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Lydia’s scene was very Lady in the Water-esque, was it not? 

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If those tags 'calling out scott' are referring to the claw thing in season 5: Scot HAS done that before, in 3b. i mean im in no means defending his actions in 5 cause that was shitty but he has tapped someones neck before (if you meant something else feel free to completely ignore this anon im sorry)

Ah, you are correct nonny. My memory was confused thinking he wasn’t doing it because he was part of going into the memory rather than just observing it. 

I recall more correctly now that he was the one connecting Lydia and Stiles, rather than Peter, whom my memory falsely substituted. 

So thank you for correcting me. 

Though I definitely think it’s a valuable lesson that seeing something done does not always mean you should repeat it. You should be careful and sure of how you act and be aware of the consequences. Which Scott did take for granted with Corey. 

And, when the advice comes from a 900 year old kitsune, who is seen as old and wise, yet even she still has reservations, I tend to pay attention and think the pack should too.

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The memory suck trick that Theo did to Lydia is clearly what leads to Lydia entering Eichen House. The catatonic eyes were the tell. That was our one signal. Next season we will come back to Lydia, Valack, Kira and the Desert Wolf. Everything will play a part in the Wild Hunt.

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This is so FMA.

Some of the experiments are strong and successful and they take well to the philosophers stone, becoming homunculi. While most test subject reject the stone and die.

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was that 'dont worry about malia or lydia' thing scotts way of kicking stiles out of the pack?

I can’t say that officially because, if you ask me, by the end of next episode or at some point in season 5B, Scott is going to come crawling back to Stiles.  Hopefully with an apology, but who knows, he never gave Derek one after all those times he threw Derek to the wolves and then came crawling back for help.

To be honest, the way I read that scene was very much that Scott was making a point of telling Stiles he needs to stay away.  Even his body language implies this when Stiles steps forward and Scott steps back defensively.  Scott is insisting there be distance between them.

And it’s not just that Scott told Stiles not to worry about Malia or Lydia (i.e. the pack no longer concerns him), but that he also told Stiles to “go talk to your dad”.

Implying that the pack was going to go one way and take care of business, while insisting that Stiles go in a different direction and take care of himself. 

If you read between the lines, the subtext is clear.  Scott might as well have said, “Get lost. We don’t want need you here right now.”

I have no doubt that Scott will eventually change his mind, especially upon realizing the truth of how Donovan died.

But, by that time it will be a mute point. The trust between Scott and Stiles has been damaged, well and hard. 

Scott didn’t just distrust Stiles, he abandoned him.  He took the pack away and left Stiles to fend for himself.  And here I thought pack was supposed to have your back?

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HOW CAN SCOTT NOT TRUSTED AND BELIEVED HIS FRIEND WHEN HE ASKED FOR?? OMG! I WANT TO KILL SOMEONE ;-;

I am honestly so upset with Scott right now.  I know he was manipulated and misguided, and that it was sever miscommunication, but in the end, Scott abandoned Stiles, his best friend, his brother. 

Scott might have seemed to doubt Theo at first, but he was also looking for proof to validate Theo’s story.  The second that Scott hears what he’s looking for, i.e. confirmation from Stiles, he instantly gives Theo his full trust and refuses to give Stiles any “benefit of the doubt”.  Rather sickening considering how Scott was preaching to Stiles about that very thing in Theo’s favor not very long ago.  

And it seriously makes me question just what does Scott holds against Stiles?  What has Stiles ever done to lose Scott’s trust?  If it goes back to the nogitsune, then Scott’s judgement is unreasonable, because Stiles was not culpable for those events. Just like he’s not culpable now. Though, tbh, Scott refused to trust or believe in Stiles long before the nogitsune happened.  So, again, why Scott, do you believe so easily the word of a semi-stranger over your best friend?

The irony is in our faces.  It’s meant to be.  This season they are finally not trying to hide the fact that Scott is screwing up, and they aren’t making any excuses for him.  Even other characters are calling him out. 

