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Will you support Satoshi's journey in Alola in whatever?
Yeah, most certainly.
As long as there’s proper work and loving on his Pokemon, really being empathetic and bonding with them to warrant their strength and evolutions rather “HERPDERP I’M SO INSPIRATIONAL, LOOK AT MY SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE FROG!1111Hype1111″
The Acts HAD to cross over into the main anime though otherwise how was the TF arc meant to progress and the writers probably planned out Alan being the one to defeat Satoshi at the league BEFORE even the first Act was written
I’m not sure if Alan was meant to be this league’s dream killer from the first day we saw him, if he was I do think the badge collecting would have been done way early on and they would have had the two actually have some type of non-battle related dynamic beforehand. It really did seem like something very last minute to be honest, because all the rivals and opposition present in XY were all feeble and unconvincing because every time Satoshi fought then they just had to all lose to him. I blame it mostly on the idiotic trend of the writers wanting Satoshi to win everything in XY to be honest. Serena more or less had a similar issue, only ever losing any TriPokalon through flukes and not because she got outdone.
I mainly wish the Acts didn’t cross into the anime and the Flare plot stayed contained to he Acts because it really makes fans act too fucking obnoxious, especially many who didn’t give a shit about Alan on his own merits and cried for his inclusion in the league who are switching tracks because he beat Satoshi. Have a stadium full of seats. I still can’t believe many fans fell for the whole “he will win the league” horse shit, AGAIN. But I post most of the blame on shippers and people who just started watching with XY hyping up this league battle like he was for sure walking away with the win along with the XY tendency™ to make “troll hype” as evidenced before mostly with Serena’s shipping titles and episodes.
Any seasoned fan worth their salt should know what this business is about, hell, if I recall the Hoenn League’s titling had a similar phrase that was used in Alan’s victory episode along with all the development given to the TSME characters in the episode prior which should have been a calling card for a loss to any fan. At this point I’m honestly sick of putting up with salty shippers and PokeAni stans who are still crying oceans over a fictional 10-year-old character and, they’re free to do so, but don’t make TSME and its character’s collateral damage in the tags we all enjoyed perfectly fine up until this point in having our fun in and discussing the things we liked and loved about these characters who they view as simple instruments for Satoshi’s world.
edit: I still do laugh a bit over how ironic it is many wanted Alan in the league but he ended up winning the whole thing. PokeAni stans are a fucking riot. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
Is it really a Mary sue form when it's barely done much battle wise and ultimately lost to Alan's undefeated Charizard (which somehow... Isn't a sue, not that it IS im just saying there's just of a strong case one could make like everyone seems to do with Greninja :/)
Alan’s Charizard has lost several times, it lost to E4 Siebold’s Blastoise, got nearly killed by Primal Legendaries, lost to Lysandre’s Pyroar as a Charmeleon, was ineffective against Steven Stone’s Metagross despite having a type advantage. If Manon’s end episode segments are any indication, its lost to the likes of Mega Slowbro and even got put to sleep by Mega Audino too.
Charizard’s strength is warranted because Alan was and is always training 100% of the time, he’s always hunting keystone-holder, always collecting energy, always training with Alan, always always always since day one Alan said he wanted to be strong with Charizard and he only trained more when he resolved to become stronger to protect the one’s he loves.
Mega Charizard X is a Mega Evolution, anyone can have one if they have a Charizard, a Keystone and a Mega Stone and a powerful bond with said Charizard, even Trevor has a Charizard Y, Shouta a Mega Sceptile, etc. Satoshi is running around with a one-of-a-kind Pokemon form only he can use or trigger.
He’s Alan’s ace and ultimate partner, he’s Alan’s strongest Pokemon, Alan has gone through everything with him, Alan has been Mega Evolving him since early XY compared to Satoshi who only just recently met the frog. Charizard X is a mega evoluton and mega evolution is the face of Kalos. He and Alan actually have a strong, healthy and well displayed bond.
