#reylo speculation

[the1northlanderprincess]

Kylo in the hangar

Okay, so, this probably will get debunked in no time, but I have thoughts on what Kylo’s expression could mean in the new pic from Empire. 

Many of us are thinking that the stormtroopers are being blown back from a ship, while Kylo is using the force to hold ground, and the ship in question is the Falcon. The key pieces in this capture are Kylo’s expression and the fact he is holding his helmet. First, I want to talk about his face. 

It’s incredibly intense, right? Whatever it is he’s looking at has his complete attention. Looking at it from a normal viewpoint, he appears kind of mad. But when I look closer, especially at his mouth, it’s soft. I mean, yeah, it’s a bit of a frown. But it’s not a really threatening, “darn it, they got away...HOW DARE THEY!” expression. He seems calm, almost like he’s OK with it. Well, that might not be the right sentiment. It’s a very....wistful expression. It’s like one of those instances in an action movie where someone leaves in a hurry before the group of bad guys giving chase can get them, and then a person of importance comes up among them, not saying anything, and just watches that person make their getaway, all the while they have a personal connection to that individual.

This is where I’d like to talk about the mask in his hand. Say that this is the MF leaving in a hurry. Perhaps Rey is aboard. Now this still came with an interview of Chris Terrio, who said that there is a “nakedness” Kylo has with Rey when his mask is off that isn’t there with anyone else. Most of the time we see him with his mask off, it’s around her. I’m suspecting that this pic is a moment early in the movie where we first see his face. And, if I’m right, maybe he has come into the hangar coming to see what all is going on as the Supreme Leader, but realizes that Rey is there, and the mask comes off to tell us as much. It is never an accident when Kylo takes off his mask. They want us to know what he is feeling in the moment. And, the very first time he did, it was in front of Rey. In the above pic, it is plausible to me that his mask is off here to inform us that he knows Rey is in the same space as he is; wants to catch a glimpse of the woman he loves and is feeling a little forlorn that she is leaving.

That is the hope, at least.

[spacewolfqueen]

I just watched Kevin Smith’s reaction video to the final trailer for The Rise of Skywalker. He said that he was on set and people were telling him to go look at a set they’d just shot on because it was amazing. He asked JJ about it and JJ said he could but JJ thought Kevin should wait to see it in the theater because it’s the final shot of the movie. And I’m thinking what could be so impressive and an obvious ending that you know the ending from the set: a wedding.

I could totally be wrong but...

[sachidiva]

“The belonging you seek is not behind. It is ahead.”

“I’ll come back for you sweetheart.”

Ben is coming back from whatever astral plane he’s in now to return to her. That’s my head canon.

I think a better ending would be Rey searching the galaxy for him. It would have made a nice juxtaposition with her former state of waiting for family. IF they wanted to do the “Kylo’s dead thing”

He should have been ALIVE but I digress.....

[kylorendustries]

My TROS Theory....

Ok so I recently watched ROTS and ROTJ and what if the major showdown with Palpy mirrors these scenes? Keep in mind I’m not sure what form Palpy takes on, so for the sake of the scene, it’s Palpy in the flesh:

ROTS:

Mace Windu tries to end Palpy and Palpy begs to be spared. He claims that “the Jedi don’t kill” and appeals to Anakin’s fear of losing Padme. Because of this, Anakin kills Windu and saves Palpy.

ROTJ:

Palpy taunts Luke and encouraged Luke to Kill him. When he refuses, Palpy tries to BBQ Luke and Vader steps in to save his son by yeeting Palpy.

TROS Prediction:

Rey and Ben have teamed up to take on Palpy and his cronies. I believe the fighting will end up with Palpy attempting to deliver a killing blow to Ben.

However, Rey somehow manages to save Ben from death by taking the blow herself but also hurting Palpy and slowing him down too.

As she is dying, Ben is horrified and holding her. She looks determined and says, “Ben, you know what you have to do.” Ben responds, “I can’t do this alone.” Rey smiles and responds, “you’re not alone.” With that, Ben nods and rises to face Palpy.

Palpy starts trying to appeal to Ben’s emotions. “You can save her. I can show you how.” It’s not working. Somehow Rey’s dying has only made Ben more resolved. Finally, when Palpy realizes what’s coming to him, he says, “the Jedi don’t kill! It is not the Jedi way.”

Ben pauses for a second and then says, “you’re so right. But I’m not a Jedi. I’m a Skywalker.” And kills Palpy once and for all.

