I genuinely don't know why the hell so many of y'all take problem with DissociaDID- If I don't get given an actual fucking reason (a valid one-) I'm just gonna assume y'all don't know either and are just hating because that's what other people are saying to do.
DissociaDID has helped us so fucking much and one of the main reasons we found out about us being a system so young. Which has been a huge fucking blessing (tho not without downfalls). And they are such kind individuals- So either provide a valid reason as to why you hate them or get the hell off our page and shut the fuck up.
Their DES score is strongly indicative of malingering, if that helps. I don't like them, their content, their support of Remy Aquarone and Pottergate, or the manipulative/parasocial way they interact with their vulnerable audience.
Hello, I was wondering if u could tell me more about the DID youtube stuff and the stuff with DissociaDID, I don't know a lick of any of that, I've only rlly watched The Entropy System, The Rings System and some of DissociaDID's educational videos fairly recently (still new to the online OSDDID community in general), all I've heard is that DissociaDID is anti-endo?
(I use DissociaDID to refer to the system as a whole. They don't have another updated system name that I am aware of.)
Hi, two people brought up something like this in my inbox, and it's worth clarifying. My point was unclear, and I'll do my best to clarify now. In my eyes, DissociaDID has come under a lot of scrunity for concerns that are valid but overblown, standards that others are not held to, ableism/fakeclaiming, and sometimes claims that are bordering on conspiracy. Unfortunately, I was pretty up-to-date on the situation, so I'll make an outline of things people were upset about.
Outdated
- Using racial terms to describe a darker-skinned alter, Nadia, when the body is white. Of my knowledge, this has not happened since. (I am white, so I can't police if you forgive them or not. This is just context.)
- Engagement with Team Piñata*. They're no longer together. End of.
- Overstating their qualifications. DissociaDID no longer states any qualifications other than being a system that does research, basically. Before, it sounded almost like they were claiming to be a mental health professional.
- They partnered with BetterHelp** at one point. They never gave a statement, but they haven't promoted it since.
Disproven/Clarified
- DissociaDID has used *very* outdated studies to support points in their older videos. This is frowned upon in scientific research, where sources become less accurate very quickly (Rule of thumb is use studies no greater than 20 years old). DissociaDID has previously referenced a study from 1902, at worst.
- Many criticise DissociaDID for coming back to YouTube just when their monetization is about to run out.
- Can handle criticism very poorly at times, which people took an issue with, especially when they were proporting themselves as mental health experts.
- Brought a flood of people to the DID community, negative attention included. Many DID YouTubers stopped posting due to the negative attention the DID community received. DissociaDID did not personally cause this, as far as I can tell.
- Diagnosis at Pottergate Center: Even if that diagnosis wasn't valid, they were also diagnosed through the NHS. (Diagnosis is sometimes referred to in ways other than pencil-and-paper diagnosis, too.)
Not sure, but hasn't come up
- Treatment of various friends in the DID community such as Bobo & Co.
General dislike (Up to you)
- Many say they are "sensationalizing" DID, due to their florid presentation (This may also be paired with fakeclaiming)
- Mara's TikTok has come under fire for posting more suggestive content. Soren stands by her right to do so, and checks it before it is posted.
Borderline conspiracy and fakeclaiming
- One system member interacted with a minor on a livestream in a somewhat suggestive manner. (Their account says minors DNI, but people argue they should have been more mindful.)
- Many people get an odd vibe from their content, since it is so polished, and argue that it doesn't reflect the reality of DID since it's so pristine.
- Some find it very odd that they advertise their Patreon with having BTS footage of them dissociating/switching.
- Some people allege DissociaDID made up her alters after reading a certain book regarding programming. Some roles/alter names/inner world details lined up.
*Team Piñata was exposed for drawing minors in inappropriate situations and possibly doing commissions of this content.
- Since DissociaDID has previously mentioned RAMCOA (or a similar term), people who believe that that phrasing is antisemitic, conspiritorial, and/or completely fake don't believe that she is a valid source of DID information
- DissociaDID has been accused of copying their trauma from other systems. The foundation of this theory rests on them malingering DID.
- (Outdated also) People used to theorize Team Piñata and DissociaDID never broke up. It has been a long time since then, and DissociaDID doesn't even mention them by name anymore.
- DissociaDID has been fighting a court battle since 2020 or so and has linked to their CrowdJustice page for a while. People theorized that they were taking the money for themselves instead. DissociaDID has stated that the funds go directly to lawyers and never enter their hands.
