Tacking this up to save. Skype RP/discussion between @stopsignsandcigarettes and Alvin, partially IC, partially OOC, dealing with the other interloper in my brain right now. Thanks, Shizuo, you were a big help. ))
[12/12/16, 8:29:56 PM] Jishin: they really go at it hammer and tongs
[12/12/16, 8:30:07 PM] Jishin: it's rough for Alvin, he has standards
[12/12/16, 8:30:14 PM] Jishin: Roman just -buzzsaw-
[12/12/16, 8:31:35 PM] Mithos Yggdrasill (Hack): "Roman's got standards too, they're just more utilitarian, that's all. Yours are more moral. It's easy to butt heads with something like that."
[12/12/16, 8:31:52 PM] Mithos Yggdrasill (Hack): (Shizuo, are you defending Roman?)
[12/12/16, 8:38:03 PM] Jishin: "Roman's standards only serve himself. You can live that way, but that doesn't make them right."
[12/12/16, 8:41:28 PM] Mithos Yggdrasill (Hack): "I can get behind that thinking. Still, not everyone's good at the moral stuff, 'specially him. Having feelings, you know." The blonde is quiet a second. "People like him can throw it away and it makes their lives easier. Everyone wants an easy life."
[12/12/16, 8:43:12 PM] Jishin: I'm getting a lecture from Shizuo Heiwajima. And it makes sense. "Heh. You make me almost feel bad for him."
[12/12/16, 8:43:29 PM] Jishin: (daaang)
[12/12/16, 8:44:48 PM] Jishin: ( Congrats, Shizuo. You have gotten Alvin to realize that he really can't throw away his standards, as much as he often tells himself that he has.)
[12/12/16, 8:47:05 PM] Mithos Yggdrasill (Hack): Behind the sunglasses, Shizuo's eyes close. "I don't feel bad for him, and neither should you. He sure doesn't feel bad about it himself, at least, so why waste it on him?" He lights a cigarette.
[12/12/16, 8:47:24 PM] Mithos Yggdrasill (Hack): (Shizuo, the force is strong within you.)
[12/12/16, 8:50:33 PM] Jishin: "Maybe because it's easier to pity him than hate him." Although what exactly Alvin hated him for was a complicated mess of problems mostly revolving around Roman's habit of pushing his buttons. There were times when the other man was just fine —
He closed his eyes too. "Thanks."
[12/12/16, 8:53:15 PM] Mithos Yggdrasill (Hack): "Dunno what I did, but you're welcome." The blonde leans back and sighs out some smoke. "I personally envy the bastard."
[12/12/16, 8:54:15 PM] Jishin: "Doesn't give a rat's ass and just goes and does whatever he wants." Yeah.
[12/12/16, 8:57:19 PM] Mithos Yggdrasill (Hack): "Doesn't have to worry about hurting anyone cause he only cares about himself. Doesn't have to worry about losing control. About what he's done." Another beat of silence as Shizuo straightened himself. "But the world needs people like us to make sure people like him don't go too far. 'S Unfair, but it's the way it works. At least I think."
He scratches his head. "I'm not good at that philosophical stuff."
[12/12/16, 9:00:06 PM] Jishin: "You're better at it than me." He frowned slightly, turning the blond's words over again. They made sense. "Not that I'm sure I count more like you than like him."
[12/12/16, 9:03:50 PM] Mithos Yggdrasill (Hack): "Don't piss me off, Alvin."
The words came unbidden and unsolicited from the old bartender. His eyes were trained on Alvin in an instant. "I wouldn't be around you if you didn't have good in you. Torchwick is just...in between. You aren't." A short snort escaped his nose. "So don't say shit that doesn't make any sense."
[12/12/16, 9:06:53 PM] Jishin: "Hey, the last thing I wanna do is piss you off." It's said with a wink and a smile, though there's a note of self-deprecation lurking in his eyes. "Thanks. ... Again."
