more replies w/ tlj spoilers
basically what thelukeskywalkers said. also, i hated how half the plot was caused by holdo not sharing the damn plan for no logical reason.
it was stupid, yeah - i kept thinking “just share your goddamn plan with him instead of being so fucking cryptic” - but realistically, it did make sense - she didn’t have the same kind of close relationship with poe like leia had, so she had no good reason to share her plans with him - but it did went on way too long; i think it’d have been better, in terms of writing quality and interesting progression of plot, to have poe find out about the plan in some accidental way - it was just frustrating as a viewer to feel so stupid about all the wasted tension when the plan was revealed and the pieces fell into place and poe (and us, naturally siding with poe) was made to realize that he was wrong
so like, i understand why it was done and i think it made sense, but it got dragged way too long and could’ve been handled better, with that i agree
tony-buddenbrook
i didn't like it because of messy storylines. I liked Luke stuff, I liked the idea that people CAN be bad and good at the same time. If I heard that it was a dark side of Luke, part of dark force in him, I'd like it even more, but oh well. Also stuff about Poe was REALLY bad, he was worse then Kylo Ren, and it was weird
the idea that people can be bad and good at the same time was one of the most major things that i loved about the movie and i think it was super important and am so glad that it was included
as for luke - but the fact that he does have a “dark side” was part of the whole point, wasn’t it? him contemplating to murder ben, even just briefly? that was his darkness peeking through - that moment of darkness that had such a huge impact on ben
as for poe - there were plenty of bad writing choices there, yeah - but like i said in the previous post, since in tfa i had 0 connection to poe and felt like he had 0 personality whatsoever, ultimately i was glad to finally have him get his own plotline with actual traits and motives and relationships
I thought Luke was ooc (mark hamill has been outspoken about how he completely disagreed with the way Rian wrote his character) women and poc were sidelined and poorly written so kylo ren could be the main focus of the story and Rian Johnson openly said how he wrote the script before watching the force awakens and didn't care about what the audience wanted. I'm happy you like it though! I don't think there's anything wrong with liking or disliking the movie!
yeah i do agree that the focus on ren was exaggerated to a point, but i really didn’t feel like he was the main focus on the story - even with the redemption arc fakeout - to me it still felt like the story of rey, finn and poe - and rose, who’s another poc and another woman - and it was the story of holdo (for better or worse), and of leia - it was more like the story of their parts in the mechanics of the rebellion (rey less so, since she was separated from everyone for most of the story, but she still tried to get luke to join the rebellion itself) - so yeah there was focus on ren but i don’t agree that he was THE focus of the story (if he were i’d have super disliked it since i don’t like him. at all)
if you could give me a link for that rian johnson thing then i’d really appreciate it (admittedly i’ve never even heard of it bc i’m a very casual sw fan and don’t keep up with all the press)
specifically... it really depends on how it was said/in which context, but “not caring about what the audience wanted” is imo a good thing to do if you interpret it as “not just pleasing the fans and granting all their fan wishes without worrying about good interesting plotting and good consistent characterization first and foremost” (not that tlj was 100% perfect in either departments, but i’d much rather have what we got than have some fan theories/ships/whatever that i’ve seen going around come true)