Ben runs back over to Rey (in my head she’s barely alive) and either on his own or with the help of the force ghosts, is able to heal her and bring her back.

Why I like this idea:

I think Ben killing Palpy for the right reason would follow along this idea that the Jedi weren’t right about everything and that balance can be achieved by acknowledging failures of the past and growing beyond them.

Having Rey make the sacrifice that would empower Ben to do what is needed is just a neat idea to me. The idea of saving what you love and not fighting what you hate would make for a beautiful scene. Of course, I’d only allow something so tragic if he is able to keep her from dying or resurrect her. Because she’s my fav.

Ben not only would have finished what Vader started but it would also prove that he was stronger than Darth Vader by being able to defeat Palpy and save Rey from death.

Anyway, I just like brainstorming ideas. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk!

[thebigreylotheory]

This Kiss...

Well, only a few more days until we know if a Reylo kiss can be rated one the most passionate, the most pure since the invention of the kiss...

[just-trash-for-ships]

Oooh how interesting...

Both of their red lightsabers are unsteady...hmmm

Gifs not mine

[delia-pavorum]

I’m not particularly inclined to believe this interpretation, but the most generous interpretation of her comment is that she believes Reylo to be a ship about getting Rey and Kylo to hook up in the here and now, like Rey will magically be OK with him as Supreme Leader or something like that. I don’t think that’s the case—I don’t think Reylo is happening, not anymore—but if you wanted to spin her words a certain way for self-soothing purposes, this is how one could see it.

I mean, I guess, but I don’t think it’s that complicated - in her mind or in reality. And anyway, it just came out that she’d answered another interviewer’s Q about Kylo and Rey’s relationship “evolving” - “as it had in the previous two films” - and “continues to evolve” in TROS. 

Guys. In case I haven’t made it abundantly clear: I’m not worried. 

[clairen45]

Hey, fantastic job with your metas! I don't know if you've already posted a thorough article on what you expect or think IX will be, but I'd love to read what you have to say about the probable storyline you think is going to happen; personally, I'm having a hard time believing the Reylo arc can be completed in just another movie, let alone the arcs of the three trilogies; what would be left for the next trilogy they're already working on? What do you think? Tks again!

Dear Anon,

thank you for being so encouraging, it is always nice to hear! And thanks for the ask. It took me a little while to answer you (sorry about that) because I was wondering what I could really tell you. I usually try to avoid speculations because, well, I would not say it is my forte, I am not the best at making bets… And, honestly, there is a lot of stuff that could go whatever… BUT…. There are some things I think we can count on, and some things we may expect. And some others (not necessarily groundbreaking) that we could also see them explore or hint at, when looking at the material they have given us so far. Again, I will not bet on anything…Disclaimer, guys!

What we can count on:

Ben’s redemption (yep), last Skywalker standing, guys…. This is my final world, and I have no doubt about that. 

More Force bonds. Because they are awesome!

Reylo as endgame. So…Reylo kiss/ Reylo sex (don’t expect porn, you guys, a lot of great fanfic readers are very kindly providing that)… Probably off screen then (but a girl can dream on something tactful and romantic, the kids will be watching so obviously…)

TFA was Kylo and Rey fighting each other… TLJ is them fighting together. Episode IX should be them fighting for each other… You can’t convince me otherwise.

The MF… It has been key in the ST… Home… Bringing Ben home, or Rey and Ben leaving together at the end. Or Ben piloting the Falcon to do something important…

New saber for Rey… duh

A coup by Hux. Obviously. Rabid cur anyone? Division among the First Order.

Brace yourself: death of our heroes. One or the two of them. Litteral death of one of them, but the other resurrects it through love and use of the Force. Or symbolic death of one or the two of them, through imagery or suspense (we think they are dead but they are not). This is classic myth/fairy tale. It has to happen for them to complete their growth and journey. There is no other way around it. But it can happen many different ways… Don’t fret. I am expecting them to be alive and well at the end.

Balance of the Force… see the quotation from Journal of the Whills: grey Jedi.

Overarching theme for the saga and ST: “you win by saving what you love, not killing what you hate”/ Fairy tale morale/ Dante’s Divine Comedy… Need I say more?

