#vosotros

[aatlasket]

all my homies hate vosotros

when will i ever need this gng

[sparrow-the-tired-lesbian]

Reblog if you hate Vosotros

[fishyishy5150]

“vosotros-“ I Am Going To Stab You Like Julius Caesar

(español)

“vosotros-“ Voy A Apuñalarte Que Julius Caesar

[spanishskulduggery]

Hola! Espero que estés bien!

Ya sé que te enfoques más bien en español neutral, pero podrías explicar cómo y cuándo usar "os" cómo lo usan en España?

Funciona cómo "te/les"?

"Espero que os tengáis éxito"?

First, vosotros/vosotras is the plural of tú in Spain - informal "you" plural... the closest equivalent I can think of for English is saying "y'all". But in general people say "you" or "you all" in translation, but I tend to say "you all" or "y'all" when I'm trying to definitely make sure people know it's plural

Second, I wouldn't necessarily say your example is wrong, but it's normally espero que tengáis éxito without the os "I hope you all are successful"... just something about the os feels off. I would read it as reflexive, and I can't 100% say it's incorrect but it doesn't feel normal

Third, os is the object pronoun for vosotros in EVERYTHING - direct objects, indirect objects, and reflexives

So let me explain...

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General basic knowledge that you probably already know but I have to say it - vosotros/vosotras is only really used in Spain, but it does show up in some literature

The vosotros of today is a bit different than historical vos, don't worry about it for now unless you're getting into older literature. What you need to know about historical vos is that it originally was the precursor to usted - where Vuestra Merced "Your Lordship/Ladyship/Grace" turned into usted over time. Essentially vos USED to be used for polite 2nd person "you", and the plural vosotros "you + others" literally was "you all"

Modern vosotros/vosotras in Spain is the plural of tú and so it's "you all" informal, whereas ustedes is "you all" plural

In Latin America for the most part, ustedes is used regardless of formality for plural

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Okay... so object pronoun os is used like te or les but it's used in every object pronoun situation

Direct Object Pronouns me -> yo te -> tú lo / la -> 3rd person singular los / las -> 3rd person plural nos -> nosotros, nosotras os -> vosotros, vosotras

Indirect Object Pronouns me -> yo te -> tú le -> 3rd person singular les -> 3rd person plural nos -> nosotros, nosotras os -> vosotros, vosotras

Reflexive / Pronomials me -> yo te -> tú se -> 3rd person, singular AND plural nos -> nosotros, nosotras os -> vosotros, vosotras

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For direct objects - the vosotros receives the action:

Os juzgo. = I'm judging you. Os castigaron. = They punished you. Os amo mucho. = I love you all so much. Os quiero mucho. = I love you all so much.

For indirect objects - vosotros is the recipient of an action, "to whom" or "for whom" something is done:

No os creo. = I don't believe you. Os están hablando. = They're talking to you. Tenemos que deciros algo. = We have something to tell you. Os tenemos que decir algo. = We have something to tell you.

For reflexives:

¿Os estáis concentrando? = Are you concentrating? ¿No os acordáis? = Don't you remember? Podéis imaginaros... = You can imagine... Os podéis imagnar... = You can imagine...

*imaginarse is more like "to put yourself in someone else's shoes", or "to have a good imagination/understanding"... it's like imagínate tú "picture it" or "just imagine"... except in vosotros instead of tú. You also say things like me imagino "I can imagine" - it's more supposition than imagination

In English we tend to qualify "imagine" to get that point across like "you can't even imagine" or "just imagine" reads as imaginarse to me without a doubt

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Note that in a reflexive, your subject and object are the same, so this is the one where you're going to have a vosotros construction

Also note for commands that are reflexive that os is used but stuck onto the verb but it is considered irregular because of the actual conjugation

marcha = leave [tú] márchate = go away [tú] marche = leave [usted] márchese = go away [usted] marchen = leave [plural / ustedes] márchense = go away [plural / ustedes] marchad = leave [vosotros] marchaos = go away [vosotros]

Note: Negative of marcharse for vosotros is no os marchéis "don't leave"

The weird one is ir vs irse where id "go" becomes idos "go away" for vosotros normal and vosotros reflexive

And the negative command is more normal (assuming you know command form of ir), since it's no os vayáis "don't leave"

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So in general as long as you know how to use specific object pronouns - direct, indirect, reflexives - you can use os very easily. The ones that will probably throw you off the most are reflexives because you have to know what's reflexive and how to conjugate vosotros whereas with direct and indirect objects, you're rarely using os with a vosotros

In other words: os digo "I'm telling you" vs. me decís "you all are telling me"

It's only reflexive that uses both the os and vosotros forms at the same time: me levanto vs. os levantáis

[frasesenespa-ol]

Vosotros no sabéis justificar las cosas, no sabéis perdonar. La única cosa que sabéis hacer es juzgar. Decidís sobre la vida de vuestros hijos de acuerdo con vuestros propios deseos, con vuestras propias ideas. Sin saber mínimamente lo que pensamos nosotros.

A tres metros sobre el cielo —Federico Moccia

[taperwolf]

There's another post about the differences between Spanish as it's spoken in Europe and as it's spoken in the Americas, specifically about vosotros, and it reminded me of the oddity of Spanish that is the pronoun vos, the origin of vosotros.

Voseo (using vos to address someone, as opposed to tuteio, using the familiar tú, or usteadeo, using the formal usted) was originally the formal second-person, used to talk to nobles and kings, and then moved more and more towards informality. When it got to be a little too informal, Spanish moved to using the third person as its formal second person, with the pronoun usted. But this transition was happening around the 15th century, right when Spain was conquering and enslaving half of the western hemisphere. So in a lot of Latin America, vos is still used, as a sort of middle-informal.

Now, this varies — it's apparently only used in Mexico in its southmost states, and it's used in scattered areas of Colombia. But it's pervasive in Paraguay, Uruguay, and Argentina, and pretty common throughout Central America. I spent some time in Guatemala years ago, and it's used there pretty much where Mexican Spanish would use tú, which in Guate is restricted to use between lovers and by small children.

The teacher I first learned about vos from said that the best rule of thumb for English speakers was to use it when, and with the sort of friends with whom, you'd address somebody as "dude".

[villings]

(...) Aquellos a quienes no he amado, aquellos a quienes ni siquiera he conocido, conservarán la parte más pura de mí.

Vosotros, solitarios, que diréis mi nombre y hallaréis la paz leyendo mis poemas. Para vosotros escribo con el afecto de un abrazo de hermano.

No me améis por el esfuerzo que entraña. Escribir para vosotros es como repetirse lentamente los versos de un poema querido.

Miquel Martí i Pol

[versiculos-para-cada-dia]

La advertencia de Jesús: “No todo el que me dice: Señor, Señor, entrará en el Reino de los cielos, sino el que hiciere la voluntad de mi Padre que está en los cielos”.