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Stefan & Elena (+Damon) | Exile by Kaitem

Prepared to have your hearts shattered Stelena fandom. But damn is this vid amazing. Holy crap.

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A while ago you were asked how you would have done the tvd triangle and you gave a sort of shortened answer, i'm really interested in what you have to say, how you would explore both stelena and delena. so, if you wouldn't mind, if you have the time, would you mind explaining what you'd do fully(ish)? thank you c:

Hey there! I remember that question. I said I would have changed the way Delena had been done, and my answer is still the same on that front. I still feel like summing a lot of this up rather than going too far in depth. Mainly because I feel like it’s pretty self-explanatory once I get going. So here’s where I start making Twilight references lol—so it’s not exactly a fave series for me anymore (things just change) but I’ve had more than one person come to my inbox and make comments about how at least Bella was loyal to Edward. Personally, I don’t think there’s ever a clean way to write a love triangle. It’s always messy. However, the way it was done in Twilight is of the cleanest I’ve seen. One thing to note here. If memory serves, there’s one tiny difference about the love triangle in the Twilight book series, and in the Twilight movie series. The movie had Jacob use his imprintation on Renesmee to more or less justify so many of his strong feelings towards Bella, and possibly even her feelings towards him. But in the book series, I don’t think that ever happened. I think we were meant to believe/see that Bella was in love with Jacob too. Even though that fact would never have changed her choice. TVD could have done something like this. But that would have meant making Damon an interesting character, having his own life, own agendas, own outlook on life. Not permanently placed up Elena’s ass. That kind of story would have had its advantages. Not putting those two together, while making it clear there’s love there, while simultaneously making it clear that the big epic love story isn’t them makes a good story.

They could have written it that way, or….they could have written it where Elena was just more honest, and more willing to make other choices. But here’s where things get a lot less clean. Because the writers wrote Stelena like whoa. It would have been very hard to believe, or come to grips with for Elena to just up and tell Stefan she needs to give it a shot with Damon. That makes Elena look terrible. And even more terrible if she thinks she can just go running back to Stefan if it doesn’t work out. That means, in my book anyway, that Elena would have to have an extremely good reason for making that choice–not because she’s flaky. And I’d like to say the writers agreed which is why they went forth with a sire bond story line in which we can’t say for certain is 100% the truth, even though it did accomplish what the writers wanted. At this point, the writers tanked everything. And kept on tanking. Because, okay fine, Elena also loved Damon, needed to have that experience, blah, blah, blah…but then eventually the heroine is supposed to snap the fuck out of it and realize what kind of horrible shit has gone down, and start making the appropriate steps back home, if you will. Annnnndddd three seasons later, we’re still waiting. And In the meantime destroyed the true epic love story of the series to the point of no return. But hopefully just in time to destroy ‘the other epic love story of the series.’ (my ass). So, that’s it I think. They could have either kept Elena loyal to Stefan the entire time while writing the third side meticulously, or they could have simply written things differently after season four. They never should have let DE go on for three seasons—NEVER. The focus should have been redirected to ELENA, as a character and then give a proper rebuild of the love story that was everything. They just….failed.

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That story Alaric told was throwing so much shade at Damon and Elena's relationship and I love it.

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Elena said in 6x01 that she hated everything about being vampire until Damon showed her that love may be eternal or something like that. So, it indicates that feelings she had for Damon before season 4 formed into love after she bacame vampire. And if Dries wants to make clear distinction between human Stelena & vampire Delena - she can't say Elena was in love with Damon in season 3.

Hmph, yeah. I want to say a few things regarding this whole freak out. I think the writers have a position, or a move they could use here. First-Elena never said she was in love with Damon as a human. Even just that one thing, alone, leaves things open for debate. Not only that but we never get a scene where Elena has this giant epiphany that she’s really loved Damon the entire time. Instead, we get scenes where Elena says other things. For example, 4x7 she’s talking to Caroline and says she needs to 'figure out what these feelings actually mean.' Well—hahaha—I mean…there’s just not a lot of ways to interpret that. This is Elena post vampire, not in love with Stefan anymore, saying that she needs to figure out what the feelings mean—-as in she didn’t know before! The next episode after that, she tells Caroline and Bonnie that she 'thinks she's falling in love with him,' as in—-currently. Two episodes after that she tells Damon that she 'realized something today' which was that she loved him. I can even throw in the scene with the SE break up in which she tells Stefan 'Something's changed. Between Damon and me.' All of this is screaming 'Well this is new.' But let’s not get that confused with the feelings Elena had for Damon as a human. That’s the other thing. The sire bond was only possible because of Elena’s human feelings. That was made very clear. Only possible because of human feelings, and feelings—not love.

