I'm not sure what you're saying. Are you saying you'd be in favor of the British Whigs because they were against trade with France? I was saying you'd be in favor of them because they were in favor of free trade. And this matters because they, in their similarities with the Girondins (just like the Democratic Republicans), defined the origins of the left. Henry Clay's American System effectively amounts to the Federalist ideology, so I'm not sure how you can advocate for that over Jackson’s position (especially while claiming to be a Jeffersonian democratic republican). Jefferson Davis was seen in the same monarchistic light, however, there is no denying the tendency towards hierarchy, imperialism, and authority on both sides of the civil war.
“I believe certain values vary too often to be considered political ideologies. And there are certain differences in what egalitarianism means today that goes for the traditionalist classic right as well, which had its fair share of differing values.“
But clearly, despite the way leftist values are represented by a political system (and they’re usually represented by democratic republics in one form or another), egalitarianism and liberalism are common to both classical liberals and modern liberals (both of whom are leftist). Just because you cannot see the common values that have defined both ends of the spectrum doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Why don’t you try to prove that the right as I define it didn’t have the consistent values I’ve noted? Or at least prove how the values I’ve pointed out weren’t consistent within what I regard as the right. So far you’ve offered no rebuttal whatsoever to the values I’ve noted are consisted of what I regard as being the true right, nor have you pointed out any inconsistencies in the political systems I’ve associated with what I define to be the right (namely autocratic and elitist systems). Your inability to look at the system of ethics and political philosophies which underlie certain ideologies attests to just how thick-skulled you really are.
“I’ve seen both a horseshoe spectrum as well as traditional linear spectrums labeling today’s right vs left dichotomy with fascism on the right and communism on the left. This is preposterous considering fascism was born of Marxist collectivism and still was collectivist totalitarianism in the end.“
As I’ve explained, Fascism came to reject Marxism (there is a whole section in the doctrine devoted to this), and it came to identify with the origins of the right. It also rejected the very values that defined Liberalism and Marxism alike (namely freedom and equality). Marxism ultimately strived towards anarchistic ends even though it was prepared to use statist means as well as libertarian means to accomplish this.
Here are a few quotes by Mussolini and Gentile about the true right btw:
“Our Italian nationalism was less literary and more political in character than the similar movement in France, because with us it was attached to the old historic Right which had a long political tradition.”
– Gentile, The Philosophical Basis of Fascism
“Granted that the XIXth century was the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy, this does not mean that the XXth century must also be the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy. Political doctrines pass; nations remain. We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the ” right “, a Fascist century.””
– Mussolini & Gentile, The Doctrine of Fascism
(I have more quotes if you’d like btw, you only need ask)
Sadly bluebloodedweimerica (@redbloodedamerica), collectivist totalitarianism is more common to the right in terms of its origins, not its redefinitions. Stop trying to rewrite history, tradition, and heritage in favor of your weak ideology. The political spectrum did not come out of the cold war in case you didn’t know... And while you may call me a modern leftist, you’re just not a traditional rightist. The truth is that I don’t appeal to egalitarian or liberal values in any way like you or any of the other leftists out there. While the left may contradict its values, just as the Democratic Republicans did under Madison, like the Revolutionaries did in France under the Girondins, or like the Marxists did under Lenin and Stalin, the right stands forthright in its commitment to elitism, imperialism, and authority.
Anyways, unlike you I don’t really care for freedom of speech and would rather not spam my page with your boomer bullshit. I, on the other hand, have no problem manipulating your weak, liberal tendency to stand up for freedom of speech by spamming your blog with informed hatred. I’m making an exception now because you refuse to show everyone just how well libertarian discourse prevails amidst open discussion. Hope you like the punch from the far right!
