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This is directly from Karen Traviss’ mouth when it comes to the Jedi……………………………….. and then she turns around and basically says that they deserve a genocide for something that again is pointed out, wasn’t their choice. Again, I want to smack this woman and go “lady. What part of none of them had no choice do you not understand? Also, why the hell are you rooting for a genocide? No one deserves a genocide.”
I am on,,, a horribly strong Clones As Dads kick?? Any chance for some HCs as the Delta Squad boys (or if not all of em, just Sev or Boss?) as dad's?? How are they with preggo/new parent!Reader? I'd LOVE to see your take!! Your writing is amazing!! 💕💖
Thank you so much!!!
Notes: I did Dad!Sev headcanons here! But I wrote that a little bit ago, this one goes into more detail and such. I’m gonna do dad headcanons for all of the boys in this one!
Also! This is all once the war over, where everyone is FINE AND HAPPY!!!! If you want headcanons where they have the baby during the war go check out my Dad!Sev headcanons.
The Delta Squad Boys as fathers headcanons!
Except nowhere, not even legends indicated that was the case. And in Star Wars, the clone wars, the highest form of canon at the time and now the only remaining part of that tiered system made it abundantly clear that the Jedi did not treat them like that. I don’t know. I wouldn’t trust the workings of an author who said that she cheered when order 66 a genocide happened….. considering that even in the Star Wars republic comic one of the darker entries at the time, they were perfectly fine with clones getting names. And tried to save the clones when a contingency plan meant that they would blow up newly batched clones just because of the possibility of them being captured. Three Jedi, who supposedly “don’t care about the clones.” Had to convince Alpha 17 who was a clone to not do that. So yeah, and legends and Cannon that was never the case, except for Karen Travis is stupid world where she deliberately misunderstood Jedi theology and methodology just to fit her stupid viewpoint. And from what I’m hearing now of commando units, in particular special force units and how they treat women all I have to say is this let me get a straight Traviss you take a highly misogynistic place of work and perpetuate the misogynistic stereotypes because reasons? It’s a crappy thing for a woman to do to your fellow ladies.
Who said that? Karen Traviss, the author of the Republic commando series. She literally referred to them as spoon bending elite and basically said that order 66 served them right. I can’t stress enough about how I am against genocide real or fictional because it’s just not right.
Did I happen to mention that I do not like the Republic commando book series? Now the thing that I dislike aside for the obvious prejudice and racism and misogyny and ableism that permeates the book is the fact that it’s just so misinformed. And the thing is is that the author is intentionally misinformed.
Now this could’ve been an interesting story of someone with a radically stupid world view mind you in universe, but a different world nonetheless coming into contact with people who have a different world view and could’ve been good with someone who just has a weird viewpoint and an unreliable narrator. But nope. We’re supposed to take this guy seriously and take his word as gospel, even though he is demonstratively wrong.
And what’s worse is that the author constantly dismisses his emotional abuse as “being a good father.“ I don’t wanna know what kind of relationship the author had with her father because if that’s the kind of relationship that she and her father had…because it’s emotionally abusive.
Also what’s infuriating about this is the fact that there are moments tiny moments where it’s almost like her characters become self aware of how messed up it is, but they aren’t given enough screen time or they instantly shut down by non-arguments. So it’s almost like a part of the author is aware that this viewpoint is messed up, but refuses to let it go because it interferes with her fantasy. Again, if this was written by an unreliable narrator with a Jedi who has the facts to balance it out, it would’ve been interesting if a bit infuriating from a pro Jedi perspective. As is? It is a mess of prejudices, misinformation, and propaganda on the part of the author. In short, this would be good material for the Imperials to use as propaganda.
Noticed that he is making it about himself and not the about the feelings of the clones in the “safe space“ for the clones. None of the clone troopers are speaking up on their own about their feelings. It’s just Skirata blustering about his and he’s not a clone. And again he is literally looking at someone who is suffering from a genocide of his people and saying that they are cowardly and “whining”. Again it’s a good thing that another Jedi survivor Kanen or Cal or Ahsoka or Reva or Obi-Wan and that’s in canon can you imagine some of the elders from legends like K’Krunk instead of that one as passive as this character is made out to be isn’t there because Skirata would be lucky if he had a face by the end of it.
And all of these others, he is making it about himself. None of it is about the clones. It’s about how he feels about it. And by the way, this clone trooper named Maze chose of his own free will to do the right thing because he knew it was right. Maze even calls him out on it. Unfortunately, this thing is never brought up again and Maze is just kind of forgotten about because he was spouting too close to the truth.
I mean, the part that gets me is this specially when he looks at Maze and says “please don’t tell me you did it out of the sense of loyalty.” Like the Jedi didn’t put their lives on the line constantly for the clones Pong Krell as an exception.
Compare that to the Bad Batch when they talk about what's going on with the Jedi. In that show it's made clear that the Batch would willing help out the Jedi because we're shown them taking one to safety. Not once is that youngling made to feel guilty about their people's genocide. Quite the contrary. So yes canon handled this way better then this alternative Traviss verse. Even Legends with its own issues handled it rather well.
“Let’s not be too hasty. We know where their bolt-holes are, and with a little ingenuity we can track their movements. They step out of line—the Empire gets a treasure map with here be Jedi on it.” (501st)
May I remind you that basically Jaing and by extension the Nulls are saying that if somebody doesn’t “get in line” ie Jedi that they are going to point the empire their way and basically be OK with a genocide happening on their watch and by their hand. Again, these are the people that the narrative think is OK to root for. I want to jump into that scene and start hitting them with very blunt instruments and giving them blunt force trauma while screaming that you don’t do that to people suffering a genocide.
"So how do we justify what we are doing now? Breeding men without choice, and without freedom, to fight and die for us? When do the means justify the end? Where is our society heading? What are our ideals, and what are we without them? If we give in to expedience this way, where do we draw the line between ourselves and those we find unacceptably evil? I have no answer, Master. Do you?"
Padawan Bardan Jusik to the Jedi Council
Okay break down time
1. "So how do we justify what we are doing now? Breeding men without choice, and without freedom, to fight and die for us?" They didn't. The Sith instigated that........The Jedi know this. Jusik did you just ignore history? Or for that matter the entirity of Obi-Wan's mission. Oh right she hates Obi....
2. "When do the means justify the end? Where is our society heading? What are our ideals, and what are we without them? If we give in to expedience this way, where do we draw the line between ourselves and those we find unacceptably evil? I have no answer, Master. Do you?" Funny considering later on your fine with an abuser and someone who murders civilians for expediency.........Yeah shut up Jusik.
