#watgp lore

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hey scandal! you haven’t been very active recently but I hope you’re all good? if you don’t mind I’d love to know a little bit more about something from watgp? what are Jason’s rooms in the hall of divinity like after he becomes Flamebird? are they joined to Dick and Slade’s? if so how does that change what their rooms are like from the description in the fic? hope everything is good and thank you for writing the brilliant watgp ‘verse!

Hey there babe!

Yeah I haven’t really had the energy for Tumblr the last couple of months. Sorry about that. What little energy I have for social interaction usually gets used up with work and Discord.

Jason officially stays at the manor for the first couple of decades (although after a few months he kinda starts shaking up with Tim).

The Hall of Divinity accomodates official fated pairings together so as soon Jason’s divine spark returns, Nightwing and Deathstroke’s rooms ARE Jason’s too. They don’t get their own because they’re not meant to be apart (and can’t help but not want to be apart) for any significant amount of time.

That said, you may have noticed at the end of chapter 1, Nightwing tells Deathstroke to “stop turning this place into a dungeon” and when Jason wakes up its all marble floors and pillars with a huge open balcony...

That’s because the gods have a great deal of control over how their homes take shape. To an extent. When Deathstroke is the only one there for a while it will change to accommodate his preferences. It’ll do the same for Nightwing and later Jason if he’s ever there by himself for a bit. But when they’re all together it’ll find a middle ground and kind of accommodate all their needs (conveniently never too awfully complicated by nature of their destined matching).

So when Jason first returns, Nightwing and Deathstroke have worked extremely hard to change for him and he’s forgiven them but not forgotten what happened. The room is less stark and cold, still the white marble floors but the walls are wood and there are three separate sleeping chambers sectioned off from the main living space with curved arches and gauzy curtains in each deity’s official color. When they are intimate with each other, they pick a bed.

It’s never Jason’s. Not for a long time. He likes the option to leave without having to rely on them to listen to him and wants to keep his own space his and free from their touch until he’s more comfortable.

Eventually though, they’d all end up tangled together on their one giant bed.

I’m a shitty “artist” and I threw this together really quick so don’t judge lol, but hopefully this will give you a vague idea of what I’m talking about please ignore the fucked up perspective on the bed in the second image

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So, for the ending of WAtGP, how did the rest of Pantheon react to finding out what Jason was? I can’t imagine that went over well, especially when he got around to visiting the Hall of Divinity again.

A lot of them don’t really care. It doesn’t really affect Ivy, Orin, Flash, Talia, Raven, Jon, even Robin and Kal.

For like Harlequinn, Nightstar, Starfire, and Arsenal, they’re pretty shocked about how a god was treated by the people they care about and Jason has to explain, again, that no one should be treated that way. They come around pretty easy though.

Now. Kon and Ra’s however? They take issue with Jason’s prescence because of his closeness with Tim. Ra’s has been trying to seduce Tim pretty much since the beginning and he’s not too thrilled to have more competition. Tim has only ever given Ra’s the time of day when he’s on the outs with Kon AND the fight lasts an exceptionally long time. Now Ra’s has to share those rare moments with some new god who used to be a human? The indignity.

Kon is also not thrilled. He and Tim are best friends and love each other dearly but they butt heads a lot. Kon doesn’t like the idea of someone Tim likes that much possibly making things worse. Little does he know, though, that Jason’s prescence actually makes things better (for Kon not Ra’s... lots worse for Ra’s lol) as he helps balance the times when Tim gets over analytical and Kon gets overly stubborn. After a tense start, the three of them end up getting along really well.

The fun one, which will definitely get a one shot, will be Ravager. Deathstroke’s and Nightwing’s daughter is the goddess of revolt and just retribution. She... may have a few things to say 😈

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Happy 2020 Scandal! I'm ending 2019 asking about my favorite fic of yours, Watgp! Sooo about the Joker, I know you said gods are forces of nature and can't really be punished, but I have a real hard time believing the Bat, Dick and Slade would just let that shit slide, so what did they do to him. Also what's Nocturna like, i've a weird headcanon she's very solemn unlike her parents, plz feel free to throw in any extra info! Again Happy new year and thank you for all you've given us this year!

Hi baby! Sorry it took so long to answer you but I had to think about it because in my mind... yeah nothing happened to Joker and I wanted to reevaluate and make sure that made sense for everyone involved.

So for starters, short of taking it out on Joker’s mortal followers, there’s not really much the other gods can really do to him anyway. That might have been an option for Deathstroke before Jason but not so much anymore. Now Jason is insisting that taking their divine issues out on mortals who didn’t do anything is wrong and, even if Deathstroke doesn’t necessarily believe that, he is currently bending over backwards to do whatever it takes to bring the missing member of their triad back to them. They’re physically and emotionally pained by Jason’s absence so they’re not going to do anything that might prolong his return.