What we can logically expect (as a continuation, or because they have hinted at it, or because that is what they do)

Porgs!!!! Anything with eggs, nesting… too many aviary and bird references in the ST movies and novelizations to overlook

Maz Kenata.. playing some part… or just a cameo. Or finally delivering some answer or advice…

Battles… with ships… in space. And on land… LOL

Leia’s death and/or funeral… Except if they recast her, but oh well… Han’s funeral was in the novelization for TLJ. We need a funeral anyways in the last installment. Padmé in the PT, Vader in the OT… We are bound to get a funeral in the ST. Leia seems like the logical choice. Multiple possibilities: fairly early on, and then you have Kylo trying to show up or sharing with Rey after it and it can play a part in bringing them together. Or at the end, and it is the funeral that brings the galaxy together and it helps everyone mourn their lost and loved ones. Padmé’s was the funeral that marked the end of unity, Leia’s could be the one that brings everyone together. With Rey and Kylo together behind the coffin, or putting a torch to the pyre, hand in hand, as chief mourners.

Division in the Resistance? As a parallel to the First Order’s inner divisions? Would seem logical. I could see Poe struggle as a leader. Or Rey not being comfortable with everything about the Resistance, especially when it comes to Kylo. Rey still needs to figure out where she belongs… She belongs with Kylo. So, she might have issues finding her place in the Resistance. Just as he will not be happy with the First Order as seen by Hux.

Stormtrooper rising. They have focused more on the extra material about the human face of the Empire. See Claudia Gray’s Lost Stars, and the Junior novelization of TFA. Deleted scene of TLJ. Yes, Finn might not just be a bug in the system, it may be the first sign of more to come. Along with the division within the First Order, there may be stormtroopers rebelling and deciding between Kylo and Hux. Plus it gives Finn the chance to shine bright as the one who reaches out to dissident stormtroopers.

Use of the Jedi texts: they can’t have been stolen for no reason.

More FinnRose.

Kylo as good leader/benevolent emperor.

A Force ghost. I wonder if we will get a ROTJ type of ending with all our ghosts gently beaming… Or if they will just pop in to comment Rey and/or Kylo’s actions. We had them in the OT obviously. Not so much in the PT where Qui-Gon could have made an appearance/apparition… It is actually weird he didn’t but maybe Liam Neeson was not interested, who knows?

The ending should be on a lush planet. To symbolize rebirth, renewal, fertility, and the return to Paradise. And as a counterpoint to the ending of PT on Mustafar/Hell.

We might have the return of other known systems, Naboo or Mustafar, but I would really love to see Chandrila featured. It has been heavily featured in the extra material for the ST: in Last Shot, Leia Princess of Alderaan, and Aftermath series. We have seen Jakku, Rey’s birthplace, it would be logical and expected to see Chandrila, birthplace of Kylo. Also, don’t you think it eerily looks like Earth?

A nod to Padmé is overdue. Poor Padmé. Her part was already butchered in the PT. She is vaguely alluded to in the OT… It would be nice to see her somewhere in the ST. Extra material has been alluding and hinting at her…

Someone finding about Rey and Kylo’s force bond and special relationship and being shocked. I am imagining Rose or Finn. Either they keep her secret but call her out on it. Or they betray her secret, for her own good as they see it, and that prompts Rey to dramatically choose to defend Kylo. I have a head canon on BB8 playing a part in all that (catching them during a meeting and playing the holo of their tryst, for example… LOL)

Something that I desperately want to see but am unsure of… the overdue “I’ll come back for you sweetheart, I promise”, that is SO overdue and that is so important in the novelization of the movies, especially in the TLJ Junior version. I think I will pass out from excitement if I finally hear Kylo utter that line (which I deeply believe in).

THAT scene from Rey’s Force vision in TFA. Because, WTF, JJ, you started that now you finish it!

So possibly the elusive Knights of Ren?

Ok, I am sure I am forgetting some stuff. But, this is my piece for now. I hope that answers your questions. Please let me know your thoughts… Sorry it took so long! As for your question about completing it in one movie, well… @taule was telling me that she had heard people speculating they might make more… I would love it, of course, but they did say that ix was supposed to wrap up and tie in the whole Skywalker saga… Do not worry anyways,  because you can count on books, novels, comics, and animation to keep Kylo, Rey, and all their buddies alive and well for quite a while. I am predicting LOTS, TONS OF Kylo’s stuff once they are done with ix and can finally stop pretending about the redemption and survival of their character.

@raven-maiden, @toawaterfowl, @lightaroundthecorner My elves accepted to finally open one letter and get their act together to answer an anon that has been nice all year! LOL