**BetterHelp has been criticized for its lack of quality control, especially surrounding uncertified "therapists" to conduct therapy through their service and the unprofessional behavior of therapists using the service.
So that's what I can recall at the moment. Five of the issues are up to personal opinion. Personally, I think DissociaDID has had problems but has a magnifying glass on their behavior for years. If you don't like them, please just leave them alone.
I find myself thinking again on the r/systemscringe post announcing the targeting of public figures. Some of the points I've already responded to. Others are vague enough to not bother with. They think I'm spreading "misinformation" for providing peer-reviewed academic sources that support endogenic plurality. I think they're spreading misinformation for trying to disprove RAMCOA by relying on an ableist Satanist apologist group that doesn't believe dissociative identity disorder is real and wants to throw trauma survivors under the bus in their effort to debunk the Satanic Panic.
(Nothing against Satanism overall. I just don't think Doug Mesner should be treated as a reliable source on psychology.)
It's subjective.
There's little sense in arguing their spin of the facts, as absurd as it may be.
But then, other things aren't subjective. They aren't half-truths. They're just made-up lies.
Like this...
promoted the review-bombing of McLean Hospital
This is something I'm pretty confident never happened.
I looked through some of my old posts about it just to see if I might have reblogged someone calling to review bomb them and couldn't.
I also checked this petition I posted and found nothing about encouraging people to leave bad reviews here:
Petition to Address Ableist and Sanist Content at the ISSTD Conference and McLean Hospital
I suppose it's not impossible that I reblogged something that slipped through the cracks and I forgot about. I mean, this was drama from a year ago they decided to resurrect and if they scoured my blog for reasons to justify attacking me and putting me on their hit list, maybe they found something I forgot.
But I REALLY don't think so.
I don't think I would have pushed for anything like that at the time because, by the time I found about and responded to the harmful video, McLean had already taken steps to remove it from their official Youtube. I had to watch it through a mirror. In my mind, that was admittance that they messed up.
It seems to me that u/Goat_Alter and the other mods of the hate subreddit just decided to accuse anyone who criticized the video and wanted it removed of review bombing. Something which is obviously absurd.
Which makes me wonder then about the other people they accused.
Like I've said before, I've never watched DissociaDID, but I figured maybe other people in the system community did. Does anyone know if DissociaDID ever actually encouraged people to leave false reviews about McLean Hospital because of the video, or are the r/systemscringe mods lying about them too?
Introjects are stuck in a constant catch-22 and it's complete bullshit
No matter what an introject does, or is like, it gets them treated like shit, fakeclaimed, and dehumanized.
Introjects can't simply exist in peace. Systems in general can't, but in some ways it seems like introjects experience a higher intensity, along with introject specific struggles added in.
An introject is similar to their source? Well obviously they're just a kinnie who wants to be like their fav!
An introject is different from source? Oh well then they aren't even trying! -insert person or character- isn't even like that!!!
An introject has a role that is "expected" of an introject from their source? Well of course, typical faker to copy other fakers 🙄
An introject has a role considered unusual for their source? Well they're just trying to be different! It doesn't even make sense for -insert source- to be that!
An introject can and is willing to tell you why they formed? Well that's fake, systems aren't supposed to remember that!!!
An introject isn't willing share or doesn't remember why they formed? Well they must be faking, they couldn't even come up with an excuse for why their "alter" formed
An introject has traumatic source memories (usually formed to cope with bodily trauma, btw)? Well that can't be real, and how disgusting of them to headcanon that happening!!!
An introject doesn't have traumatic source based memories? Fake!!! Alters can't have happy memories like that!!!
An introject has source related neos? Lol they must just be trying to make themselves seem more like them!!!
An introject uses non source related neos or no neos? They're just trying to make themselves look less fake obviously
An introject is open about their source? Oh come on, just say you're a kinnie!!!
An introject doesn't associate with their source? Why even call yourself an introject
Just leave us fucking be. None of these things I listed that introjects can be are inherently signs of faking, or wrong.
-sincerely your local pissed off introject who got so tired of dealing with this shit I stopped being open about being an introject at all
Sorry I've developed a hyperfixation on this D.I.D YouTuber and have watching their shit over and over and over but like:
Imagine Bill didn't die or whatever and still in Stan's head but it became like, a D.I.D situation. He suddenly gets feelings that aren't his like Bill will suddenly remember when killed his dimension and his feelings bleed into Stan's and he's like "woah, where did that come from?" Or he wakes up in places he doesn't remember going to he's like "Lol I'm just old!"