And I’m about to sound like a broken record, but taking us back to that choice Elena made in season three. I feel like a very logical conclusion to draw at this point is that Elena knew she had feelings for Damon as a human, but knew she loved Stefan and that was the extent of it. There are things we have to factor in here. I’ve always said that Elena made this choice believing it was a final choice. She never had any intention of becoming a vampire. She was a very human girl, still so strongly connected to her humanity. And I think, in the end, Elena made the choice based on what she knew—which was that she loved Stefan. And I don’t think she would be selfish and think she could always ‘try things out with Damon’ and if it doesn’t work— go back to Stefan. That was that point. She knew it was selfish to hold onto them both, and she needed to let one go. I think the choice she made had a lot of power in it. It’s romantic because there was no eternity for them. They were doomed, and their love would be so short lived and yet that’s where she wanted to be. If she were dying, if Stefan were dying—-there’s no other place she’d rather be than with him. When Klaus was draining her blood—she told Tyler to get Stefan. And when there was question as to whether the Salvatore’s would succumb to Klaus’s own death—it was Stefan (and yes—everyone else—-a big deal here.) that she wanted to be with. And that fucking means something.

But the point is—Elena wasn’t going to sacrifice that kind of love that she was so certain of for something uncertain. I think someone, somewhere mentioned Elena talking to Caroline about Caroline’s father’s death. And Elena said something like ‘All he had were his beliefs….’ And I think that about human Elena a lot. I think, at the end of the day, that’s what Elena had. I think she was a super compassionate young woman raised with the beliefs of community, family, honor, and loyalty. Elena was fiercely protective and loyal to her community and to her family. And the thing is—-Stefan shared these values as well. They so perfectly complemented one another. And Damon—that’s the other thing. He poses threat to Elena’s beliefs. Ah-haaa! Rose’s Speech, right?! Damon challenges Elena and makes her question her life and her beliefs. Yes. Damon has been a threat to all of these things. Season one, Damon comes to Mystic Falls wanting to destroy it. Community. Season 2, Damon kills her brother. Family. But of course her feelings for him challenged her honor and loyalties. And Stefan. Damon’s been a threat to Stefan as well. In many ways—some regarding Miss. Gilbert and some not. Anyway—-notice how Elena is now? Who is in possession of her loyalties now? SO. This would certainly explain why Elena made the choice she made. She was still in love with Stefan, she was unsure about Damon, and because of her humanity, and her beliefs. Elena turns into a vampire—-and what has to happen? No love for Stefan. No humanity—she’s dead. And a major perception shift. So basically everything that Elena valued more is no longer there, or rather—-they are not what they once were. And this had to happen for Elena to even allow herself to explore something else. And that’s what she was really doing for the first time. Then and only then could Elena discover she could love Damon.

So this brings me full circle. Something happened to Elena. The writers didn’t play by the rules. And everyone is supposed to assume that this is Elena as an ‘end result.’ She grew up. Sorry—but that as a solitary explanation just isn’t good enough, nor does it make a whole lot of sense. They wouldn’t take Elena this far unless it was for a very good reason. The card the writers can play is to turn Elena human again. And the shadow-self theory supports so much of this. As Suz once pointed out, Tyler’s sire bond story line in season three was a preamble to Elena’s sire bond story in season four. I can hear the recycling machine—-can you? It’s not a stretch to consider that Tyler’s human-again story line this season is a preamble to Elena’s. And already from what I hear, Tyler’s going to be feeling a lot of the same things he did when he was human before, Soooo Elena….you get it. Thus a triangle is re-invented. With much support from all of which has been discussed.

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/Well you might want to tell that to the people writing the show. If they wanted us to look away from the triangle and move on from it then they would write it that way./ The thing is, I think they have been writing in a way that's saying as clearly as they can that the triangle is over. How much more clear are they supposed to be without tearing down the fourth wall and having Elena say it directly to the audience?

Nope. Sorry.

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Like you say Stefan and Elena were the 'perfect fit' but then I don't understand how she can then fall so in love with Damon? Don't get me wrong I shipped Stelena and tbh I always will - but idk just saying Stefan will never be able to move on because of that doesn't seem right? And saying he can't just proves he loves Elena more than she loved him?and idk I wouldn't want that :/ I miss stelena :(

Well part of this is just about it being the nature of the beast. Although, how far the writers wanted to take DE initially is a hot topic of discussion, I think it was always intended to happen in some way. And there was a time that I legitimately questioned whether we were going to see DE on the kind of level we see them right now—I really didn’t know how they were going to make it happen when they did too good of a job selling the SE love story and Elena’s commitment to it. That’s why I would always say that if we saw DE really happen then it would have to be because they redeemed Damon so that they made more sense (even though that even has its own set of problems) or Elena ‘going dark.’ I was right, and right about which one they’d probably show too.