No case can really bad made of Mega Charizard X’s strength and success thus far because its all been fair and in canon.
Greninja’s fake form had a poorly explained lore, it’s inconsistent as crap.
Apparently this only happens and hasn’t happened in 1,000 years but SATOSHI somehow made it happen, even a village of people who specialize in ninja Pokemon and hail Greninja as some deity couldn’t even trigger this.
Greninja’s form was DEM in the sense it came at the most convenient times, you know how Alan would feel out his opponent then mega evolve moments later. Greninja almost always synchro evolved when he was losing, example, Shouta has it on the ropes then him and Satoshi press the win button in ten seconds with a one-hit KO. It drove Diantha, the strongest person and Champion of Kalos into a corner all on its own.
This form takes on his appearance, is named after Satoshi, Olympia apparently called it a new power, a whole episode of exposition was given to it as cheap and quick patch-up work because they realized their fuck-ups and they weren’t even consistent about that later on.
This form allowed Satoshi to one-shot his first fight in the league, beat Wulfric, beat Shouta, man handle Charizard X (while imperfected), and it was nearly impossible to revenge kill.
The explanation was that Satoshi cares so much for Greninja and vice versa that it transforms but this is BS when you realize, why does this only happen for Satoshi, does everyone in Kalos not love their Pokemon? Even then they did a terrible job convincing you that there was any kind of bond as for most of XY Greninja was just a battle ‘mon with barely any personality or characterization. Go watch the Korrina arc. with Mega Lucario and watch the Woods bullshit and tell me who feels like a character with feelings and emotions between Lucario and Greninja.
XY was just a letter for Satoshi worship, that’s why we got punching bag rivals, speedy fully evolved Pokemon for Satoshi only, nothing but Satoshi battle time and victories, constant Satoshi focus, Serena having a crush on him, Clemont looking up to him and taking a sound beating from him, Shouta thinking the world of him, Milefeui having a rivalry with Serena over him, Shauna-Tierno-Trevor all jobbing to and being astounded by him, group interactions centralized around him, Alan saying he’s “obsessed” with him, Pokemon-induced evolutions by virtue of Satoshi being their trainer and no hard work, many forced episodes only Satoshi saving the day and being glorified as a god damn action hero, and what is possibly the most overpowered Pokemon I have seen since Cynthia’s Garchomp in Greninja that only Satoshi can use.
ash-greninja makes no sense. like youre telling me no one in over 1,000 years in kalos even had anything like this. only ash?
No worries, we can just assume that everyone else in Kalos hates their Pokemon. I hope Alan&Lizardon pull the rug from under him in the finals after his multitude of forced, snowflake victories. It better not be through Satoshi using super Water Shuriken, Lizardon tanking it and Satoshi passing out thus Alan is victor by default. Even if Satoshi did win the league, it wouldn’t feel fair when most of it was skipped and treated as a formality for Satoshi, fights were one-shotted / easily gotten by special snowflake frog, and his only “wall” to the final two was a, still, very new trainer from Hoenn with a mega evolution as his ace (because synchro > mega evolution apparently).
Manon appearing at the Kalos League. What do you think?
XYZ has been painful for my TSME Acts-loving self, it's amazing how Alan and Manon are different from their specials. Their conflicts, agencies, wishes, goals, dynamics, all thrown under the bus for Satoshi. It really hurts, they were the two long-going XY characters who I was counting on to not disappoint me and still be lovable to me. Now this same ol' formula that Citron started where a great XY character is thrown under the bus for Satoshi's benefit gets another resurge, I'm pretty tired of Pokemon anime and Satoshi these days unfortunately. It's amazing when you look back at past series and see this wasn't nearly as prevalent an issue, but XY is so blatant and unapologetic about it that it's a punishment to watch at this point. I'm almost hoping he just wins the league and they replace him if I have to deal through this again in S&M, only with Lillie (who worries me based on appearance) as the leading lady.