Ford is like "I told you you we were going to the bermuda triangle yesterday, remember?" "You did? I don't remember... weird" and Bill's like "I remember!"
Bill realizes what's going on and he trying to subtlety communicat with Stan by writing on Stans arm when he's fronting things like "I AM STILL HERE!" Stan gets random memories of things that happened but from Bill's prospective. And Stan's just like "Oops must be possed! What's this!?" Than he finds out he's sharing a body with the little Dorito that tried to /kill his family/ and Bill's like "YOU DONT THINK IT'S EASY FOR ME TO BE STUCK IN MY BROTHER IN LAW'S BODY!" And it's just them trying to live as two people.
honest to god im so tired. no matter what your criticisms are of a system online, you should not accuse them of ableist things or demonize their disorder. Or just diagnose people with disorders on the internet.
I have always hated this dumb bitch ass youtuber, and I like DissociaDID, sure they've got into drama and given misinformation the past, but they also went through a lot of severe harassment and hatred that they did not deserve. And this STUPID person is STILL making videos online and they're so unequivocally false that its not even funny.
Like, DissociaDID has LITERALLY SAID MULTIPLE TIMES!!!!!! MULTIPLE TIMES, that do NOT let their littles on their channel, and if it does happen, it's rare. Its really depressing that this dumbass mf makes up lies and distorts the truth about a very popular system in the internet sphere.
Back to the pathological liar thing, ANYONE who uses the term "narcissistic" to mean "bad person" is just an ableist. So, if you see an online denouncing of a popular creator, and they call them a sociopath, a psychopath, a narcissist, etc. thats just a sure fire way to know that they do not know what they are talking about and have taken it into bad faith.
I'm just honestly violently disgusted about this sort of behavior, and it sucks, because I found out that I was a system because of DissociaDID, and the fact that people assume that they're faking because of whatever the fuck is cruel and horrible.
I've been afraid to talk about this because I remember the drama surrounding DissociaDID, but I have never thought that they were lying. You shouldn't ever fakeclaim people on the internet, you don't know their story, you don't know what their life is like, you don't know what they went through.
Horrible ableists like Michelle Mana and other ableist drama youtubers don't deserve to have a platform. Don't support these people, don't watch their videos, don't actively seek them out or comment. It's not worth it.
I just want to bring attention to this specifically, because this horrible person is still making videos on this stuff, and it shows that these ableists do not see people with DID as people. They do not see mentally ill people as people. They do not see those with stigmatized disorders, such as personality disorders, as people. Because otherwise, they would not fakeclaim or see NPD as the worst thing.
No matter what big systems have done, it doesn't mean they deserve to be harassed or attacked on the internet. I don't want to see this shit when I search up a youtuber or creator that I like. I know it's lies, because if it was anything substantial, it would be addressed. But it's the same old shit again.
Fuck ableist content creators, we don't need this sort of blatant bigotry. Don't support this shit, no matter your criticisms of those involved.
Uh can you elaborate on your call out on DD? Like you threw a lot of shit at the wall without a single source and I've not heard any of that before. Could you specify on the misinformation part because I haven't seen anyone say that.
The whole post reads like you have personal beef and not an actual argument
You got it. I’ll admit I should have gone about that with a lot more backing it. I’ve never met DD in any capacity, nor do I want to, but my personal issue with them comes from how did was portrayed to me before, during, and after my diagnosis through their YouTube videos and the way they sensationalize and offer clickbait titles to all of their videos.
There are three fantastic videos by a YouTuber called Cringey about the timeline of DissociaDID. The first video starts out as a desire to respond to Nin (host at the time) about the way she handled the allegations against TP and how shady that was. I’ll post the video here along with the timestamps (these timestamps are also a pinned comment by the creator)
Timestamps for part one (these are copied directly from the pinned comment)
Intro: 0:00-2:48
DID definitions and notable DID YouTubers: 2:48-7:24
The Pottergate Center: 7:24-13:08
The University Complex (Nin being denied university re-entry): 7:24-17:58
Misinformation (bad sources and using psychological terminology to sound smarter): 17:58-23:59
The Real Nin (BetterHelp, supporting TeamPiñata + friendship with Bobo): 23:59-47:51
Closing thoughts and reiterating the video’s intent: 47:51-51:35
On the Misinformation section:
Just gonna make a lil transcript for these sections because I feel like the actual words (with time stamps) are more telling than my stupid ass narration.
18:16 starting transcript
Cringey speaking: “In Nin’s video, ‘Schizophrenia and Dissociative Identity Disorder, What’s the Difference? Debunking DID Episode 9,’ she says this.”