So the writers accomplished this by splitting Elena in half. They had her change into a person who would be more acceptable of her own feelings and nothing was stopping her or making her care (And we’re supposed to note how much of the reason Elena got to this place was due to circumstance). So everyone is on a journey and it just so happens that part of Elena’s journey is her falling in love with these two men. She’s the one in the middle—she’s the one torn. So at some point—they have to go there. I think that probably what most people have the big issue with, and you might be included, isn’t that we see Damon and Elena together right now but the way they have Elena towards Stefan. It’s a little on the odd side. Right now it’s like Stefan and Elena never happened. He was supposed to really and truly mean something to her but any major response from her just seems to be stemming from her own selfish tendencies now. And I’ve talked a little about this before. I have caught myself wondering what kind of responses Elena might have to Stefan if he were a bit more selfish with her. What if he was trying to get under her skin on purpose? But Stefan never does this. He leaves it alone. Untouched. And so things just continue as they always have. People probably agree that Elena doesn’t look good now but what would they say if the writers showed Elena still torn?

That’s why I mentioned DE having this air of finality to them. Like we’re supposed to believe that this is fucking it. Because even season’s 1-3 showed tension and complications between Damon and Elena as we watched their romantic entanglement just get more tangled. But don’t you ever wonder, just based on what you’d watched back then, if things would have ever gotten that complicated without Damon interfering? I’m not just blaming Damon here. No. That would be unfair. Elena is a known willing participant on some of what happened even if she didn’t want to admit to it out of shame, other loyalties, etc, etc…But for the most part Damon was the one initiating and Elena was just…non respondent, and yet worth a thousand words in her silence. But think about it. The writers had a reason for building it that way. Everything given to Delena—-Stelena beat them. Elena grew more and more in love with Stefan while simultaneously building something with Damon. The way the triangle was written then wasn’t half bad. So you could feel the mystery and the tension—-who would Elena choose? She’s torn. But eventually you have to move it somewhere. That’s why people fucking hate this triangle. They’ve made it be the driving force and a triangle can be difficult to write—especially when you’re going all the way like these writers are doing. With brothers, no less. So they’re always going to be thinking of ways to make it draw out, give it mystery, re-invent.

So they already make Elena look tactless in her joining up with Damon. If they show Elena still having feelings for Stefan and feeling confused the same way we saw with Damon previously then it just makes Elena look flighty—and it’s just a big circle that we keep going around over and over and over again. Elena’s human choice of Stefan is still very relevant and was supposed to be viewed as final until the writers reinvented things. And now look. We’re at another state of ‘finality’ only this time with Damon. It almost seems made to look as though this is how the rest of time would be because Stefan’s never going to do anything about being in love with Elena. Never. He just won’t. And on the flip side of that, Damon would never have stopped until he ‘claimed Elena.’ But neither choice was properly fueled. Some argued that Elena’s choice in season three was somewhat premature because she didn’t actually know what her feelings for Damon meant—just that they were there. So it was like—-get your game face on. Elena already knew she was being selfish so she had to put a stop to it right then and there. And she didn’t have forever so she chose the one she knew she loved. That all falls apart and then suddenly she literally does have forever but chooses Damon and never considers Stefan as a candidate for her heart—not once. So we have two choices, however relevant, but still left with loose ends. And because of Stefan, it would have just remained that way forever.

But…we’re not at the end of the series yet. And the triangle remains. We need a shake up. We need mystery. We need re-invention. And it’s about to happen. This triangle needs movement to it again because it’s gone stale. So now we wait and see what the writers have up their sleeve in order to turn the tide back towards SE. Because it’s going to happen even if it’s a snail’s pace. Trust me. The writer seems to be making things play out the way it would with these characters being who they are right now, and where they are right now in their lives. The show is certainly flawed. I’ve mentioned more than once that a big problem is how the writers chose to write Elena’s character. They had her so strongly rooted in a specific mold, but with shades of grey. Even JP felt that human Elena would not have, on her own, made choices that would have led her here. Something had to happen. At least that’s how they make it look while always leaving a window open for other possible interpretations later. Giving Stefan the ripper story line made it look like Elena never would have felt so distanced to Stefan and close to Damon had they not made Stefan be absent, both literally and figuratively. Having Elena die, become a vampire, become sired, and then change appeared to be the only way Elena could get to a place where she felt okay being with Damon. So it’s always about circumstances. Ever notice that? All three of these character seemed to be so tightly bound to their own identity that it was to a fault—-there was something about all three of them that spelled their own destruction somehow and they all have an important part in each others lives that play into their personal growth and development. They all have something the other one doesn’t…

I’ve made a short story long, but what I’m trying to really say is that your complaint is all a product of a fucked up, twisted, beautiful, piece of crap, epic love story wrapped in a triangle with mediocre writing and it’s a damn fucking shame.

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