#teos speculation

[pacificwanderer]

I also think Ben may "turn" early in the movie and the final climax is not his redemption per se, but them confronting Palpatine, Palpatine trying to turn Rey or Ben against each other and them realizing their feelings with Ben doing something heroic and sacrificial. I feel that Daisy comment about "exploring" redemption might tell more than we think, they prolly won't do a last minute thing but they'll work together for 2/3 or the movie.

LOOKS AROUND SUSPICIOUSLY. THIS is what I want. Did you read my mind, Nonnie? Lol. I would love to see them interact throughout the move and see Kylo interact with Rey's friends, like that is what I want.

And the ultimate temptation--and a noble sacrifice?! Oh. My. Goodness. Okay, so not to make everything about Revan and Bastila, but *spoilery* at the end of KotOR, Bastila falls to the dark side and Revan has to try to save her (either bring her back to the light, or join her on the dark side). She begs Revan to kill her (it's very dramatic), but Revan does save her and goes on to battle Darth Malak.

And good god damn, with the Emperor there to egg things on (ultimate evil!!!), just like he did with Luke and Vader in RotJ. OHHH I'M TOO WORKED UP. TOO WORKED UP.

Would Ben sacrifice himself to keep her safe? Would she for him? I think it could happen. And, with this being a film that's meant to heal a generational wound and ultimately save the Skywalkers (help them rise, being the ultimate conclusion to Anakin's story as being told through his grandson, where Ben, with the proper help and understanding, will be able to succeed where Anakin failed. I JUST HAVE TOO MANY EMOTIONS).

But where Anakin paid with his life and wasn't actually able to heal the wounds he caused because he died (which then passed down via Luke and Leia, and were exasperated by Palpatines's influence) BEN will be able to atone and help bring balance to his family and, by extension, the Force.

Okay. Okay. That's a lot of speculating and it's late and I have a headache. But. BUT. FUN.

Good chat, Nonnie! Thank you!

[pacificwanderer]

There’s this theory that the title doesn’t imply to Ben but it implies that another type of force users will “rise” and they’ll be called the “Skywalker.” I have very mixed feelings about this because if this is true then that means that there’s a chance that LF would be ok with killing off Ben or have him sacrifice himself.

Hey Nonnie,

Yeah, I'm more willing to take this at face value and not convolute it. Ben is literally the Skywalker of this trilogy:

But some people just aren't into that for a bunch of reasons which are their own lol. I'm on my phone, so sorry for the dead space in the image.

But LF is getting exactly what they want with that title, which is to get people talking about their movie lol. And, I mean, in Thrawn Alliances, they do talk about how the Force sensitive Chiss children (most of whom are female) are called the Chiss equivalent of "Skywalker." So the name is out there in another context, however, this is literally "The Skywalker Saga," so I'm gonna have to stick with it's referring to the literal rise of the Skywalker family (as in, Anakin's story is going to come to a close through his family and the generational wound will finally be healed so that there can be peace in that family and, hopefully, in the galaxy/Force by extension).

But fandom gonna fandom lol. I'm more a fan of keeping things as simple as possible, instead of getting super invested in really convoluted head canons that would be really hard to fit into a 2.5 hour move, but people can have fun as they please.

Cheers!

[pacificwanderer]

The fight or duel would be very personal tho. They are both upset, disappointed and frustrated about each other. But I don’t think that means that they would want to kill each other. I feel like dueling would be something they would to let out every frustrations they have each other. LF and JJ would be very careful about the choreography. Adam and Daisy would have to show in their body language that even though they are dueling, they also don’t want to hurt each other.

Could be. I'm more thinking of how some people think they want to murder each other, where I'm disinclined to believe they're interested in that at all. As for fighting, it's just... I have a hard time seeing them fight each other because they want to personally. Like, I could see them being forced into that situation, but insofar as seeking it out? When death could be an accidental outcome? After all they've been through together?