And with Nightwing Jason just guilts him. “Well, he wasn’t wrong, Dickhead. He didn’t do anything to me you and Deathstroke didn’t do first.” And that makes the self-righteous indignation die down real fast.

Bruce is conflicted because he knows Joker isn’t responsible for the way he is and he still loves the person Joker used to be. But Joker still harmed his son. I have thoughts about writing their first interaction after WAtGP so I won’t go too into it but I have to recommend readers keep in mind the fact that the gods have a complicated relationship with time and emotions and stuff. While Bruce is probably the closest to sharing general human values having spent so much time with them, he is still an ancient immortal deity with a wildly different perspective.

As for Nocturna, she is very solemn. Very silent. She doesn’t speak much and when she does it’s more... it’s more like a feeling one has of what she intends to communicate. She does her best to kind of mitigate Joker’s damage but ultimately she’s deeply apathetic.

Or used to be anyway. Jason’s arrival and the whole mortal god thing shakes the divine community. And shifts in the status quo that follow his arrival seem to add weight to this idea that the gods can and should be better (I’ll give a little spoiler... demigods haven’t been a thing in this verse... until now :D )

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Hey! I have a lore question about the watgp verse that i always forget to ask and have been mulling over for months xD you mentioned that tom has a female side? Sophia? Do all gods have one? I guess since theyre gods the concept of gender is a lil more fluid and its not weird to see them change gender for a short while?

So the gods don’t really have set appearances. They can shift and change however they want. 

Mostly.

They’re standard appearances however, are largely determined by how humanity views them. Which is this really fun, what came first the chicken or the egg kind of question because seeing a god (which was not entirely uncommon back in the day) just reinforced the general consensus. 

So like, Deathstroke is pretty unanimously depicted as a large man with white hair, one eye, and orange and black armor. 

But like Tim for instance, isn’t super visible. He spends the most time among the humans but he doesn’t advertise it. He’s very elusive. Some cultures depict him as a late-teen with longer hair, some as younger teen with short spiky hair, some as a young blond woman, even one or two that depict him as a hulking, muscular man with a shaved head. He has a lot of variation in his appearance and it gives him a little more wiggle room.

The Bat is an even more interesting case. Every culture the world over believe that the bat cowl and cape are part of his divine accoutrements. They, along with the batarangs, make up the mythical objects associated with his worship. Like Deathstroke’s sword and gun, Diana’s bracelets and lasso, etc. But what he looks like under the cowl is the topic of much theological debate.

So yes, all the gods have a very fluid sense of self when it comes to their appearance. They never really have cause to think about it but if they were forced to and asked to label themselves, they would all consider themselves genderless. But their... visual ‘resting state’ as it were, would rely heavily on humanity.  

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That ending for WAtGP really touched me like deeply and I’ve left comments to that effect , but now questions, can you explain the duality aspect in regards to joker, I know humanities fear of death changed him but shouldn’t his life aspect have balanced that out? And is that duality thing what he meant when he told Jason the God of truth is a filthy liar? Also when did joker start changing was that before the the second generation was born or after? Soo many questions!

I’m glad you enjoyed it and thank you for your comments!

So, if humans had continued to worship the life aspect of the god of death, it would have balanced out the shift in the worship of the death aspect. But when humans stopped recognizing death as just another part of life and began to fear it, they didn’t really compensate. People don’t really worship life, they mostly take life for granted. They don’t think of life as a great gift, they think, “I didn’t ask to be born and now I have to live through this mess and it’s hard.”

Also, all the gods’ dualities are in danger of shifting to extremes as humans become more extreme. Nightwing and Deathstroke are in the early stages of those changes which is why Jason is a part of their trinity (and why he was fated to live as a mortal). Bruce and Diana were also starting to feel some of the effects which is why they were tapped as his parents and the human element was added so that Jason could be a bridge between them and help balance their influences over each other. (And yes! The Joker was referencing The Bat’s dual nature).

Joker changed in a nebulous time definitely after the second generation was born but probably before the third. Tim and Rose are by far the youngest (after Jon of course since he’s Tim’s kid with Kon) as both are only a couple thousand years old at most (both were born somewhere around 1-200 CE. They’re straight up babies). Jason would actually be fourth generation with Jon (who was born around the Industrial Revolution). 

No worries! I love questions! Especially when I’ve got so much more history and background and lore than I could possibly put into the fic :D