Johnny are mentionned)

Caesar: *tries to explain to Baron Zeppeli the concept of gay people*

Gyro: Wait, isn't it normal between friends? I do those things you said all the time with Johnny!

Caesar: *grunts desperately*

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I’m about to take a shower and I can hear my brother in the living room just got to the wammu and Caesar fight big saaad

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Oh, no! Caesar turn around! You’re friends are about to stab you! Oh, gosh. He can’t hear us. He has in air pods!!!

aaaaaaand he’s dead… at least the man died listening to a bop 

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I am terribly sorry, dear mutuals, but my dumb Roman Empire ass can't tolerate any stabbing Caesar meme anymore.