[12/12/16, 9:08:53 PM] Mithos Yggdrasill (Hack): It took a second before the blonde looked away. "Don't mention it. And don't think about it, either." He'd done something to Alvin, he could tell, but he wouldn't press the issue.
[12/12/16, 9:10:28 PM] Mithos Yggdrasill (Hack): (How'd he convince Alvin not to throw away his morals?)
[12/12/16, 9:10:56 PM] Jishin: (Alvin always thinks he has. All the stuff he's done for his mom, those are things he would not do if he felt he had another choice.)
[12/12/16, 9:11:29 PM] Jishin: ( so he keeps making these decisions and hating himself but what else can he do?)
[12/12/16, 9:12:15 PM] Mithos Yggdrasill (Hack): (Aside from not feel bad about it? Not much.)
[12/12/16, 9:12:39 PM] Mithos Yggdrasill (Hack): (Correction: force himself not to feel bad about it.)
[12/12/16, 9:12:52 PM] Jishin: (it's easier for him to think of himself as a bad guy than a a good guy, because good people don't make these decisions)
[12/12/16, 9:13:35 PM] Mithos Yggdrasill (Hack): (But Shizuo just pointed out that if he does, he'd practically be Roman. Is that it?)
[12/12/16, 9:13:51 PM] Jishin: ( yep, that's exactly it, and Alvin can look at that and go I'm not Roman )
[12/12/16, 9:14:11 PM] Jishin: ( I don't fight little girls, I don't blow up airships because it's fun.)
[12/12/16, 9:14:47 PM] Jishin: ( not that he would not defend himself from little girls if necessary )
[12/12/16, 9:14:57 PM] Mithos Yggdrasill (Hack): (He wasn't even trying to be insightful. He was just trying to give a new perspective. Oopsie in a good way. XD)
[12/12/16, 9:15:22 PM] Jishin: (Alvin needed that perspective, he probably wouldn't have found it on his own.)
[12/12/16, 9:15:50 PM] Mithos Yggdrasill (Hack): "That's what friends are for," (is his response to that.)
[12/12/16, 9:18:40 PM] Jishin: "That and carrying a spare light." Kidding.
[12/12/16, 9:18:57 PM] Jishin: (I'm really pleased at how comfortable these two are together.)
[12/12/16, 9:19:34 PM] Mithos Yggdrasill (Hack): A chuckle as he reaches out a hand. "Thinking of, ya still got one?"
[12/12/16, 9:19:37 PM] Jishin: (also thank you Shizuo, I think you settled their ongoing fight for me)
[12/12/16, 9:19:47 PM] Jishin: "Yeah." Hands it over.
[12/12/16, 9:20:00 PM] Mithos Yggdrasill (Hack): (It's kinda nice that they can just get real in a nice calm way.)
[12/12/16, 9:20:22 PM] Mithos Yggdrasill (Hack): (Oh really now? How so?)
[12/12/16, 9:20:44 PM] Jishin: (it's kinda hard to explain; I think Alvin felt a little threatened by Roman.)
[12/12/16, 9:20:50 PM] Mithos Yggdrasill (Hack): "Thanks." Lights yet another cigarette and just relaxes in silence.
[12/12/16, 9:21:26 PM] Mithos Yggdrasill (Hack): (Do you think Alvin's going to treat him differently now?)
[12/12/16, 9:21:53 PM] Jishin: ( I think they might settle into an amicable friendship as long as Roman doesn't do stuff in Alvin's hearing that'll piss him off. )
[12/12/16, 9:22:14 PM] Jishin: ( he's still a button-pusher but Alvin feels no qualms in decking Roman, interestingly enough.)
[12/12/16, 9:22:37 PM] Jishin: ( he tends to keep a tight lid on that around most other people, if they say something hurtful he'll just take it.)
[12/12/16, 9:23:26 PM] Mithos Yggdrasill (Hack): (So they'll have an even deeper relationship, despite their differences. That'd be good. ^-^)