I feel insulted as a huge fan of TSME, Mega Evolution, Alan&Manon and the like. Mega Evolution feels completely cheapened because any scrub can have it now and it doesn't matter seemingly because Satoshi can just bulldoze them now via plot armor or through his special snowflake frog (ughhh Satoshi-frog shilling is more granting than Eevee, Lucario, Charizard shilling combined at this point). They were hyped up as so rare and worth a true test to have and so hard to achieve but now, it's just so normalized. There's no sense of "grandeur" about them anymore. Alan and Manon, maaaann, they cared about each other so much, Alan made an array of mistakes but his worst was turning Manon to tears before her precious Hari-san had gone comatose from saving Puni-chan. It wasn’t healthy and was a big deal in the specials. In XYZ, Manon is fine? She has no issues with Alan, there is no hesitance over his behavior.
I'm really disappointed and yet Alan has some newfound boner for Satoshi, who he hasn't even had any deep interactions with, enough to diverge from his quest, get eight badges, fight his way to the finals of the league, put everything on hold while focusing on a kid and his frog that doesn't even help Hari-san because Ass!Greninja - snowflake synchrome form - not a mega evolution - doesn't yield mega evolution energy. It's nice to see Manon's face again next episode but they seemingly are forgetting her characterization and who she is. It's sad when you remember Alan was the researcher and Manon was the chick who wanted to battle and catch stronger Pokemon while traveling with Alan. Now she gets reduced to a damsel in distress waiting for this guy to save her and her Pokemon, he’s strong and mighty and she’s weak and powerless and fragile.
At this point I don’t think it’s a coincidence, this series is trying hard to drive home a divide in differences between male and female characters from aesthetic choices of “crying” (Shouta and Citron look like normal human beings, Millefeui and Performers look “attractive”) to battle time and handling of fighting and Pokemon to struggles and the like. I really hope Sun and Moon does away with this.
tbh i'm an ash fan but i don't know what theyre doing with him this saga?
I feel like the anime writing at this point is accommodating to Satoshi than the other way around, a powerful trait of a Mary Sue is being a character who breaks the rules of their own world, usually by being special for no reason to the point where others act differently around them and such.
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Okay but real talk, do you think that's why the XY trio is so Ash worshiping? To parallel how you were loved by everyone in the games? Whoa thinking about it this way almost makes sense
Yeah, I’m pretty sure that was the intention since Satoshi did take Calem / Serena’s role as the XY hero. I'm like 70% positive the blonde brigade are the writer's answer to Serena / Calem’s lackeys from the games. I’ve seen and tossed this theory around for a while now but it would make the most sense imo.
"When you ask me what I think of their relationship do you mean pre-existing things and such and how I view it?(like, dislike, apathy?) Or in a sense how I expect things to be expanded on and wants/wishes for their future dynamic?" Yes to all of those questions. And I thought that maybe you didn't answer the previous question. That's why I sent it again. Sorry.
Pretty overall apathetic toward their relationship, verges a little on dislike in the like-dislike spectrum. Kind of feels a bit mundane in the sense I’m not interested in most of their interactions and Ash himself gets so shilled regularly by everyone in the group in XY I find it hard to get behind his dynamics with the other. Bonnie’s bond with him is definitely the lesser of three evils in my eyes. In terms of expansion of their personal relationship with no Pokemon involved, not really sure or optimistic for that. I just could do with her playing more of a role in Goomy’s focus maybe and have some good interactions with Fletchinder and Frogadier, maybe another focus episode with Pikachu. I’d be okay with them maybe having an episode with Clemont where maybe Bonnie places Ash above him and she develops and learns to not take her Onii-chan for granted and that Ash has his faults too, even if they aren’t expressed much by the narrative.
Annnd it’s no probs, I sometimes answer slowly because I’m doing school work, reading workout stuff, studying or just lazing around.
