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yeesh <went into the pluralgang tag for .2 seconds and saw like 3000 bad faith posts

like I get being civil & uncomfortable but literally going out of your way is not something you should do?? for your own health, even?? be anti-endo all you want but hoooly fuck don’t like invade spaces? isn’t that what you’re accusing people of doing? hello.?? I know I’m not going to convince anyone but still

anyway I should write a thesis on why the plural community is so fragmented right now and why we should change that/how we could change that

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Re: “Obviously, if there are any new scientific discoveries that make it so endogenics can actually exist, then I do apologise for previously being anti-endo. no, I will not accept carrds/rentrys they aren't proof”

“... The core MID symptoms-exhibited at all ranges of MID scores-for DID patients (the presence of alters, identity confusion, and memory problems) and BPD patients (flashbacks, identity confusion, and memory problems) were ostensibly similar but were considered to be mostly produced by different underlying processes. ... Alter identities seemed to generate most-but not all-dissociative phenomena in DID patients, whereas only the 24% highest scoring BPD patients (MID ≥45) seemed to manifest alter-driven dissociative experiences. Most BPD dissociative experiences appeared to be due to 5 other mechanisms..." (Note that the reason “only” is used here is because the number of people with BPD with alter-driven dissociative experiences is being compared to those with DID.) - "Comparing the symptoms and mechanisms of "dissociation" in dissociative identity disorder and borderline personality disorder"

"With regard to the dissociative experiences endorsed, almost (all) BPD patients reported identity confusion, unexplained mood changes, and depersonalization. Even those BPD patients with mild DD reported derealization, depersonalization, and dissociative amnesia. ... Analysis of the MID pathological dissociation items revealed that 32% of the items were endorsed at a clinically significant level of frequency by more than 50% of our BPD patients. In conclusion, the frequencies of Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (4th ed.) DDs in these patients with BPD were surprisingly high. Likewise, the "average" BPD patient endorsed a wide variety of recurrent pathological dissociative symptoms." — "Dissociation in borderline personality disorder: a detailed look"

The reason why I’m only sending in stuff about people with BPD having alters/systems is bc that’s what I know the most about, but I also know there’s more to be said about endo systems in general. For example, from the DSM-V: “Dissociative amnesia, dissociative identity disorder, and depersonalization-derealisation disorder may or may not be proceeded by exposure to a traumatic event or may or may not have co-occurring PTSD symptoms.” It explicitly states that, though they often come with it and tend to be closely linked to trauma, these disorders may or may not be proceeded by trauma.

I unfortunately can’t send links on anon but you can look up the names of these studies :)

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hello!! just a heads up: this is an ask dedicated to providing scientific proof behind endogenics and whatnot. if ur not interested, feel free to delete this. also, endogenics do not claim you can have a trauma disorder without trauma. being plural and having a CDD are actually different, and many endos agree that you can not have DID/OSDD without trauma :3c

NOW, here are some scientific studies documenting cases of plurality through non-traumagenic means (with links to PDFs and dropboxes at the bottom):

"Critiquing the Requirement of Oneness over Multiplicity: An Examination of Dissociative Identity (Disorder) in Five Clinical Texts." - Kymbra Clayton, Department of Psychology, Macquarie University

"Comparison of Brazilian Spiritist Mediumship and Dissociative Identity Disorder" - Alexander Moreira-Almeida, MD, PhD, Francisco Lotufo Neto, MD, PhD, and Etzel Cardeña, PhD

"Transgender Mental Health-American Psychiatric Association Publishing (2018)" - Eric Yarbrough, American Psychiatric Association Publishing

LINKS:

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/pvu74xz0zsx73c5k9uant/Eric-Yarbrough-Transgender-Mental-Health-American-Psychiatric-Association-Publishing-2018.pdf?rlkey=d7s032i8t2r8wldqjgygyuh3f&e=2&dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/j7lhgaunt49yn6afclgz0/h?e=2&preview=Comparison_of_Brazilian_spiritist_medium.pdf&rlkey=lpvsll0ajwfv376mhuqmwtx16&dl=0

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hcMLBTc41yu8PXL_oW4MieSwlLxPCPT3/view

If you would like for me to provide quotes that I have found through my own readings, I definitely can!!

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