#s8 speculations

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Book foreshadowings hinting at Tyrion loosing his tongue ?

I see this theory being discussed since a few days by my mutuals on twitter, that maybe Tyrion could have his tongue cut in s8, so I've been curious and I decided to check the books. I entered "Tyrion" + "tongue" in asearchoficeandfire and it been interesting. Most of the results were people telling Tyrion he had a bold tongue, or Tyrion having to bit his tongue or hold his tongue back not to say certain things to certain persons... And there were also those the three following quotes :

(A Clash of Kings - Tyrion III) "A folly," sighed Tyrion. "When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say."

(A Storm of Swords - Sansa III) "I did, Your Grace," said Tyrion, "but only because I envied your royal manhood. Mine own is so small and stunted." His face twisted into a leer. "And if you take my tongue, you will leave me no way at all to pleasure this sweet wife you gave me."

(A Storm of Swords - Tyrion VI) "You have a certain cunning, Tyrion, but the plain truth is you talk too much. That loose tongue of yours will be your undoing."

Thoughts ?

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What is the likelihood Cersei has her baby? The witch promised her three children, so where does this child fit in? What is the significance? Especially as it pertains to the continuing insistence that a targbaby will appear?

There won’t be any baby (at least not from Cersei or D). The two pregnancies hinted at last season are both huge red herrings… Both Cersei and D had been predicted by a maegi they would not have children anymore, so how would one beat her prophecy and not the other ? 

Cersei still drinks, she’s ruling in times of war ; add to that her age, and that is not ideal conditions for a pregnancy to carry to terms. D is heavily inbreed (her mother had a lot of miscarriages and/or stillborn and/or disformed child dying really young…), the potential embryo/fetus will be really inbreed too (her and Jon share as much DNA as full blood siblings thanks to 300 years of Targ inbreeding… Jon could have healthy children with any westerosi woman, but D ? I highly doubt it) her previous pregnancy - which happened to her while she was way too young - left her too damaged to carry another child (Henri VI’s mother had him when she was 13, the birth almost killed her and left unable to have other children), and she keeps getting herself into dangerous situations (horse riding is already ill-advised when you’re pregnant, so riding DRAGONS…). I think Cersei will miscarries, and I mostly think D will either have a “fantom” pregnacy, or a pregnancy hope (more of a pregnancy scare for Jon-I-Will-Father-No-Bastard-Snow). 

I also recently read a theory on Quora (here), about how if there is a pregnancy, D would sacrifice her child to bring more dragons… like it would be Rhaego/Shadow Baby 2.0, but at a worse level.

Maybe D will be pregnant too, but just like Cersei, no living child will result in it.

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Alright kiddos, can you link me some good metas about how Bran will destroy the Night King and save the world ? :)

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Do you thinkDany will insist on staying in the Lord's Chamber or walk in uninvited cause she think it's Jon's room only to find Sansa there? I read a fanfic where she found her bathing in her 'brother's' room and was immediately more suspicious of their 'tense' relationship. I just feel like Dany's not going to like anything that involves Sansa. She'll probably rise a fuss as the fact that Sansa always sits on Jon's right which is where a wife/queen consort sits beside her husband/king.

I don’t think she’ll try to get the Lord’s chamber, she is a guest, she is trying to get the North to like her, so I don’t really see her doing requests of this kind - moreover, when King Robert came to WF Ned and Cat didn’t give him the Lord’s chamber. However, the partnership of Jon and Sansa, the fact that she owns the Lord’s chamber and the title of Lady of WF, usually being given to the KitN/Warden’s wife…. will raise a few eyebrows for sure. If they had Jon and Sansa talking about who should take that room, then Arya talking about it again, I imagine it will be brought back again.

And yes, I don’t think D will like anything Sansa related. Even if Jon and Sansa ends up being platonic, they still have a close relationship, Jon values Sansa’s opinion on political matters, and his family ALWAYS come first. D never been used to this, all of her followers don’t have a family, are alone… But not Jon.

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Okay, I don't like D, but if she doesn't have a claim to the IT because her father was overthrown, then neither does Jon. I'm kinda tired of the "he's the rightful heir" from the same people who continuously pointed out Aerys' family was overthrown. Again, I never thought D had a claim to the IT, but neither does Jon then.

I don’t disagree, tbh. But D certainly doesn’t see it that way, for her, the T*rg are still entitled to rule, so it’ll still a cause of rift Jon having a claim or not. I think there are still a few T*rg loyalists in Westeros… Maybe they’d be likely to support Rhaegar’s son rather than Rhaegar’s sister - especially after said sister showed some tendencies to burning people alive like her daddy used too… Maybe they’d rather support Rhaegar’s son because he is also Ned Stark’s nephew. Or maybe they’ll straight up reject both of them because their alliance so far only contributed in destroying the wall and allowing the army of the dead to enter the realm.

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Is there any logical, sound reasoning why Bran wasn't in the teaser with the others? I've seen a lot of jokes about it, but nothing that might explain why he wasn't there.

Some other bloggers suggested it was because this teaser was meant to make parallels between the past and current generations of Stark (Lyanna = Arya ; Ned = Jon ; Catelyn = Sansa), and Bran doesn’t parallel the past generation. I quite agree. 

On another note, the access to WF crypts might not be the best when you are disabled…

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I remember the beach scene where the Dothraki warrior, Qhono (?) took Longclaw from Jon, and how our KITN was PISSED, and I really think he meant cause some trouble in S8, particularly relating to Sansa. Dothraki men see nothing wrong with raping foreign women, so it's likely that at least one of them will try to rape a Northern woman, especially a high-born Northern woman. Sansa's is the most powerful woman in the North. If that happens, Jon and Ghost both will try the SOB to shreds.

D certainly won’t be able to stop her blood riders from doing what they have done their entire lives (pillaging + raping)… not sure if Sansa would be one of the women they might attempt to touch (I’d rather not, since she’s probably going to be abducted by Cersei too it’d be too much…) but since we had war crimes committed by both Lannister and Stark soldiers showed in past seasons I think we might see this being played again. Since the Northerners are already really weary of those summer armies brought by the foreign invader, it’ll add more tensions and dramas…

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Do you think that Dany will try to make Sansa and Tyrion get married again? I think she'd see that as a way to keep to her Hand under her thumb by giving him WF and keep Sansa away from Jon. Of course, if she even suggested the idea to her lover-boy he'd threaten to rip out Tyrion's tongue and do worse to her...

I’m not really sure tbh. Tyrion being married to the heir of the current/former king/warden of the North potentially make a great political figure who could try to overthrow D, since miss D is getting a bit paranoid lately… However I can totally picture D trying to arrange a wedding for Sansa when she’ll grow annoyed of Jon staring at her and sighing too often while doing so