Uh can you elaborate on your call out on DD? Like you threw a lot of shit at the wall without a single source and I've not heard any of that before. Could you specify on the misinformation part because I haven't seen anyone say that.
The whole post reads like you have personal beef and not an actual argument
You got it. I’ll admit I should have gone about that with a lot more backing it. I’ve never met DD in any capacity, nor do I want to, but my personal issue with them comes from how did was portrayed to me before, during, and after my diagnosis through their YouTube videos and the way they sensationalize and offer clickbait titles to all of their videos.
There are three fantastic videos by a YouTuber called Cringey about the timeline of DissociaDID. The first video starts out as a desire to respond to Nin (host at the time) about the way she handled the allegations against TP and how shady that was. I’ll post the video here along with the timestamps (these timestamps are also a pinned comment by the creator)
Timestamps for part one (these are copied directly from the pinned comment)
Intro: 0:00-2:48
DID definitions and notable DID YouTubers: 2:48-7:24
The Pottergate Center: 7:24-13:08
The University Complex (Nin being denied university re-entry): 7:24-17:58
Misinformation (bad sources and using psychological terminology to sound smarter): 17:58-23:59
The Real Nin (BetterHelp, supporting TeamPiñata + friendship with Bobo): 23:59-47:51
Closing thoughts and reiterating the video’s intent: 47:51-51:35
On the Misinformation section:
Just gonna make a lil transcript for these sections because I feel like the actual words (with time stamps) are more telling than my stupid ass narration.
18:16 starting transcript
Cringey speaking: “In Nin’s video, ‘Schizophrenia and Dissociative Identity Disorder, What’s the Difference? Debunking DID Episode 9,’ she says this.”
DD speaking: “Hallucinations. Hallucinations are hearing or sensing voices that aren’t real or aren’t really there. This could be things other than just voices, so you can see things that aren’t really there, hear things, feel things that aren’t really there, and hallucinations are a symptom that can come with Dissociative Identity Disorder but are very very integral to a diagnosis of schizophrenia.
“So somebody with DID may or may not suffer from hallucinations, but somebody with schizophrenia will DEFINITELY suffer from hallucinations.”
18:58 ending transcript
Cringey corrects this, explaining that only about 70% of people with schizophrenia are reported to have experienced hallucinations, leaving an entire 30% not accounted for in DissociaDID’s quick summary of such a complex condition.
I’m going to cite an NIH article that supports that here.
The literature on hallucinations is reviewed, including its occurrence in different psychiatric disorders, neurological disorders and normal
For this next section, I’ll leave the timestamps for you to watch and just summarize since she rambles a bit.
Starts at 20:45 and ends at 23:44
Cringey discusses the fact that DD doesn’t discuss the limitations of studies conducted in regards to how long ago the study was conducted, the outdated terminology*, and the fact that a lot of these studies, in being so old, are no longer representative of the world now as people are being diagnosed.
Some of these studies come from 1901, over 100 years old, all the ones before 1994 use MPD as the term for DID, and a lot of the names seem to be just copied to make the sources look more credible.
“A lot of these sources are also books with individual studies in them, so if you haven’t heard of did, you’re going to have to spend a lot of time reading these books to find the individual studies, other than just providing the study itself.” Paraphrased from Cringey
*little side note here- they still will put ‘multiple personality disorder’ in their video titles and act like they’re destigmatizing the disorder. Ffs.
There is a part 1.5 where Cringey corrects points that she makes in this first video, along with clarifications and addressing criticisms of it. That’s linked right here:
This video is only 15 minutes and corrects how DissociaDID is pronounced, the university that Cringey references DD attending, how to pronounce betterhelp (English is not her first language), how psychologists can diagnose disorders in the uk, whether or not she’s DissociaDID herself, and the definition of stalking versus using public (mis)information provided by someone you’re criticizing.
I think this little video is mostly correcting semantics but it’s still important because it verifies that Cringey really did a deep dive and the actual misinfo like the way she pronounced names was mainly language based and not someone not doing their due diligence when it comes to research.
If you’re pro self dx then you won’t like Cringey’s takes in this 1.5 video so be sure to take those with a grain of salt.
Okay on to part two that I’ll link here:
More Timestamps (again copied directly from her pinned comment)
Recap of part one: 0:00:00-0:04:52
Table of contents for this video: 0:04:52-0:05:58
In depth study issues and the 1-3% statistic: 0:05:58-0:12:09
Racism + problematic behavior: 0:12:09-0:27:20
(Tw here for domestic abuse in times 0:22:36-0:26:45)
Patreon, fan exploitation, and DissociaDID draws: 0:27:20-0:41:43
Unanswered questions and manipulation: 0:41:43-0:59:42
DIDTubers and their opinions on Nin: 0:59:42-1:16:24
I’d like to point out that the issues with Nadia didn’t go away (the racism part). In DissociaDID’s update video introducing Kya in one of their first few videos back the last time, Kya alludes to bullies forcing Nadia off the internet. That’s not true. Nadia was a racist caricature of an indigenous person that people of color saw issue with.
It doesn’t shock me that you haven’t heard of this before. DissociaDID keeps a tight hold on comments, both on TikTok and YouTube, as to make the audience feel more tight knit. There have been people who have had issues with them since they started their channel. Any criticism that they get, nicely worded or not, is quickly deleted and it’s assumed that it never happened at all. Most recent example I can find was on one of their most recent TikTok videos.
Reddit - Dive into anything
You’ll also notice I didn’t mention the issue of treating fusion like death in these particular sources. This is a criticism by the did community that watches her now, and most of that criticism is found on Reddit. If you don’t want Reddit as a source I don’t blame you, but comprehensive articles aren’t being written about DD, and the subreddit is where people with the condition have come together to discuss why that and so many other takes of theirs have been detrimental to the did community.
But yeah. The videos are long but they’re worth the watch if you want to see criticisms people had and still have 3 years later. My initial post was riddled with emotion and personal bias, and I won’t apologize for the former. DD hurts the community by being in it, and they should not be allowed to be a public figure misrepresenting a disorder that is so debilitating to myself and so many others.
Thanks for reading.