They're connected through the Force and have seen each other's fears and desires, and just have this extremely intimate connection. For me, if you hurt one it would seem that the outcome would be the other would get hurt too. In old canon, if a Force Bond is severed, the outcome is beyond shitty, so I wonder how much of that (if any of it) will make it into the ST.

It's fine if I'm wrong or if you see it differently, but I really think if they're fighting, it's training or because they've been forced into that situation. We'll have to see how it all goes down!

Cheers!

[pacificwanderer]

Omg I just realized that even though we probably won’t read too much of Rey’s insights and feelings in the books (leading to TROS) but maybe we’ll get “hints” of it through the people she encounters. Like she’ll meet some people that mirrors her predicament and she’ll see relationships that could be paralleled or mirrored to her relationship with Ben.

👏👏👏👏 very perceptive, Nonnie! Plenty of the books make use of themes or stories that parallel what they're planning on exploring in upcoming movies. Thrawn has some interesting things concerning a threat from the Unknown Regions, and Rebels set up a TON of subjects that were later paralleled/explored in TLJ.

You're very right. Though we might not get specifics from her POV, we very likely will get some interesting tidbits in the story that will work as clues for what's yet to come!

Cheers, Nonnie!

[pacificwanderer]

do you think the cover confirms that it will be ben under the mask? because i saw some theories going around a while back that there would be a doppelganger or something.

Yeah, I'm not much into the whole there's a double thing. There's no reason to show Ben as Rey's literal reflection, as he's presented in that image, if it's not actually him. If anything, it reflective of his inability to truly move on from the past and subsequently how he falls back into old routines and familiar patterns, which is where I expect to see him at the start of TRoS.

Cheers!

[pacificwanderer]

Seems TRoS has been screened...i'm scared XD

??? The trailer was screened at cinemas this weekend before some showings of Endgame (not fucking mine though, I was pissed). But other than that, I have a hard time believing that anyone outside of the editors, JJ, or like need to know people have seen it. Afaik, JJ was still editing during Celebration, so??? Doubtful, at best. Also, JW isn't supposed to be scoring this until the summer? So...???

While test screenings were a thing for Rogue One, I don't think the same will be said for this movie (and the test screenings happened at the end of May for R1, anyway). They could shit in a box, stick the Star Wars logo on that box, and people would still show up to see the last movie in the Skywalker trilogy lol. And they didn't have faith in R1's end product, hence the reason substantial reshoots were done. I have a hard time believing that is the case here.

The more eyes on this, the more likely that the whole thing leaks, so I'm sure it'll be kept a secret for as long and as much of the movie as they can.

[pacificwanderer]

I gotta be honest. As much I love leaks ( especially when they’re in Reylos favour :p ), I’m feeling overwhelmed by what’s coming out. There are that MANY flying around that I just don’t know what might be true or false anymore. Having so many is taking the fun out of it a bit because I know so many are bullshit. I’m only new, was it like this for TFA and TLJ too?

Hey Nonnie,

Yeah, there were "spoilers" and "leaks" flying around for TLJ, most of which didn't actually end up being true (and there are always spoilers and leaks that seem to correspond to when a trailer drops, funny how that works).

If it gets to be too much, block the tags and take a bit of a step back. While some might have some truth to them (mostly, because it is possible to tell where the story is going if you've paid attention to the story they're actually telling lol instead of shoehorning headcanons in there), some definitely will not. Neither are really worth getting worked up over because we don't know the context or how the delivery will work in the movie.

It's like getting pieces of a whole, instead of something that's complete, so it can be frustrating.

Try to take a break :) At least from the spoilers.

Cheers!

[pacificwanderer]

Do you think anyone is going to lose a limb in the last movie?

Nope and @corseque had a great answer as to why on twitter which I completely agree with. Additionally, Snoke actually lost a limb lol. I know he's not a Skywalker, but he definitely got his arm(s?) lopped off when Ben cut him in half.

Cheers!