DD speaking: “Hallucinations. Hallucinations are hearing or sensing voices that aren’t real or aren’t really there. This could be things other than just voices, so you can see things that aren’t really there, hear things, feel things that aren’t really there, and hallucinations are a symptom that can come with Dissociative Identity Disorder but are very very integral to a diagnosis of schizophrenia.
“So somebody with DID may or may not suffer from hallucinations, but somebody with schizophrenia will DEFINITELY suffer from hallucinations.”
18:58 ending transcript
Cringey corrects this, explaining that only about 70% of people with schizophrenia are reported to have experienced hallucinations, leaving an entire 30% not accounted for in DissociaDID’s quick summary of such a complex condition.
I’m going to cite an NIH article that supports that here.
The literature on hallucinations is reviewed, including its occurrence in different psychiatric disorders, neurological disorders and normal
For this next section, I’ll leave the timestamps for you to watch and just summarize since she rambles a bit.
Starts at 20:45 and ends at 23:44
Cringey discusses the fact that DD doesn’t discuss the limitations of studies conducted in regards to how long ago the study was conducted, the outdated terminology*, and the fact that a lot of these studies, in being so old, are no longer representative of the world now as people are being diagnosed.
Some of these studies come from 1901, over 100 years old, all the ones before 1994 use MPD as the term for DID, and a lot of the names seem to be just copied to make the sources look more credible.
“A lot of these sources are also books with individual studies in them, so if you haven’t heard of did, you’re going to have to spend a lot of time reading these books to find the individual studies, other than just providing the study itself.” Paraphrased from Cringey
*little side note here- they still will put ‘multiple personality disorder’ in their video titles and act like they’re destigmatizing the disorder. Ffs.
There is a part 1.5 where Cringey corrects points that she makes in this first video, along with clarifications and addressing criticisms of it. That’s linked right here:
This video is only 15 minutes and corrects how DissociaDID is pronounced, the university that Cringey references DD attending, how to pronounce betterhelp (English is not her first language), how psychologists can diagnose disorders in the uk, whether or not she’s DissociaDID herself, and the definition of stalking versus using public (mis)information provided by someone you’re criticizing.
I think this little video is mostly correcting semantics but it’s still important because it verifies that Cringey really did a deep dive and the actual misinfo like the way she pronounced names was mainly language based and not someone not doing their due diligence when it comes to research.
If you’re pro self dx then you won’t like Cringey’s takes in this 1.5 video so be sure to take those with a grain of salt.
Okay on to part two that I’ll link here:
More Timestamps (again copied directly from her pinned comment)
Recap of part one: 0:00:00-0:04:52
Table of contents for this video: 0:04:52-0:05:58
In depth study issues and the 1-3% statistic: 0:05:58-0:12:09
Racism + problematic behavior: 0:12:09-0:27:20
(Tw here for domestic abuse in times 0:22:36-0:26:45)
Patreon, fan exploitation, and DissociaDID draws: 0:27:20-0:41:43
Unanswered questions and manipulation: 0:41:43-0:59:42
DIDTubers and their opinions on Nin: 0:59:42-1:16:24
I’d like to point out that the issues with Nadia didn’t go away (the racism part). In DissociaDID’s update video introducing Kya in one of their first few videos back the last time, Kya alludes to bullies forcing Nadia off the internet. That’s not true. Nadia was a racist caricature of an indigenous person that people of color saw issue with.
It doesn’t shock me that you haven’t heard of this before. DissociaDID keeps a tight hold on comments, both on TikTok and YouTube, as to make the audience feel more tight knit. There have been people who have had issues with them since they started their channel. Any criticism that they get, nicely worded or not, is quickly deleted and it’s assumed that it never happened at all. Most recent example I can find was on one of their most recent TikTok videos.
Reddit - Dive into anything
You’ll also notice I didn’t mention the issue of treating fusion like death in these particular sources. This is a criticism by the did community that watches her now, and most of that criticism is found on Reddit. If you don’t want Reddit as a source I don’t blame you, but comprehensive articles aren’t being written about DD, and the subreddit is where people with the condition have come together to discuss why that and so many other takes of theirs have been detrimental to the did community.
But yeah. The videos are long but they’re worth the watch if you want to see criticisms people had and still have 3 years later. My initial post was riddled with emotion and personal bias, and I won’t apologize for the former. DD hurts the community by being in it, and they should not be allowed to be a public figure misrepresenting a disorder that is so debilitating to myself and so many others.