We know Scott is making a mistake, we know his actions are wrong.  Scott should have flat out asked Stiles for his version of events, rather than looking for proof to validate Theo’s version.  Scott doesn’t give Stiles a fair trial, which is a sign of a poor leader.

Perhaps what hurts me the most, is that Stiles gives in and is willing to compromise and even take blame for something he knows he’s innocent of, yet Scott refuses him.  Stiles is willing to put Scott’s needs above his own, as he’s done SO MANY times before, but Scott gives him nothing in return.  

Look at how this scene intentionally contrasts against the one in Motel California.  These scenes are mirror opposites of each other; the roles are reversed and this time Stiles is the one who needed to be saved by Scott.

In Motel California, Stiles selflessly saves Scott, even though, if you actually listen to all the things Scott says, they are all categories in which Stiles still qualifies:  

Scott: What if it isn’t? What if it is just me? What if doing this is actually the best thing that I could do for everyone else? It all started that night, the night I got bitten. You remember the way it was before that? You and me, we were… we were… we were nothing. We weren’t popular. We weren’t good at lacrosse. We weren’t important. We were no one. Maybe I should just be no one again. No one at all.

Scott lumps Stiles in with him, but he really shouldn’t, because Stiles did not reap the same benefits that Scott did from the bite.  

Basically Scott is implying that Stiles life was worthless before Scott became a wolf, and is technically still worthless now since Stiles is human, and thus Scott’s friendship (and connection to the supernatural) is the only thing that makes him “special’.

Yet, Stiles still steps forward, puts Scott’s life above his own, and saves his brother.  Even though Scott was being incredibly selfish, Stiles chose to look past that and see the bigger picture.  He trusted Scott so wholly in that moment that he even staked his own life on it. Stiles believed in his friend, and even though Scott had his faults, he knew Scott was more than the sum of his flaws, and he made sure Scott realized it too. 

I’m sad to say, Scott did absolutely none of this for Stiles.  In Stiles greatest moment of need, in his desperate plea for forgiveness, Scott turns his back and walks away.  Scott can’t even admit once that he believes in Stiles. 

Scott was not a hero today.  

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Scott, contradiction much? We don't kill the people were trying to save. But just letting them die is okay? It's implied that without the bite Hayden will die, and Scott refuses to let this happen. (Even though in Season 3, Scott implied he would turn Stiles to prevent him from dying.) I'm not sure giving Hayden the bite would actually solve everything, but you had your mind made up so quickly, without even considering the other side. I really wanna know your reason why Scott? You keep saying you want the pack to communicate, right? Then why do you insist on shutting down the conversation anytime someone says something you don't want to hear? You never listen.

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Do you have any links to metas about Stiles being an experiment/future experiment? :)

I’m sorry to say I don’t have very much material for this subject.  Stiles is so far the only member of the pack to not come into contact with the Doctors. Something I find highly curious.  I wonder if he would have the power to see through their masks and illusions?

I do, however, have a meta concerning possible experimentation on Claudia that may have led to her death.  And, now that we know the Doctor’s practiced with fetal subjects, I proposed that Stiles might be one of them, hence why his powers seem to “break the rules” and why his mother feared him.   You can find that meta here.

I’ve also had a pet theory for a while that the doctors are trying to build the perfect chimera to become a host for either themselves in order to sustain their immortality, or to become a vessel for their supernatural god.  I believe that Stiles may be the element that they need to make their experiments successful, he is the philosophers stone.  He is the host they are ultimately looking for.  I wrote more on this subject in the final comment here.

I think it’s likely that Theo’s task is to separate and weaken the pack to make Stiles more vulnerable for when the doctor’s finally take him. 

I’m also now curious to see if the wound on Stiles’ shoulder has transformed into the mark of the ouroboros.  It’s nothing but a hunch, but I would squee so much if it became canon!

Finally, I found this meta here that goes into some great parallels between Tracy and Stiles from season 3b.  So much of what is happening this season with the Doctors and hallucinations is very similar to what we saw with the Nogitsune. 

If anyone has any other links to Stiles experimentation metas, or any new ideas they want to post, please share!