Me: /puts on the TSwift Eras Tour Concert Video/
TSwift: "We've reached the first bridge of the evening. How many of you know it? PROVE IT!"
Birdie: Who fucking knows the lyrics to this bridge on comm--
Birdie: *singing along* I'M DRUNK IN THE BACK OF THE CAR--
Hey, Frank, I have some theology questions for you. Why do you consider The Devil (of the Bible) and Satan (original devil) different entities? I mean, I do think that the popular conception of the Devil doesn't really align with Satan as presented in the Bible, but you've specified the Devil as "(of the Bible)", so I am both confused and intrigued.
I don't really have a solid answer to this question, and it might just be more a question of personal interpretation.
The Devil in popular fiction, for instance, is basically "the embodiment of our base desires -- the things we want, for instance." If that seems a little silly, then I'd say it is because popular fiction is not really a very faithful representation of the Bible.
As for Satan in the Bible, as presented in my posts (cf. especially the links in my "devils, angels and free will" post), the Satan of the Bible is more in the sense of the personification of our ignorance. "Satan is a very old god" is a common interpretation of the Hebrew word for Satan, and that can easily be read as "Satan was long a thing of many divinities before being finally chosen as the only god who rules the world" or "Satan was a creature with a long history of being worshipped along with other lesser gods before he was chosen by God to be his sole servant."
The "devil" in the Bible is a personified enemy, more of a figure of rhetorical flourish than of philosophical weight. I don't know that it was ever supposed to be taken very seriously in its original context.
So I think it's important to distinguish that there are (a) an original Satan (which was worshipped as an aspect of El), who was later (b) supplanted by the Devil (who is a figure in John Milton's Paradise Lost). And it's important to distinguish between these two different figures, because one is much better suited to be the basis of a horror story while the other is a more appropriate base of philosophical reflection. "Devil" in the Bible is not "bad guy," it's "human tendency, tendency toward sin, etc." -- it's what human beings naturally want.
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Pls do give me some history recs! And also scifi/fantasy.
OOPS THIS GOT LONG
Okay, most accessible probably is An Indigenous People’s History of the United States by Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz (who claims a vague native ancestry that’s unclear and who is probably white yikes.) I have Beef (outside of ethnic fraud,) but it’s a good introduction in some ways to the way that the US military and militias have worked hard to eliminate native people in what is currently the US settler state
Also Bad Indians: A Tribal Memoir by Deborah Miranda (Ohlone-Costanoan Esselen (enrolled) and Chumash)
if you have access to a university library (either your own or through interlibrary loan, which some public libraries do with universities,) these are not from popular presses but are so good:
Asegi Stories: Cherokee Queer and Two-Spirit Memory, by Qwo-Li Driskill (non-citizen Cherokee but to my knowledge hir kinship claims are not disputed)
Aloha Betrayed: Native Hawaiian Resistance to American Colonialism, by Noenoe Silva (Kānaka Maoli)
Behind the Trail of Broken Treaties: An Indian Declaration of Independence, by Vine Deloria (Dakota, enrolled Standing Rock Sioux)
sci-fi/fantasy! there is a LOT of apocalyptic stuff. also a huge amount of indigenous fiction generally could possibly be categorized as a kind of “magical realism” depending on what vibe you want
The Way of Thorn and Thunder (trilogy) by Daniel Heath Justice (Cherokee, citizen of the Cherokee Nation) - high fantasy
Trail of Lightning, by Rebecca Roanhorse (Ohkway Owingeh Pueblo and African American descent)- apocalyptic, about a Diné (Navajo) girl
The Marrow Thieves, by Cherie Dimaline (Métis)- post-apocalyptic sci-fi, one of the best books I read last year
Walking the Clouds: An Anthology of Indigenous Science Fiction, edited by Grace L. Dillon (Anishinaabe) - anthology, to give you a taste of other stuff
Killer of Enemies, by Joseph Bruchac (Abenaki) - post-apocalyptic
Love Beyond Body, Space, and Time, edited by Hope Nicholson (settler-descendent) - anthology of Indigenous sci-fi based on LGBT and/or Two-Spirit themes [there is a kind of “sequel” to this, called Love After the End, edited by Joshua Whitehead (Oji-nêhiyaw)
Inktober 1: Hawkeye comic panels redrawn as Rent fanart. Because Clint and Roger are about equally human disasters and this is basically what already happens in the show, just set to music.
I was pretty tired at the end of last night’s session, and so I do in no way remember the context or what I was replying to or anything but
I just remember saying “well, so did Lucretia”
And the immediate OUTRAGE of half a dozen people all shouting over each other at that comment was just pure amazing hilarity and filled me with such joy