rumple and wish hook in season 7 are so so so good. they're tilly's dads your honor and they should get married
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rumple and wish hook in season 7 are so so so good. they're tilly's dads your honor and they should get married
Why is S7 timeline so damn confusing?? Nearly 5 years later and I'm still on this.
How old would you say Ella is here? 15 or so? Okay agreed. A year later, when Anastasia (14) dies, she's 16. Anastasia gets put under that preservation spell and Rapunzel traps Gothel in the tower.
Alright, I'm with you so far. Some time later, Gothel tricks Hook into siring her kid. That kid, Alice, then spends 17 years in the tower before subconsciously conjuring a friendly giant that freed her.
Then Alice spends an unknown amount of time in Wonderland and other places before she crosses paths with Henry. Who has recently met Ella, whose an adult now.
So if Ella was 16 before Alice was born and it's been at least 17 years, does that make Ella around 33 in "Hyperion Heights" flashbacks? OK cool. I would assume Henry is around her age. Casting call describes him as being in his lat 20s to early 30s.
But wait. The description fits his cursed self not the very still optimistic Henry that Ella meets. Is cursed Henry in his mid 30s? And he's got a 10 year old daughter. Had to have been around mid 20s when she was born. And was early to mid 20s when he met Ella. And unless he's into older women, which is cool, then I'm going with the assumption that Ella was also around her early 20s when they met.
Then there's Drizella, who's a few years younger than Ella. And she appears to be around Alice age during the time of the "Hyperion Heights" flashbacks. Late teens - early 20s.
So Alice has been out of the tower for a few years. Good for her. Anyway, feels like Alice is the wrench in the gears here. She was trapped in a magical tower. Maybe 17 years only passed in the tower and only a few years in passed in the rest of the Magical Forest. Then there's Hook who definitely did not look like he only aged a few years.
But he was also a drunkard, so maybe the accessive drinking fucked up his appearance. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I think I need to help some people understand Rogers, his relationship with his daughter and exactly how his poison heart actually worked. Because I've seen a lot of people (you know the lot) spreading misinformation to others, which isn't a surprise since they openly admit to not paying any attention to most of Season 7 and only actually watch the scenes that they personally like and accept.
Let’s start with Rogers motive for trading places with Original Killian in Episode 2:
Actions speak louder than words. Rogers did indeed, brag to Killian that his plan to was to steal Emma and he mentioned to Tremaine that he had left Killian to die (of thirst) so that he could take his place. However, for all he talked about doing this, all Rogers really did was knock Killian unconscious and leave him untied on the middle of an open cart in the middle of an open street where anyone could have found and help him. Or where he could have recovered in his own time and then given chase (you know, like he literally did!). There is absolutely no way this could have been a murder attempt. He clearly was a guy who was just talking big to seem more intimidating and just needed Killian temporarily out of the way in order to get True Loves Kiss from Emma to cure his heart.
Why he only started searching for Alice after his meeting with Killian and Emma:
He was a miserably depressed wreck. Right up until he met Killian and Emma. It was only after Emma gave him a second chance by saving his life, and also gave him her own little hope speech, that Rogers was able to pull himself out of his depression. Emma’s kind words gave him the inspiration and the strength to put himself together and continue his search for Alice once again.
Why did Rogers stay away from Alice and not just stay on the other side of the room:
Because that wouldn't have worked. We see many instances where even being in the same room as Alice causes him a great deal of pain and physically pushes them apart. It wasn't a case of touching Alice made his heart weaken. It affected him when she was so much as even near him (as Gothel herself says when she’s explaining it to them right after she originally poisoned him). Being across the room from her would literally just mean that a child Alice gets the utter horror of watching her father slowly die while in constant and steadily growing agony.
Why he didn’t die by her side anyway so as not to leave her alone for so many years:
Because after he was dead, Alice would still be trapped in the tower. Oh and THAT WOULD BE A BLOODY MESSED UP AND TRAUMATIC THING TO DO TO YOUR OWN DAUGHTER!
Why did he just run off to get drunk:
At first, he didn't. Rogers spent many years searching for a cure for his heart as well as a way to get Alice out of the tower. It was only after years and years of failing that he became depressed and let his depression get the better of him. Now I can somewhat understand why some people might still dislike him for this. (Though it does bring up the question on how sympathetic they are to people with depression...) However that still doesn't mean he just shrugged and went drinking the moment he was poisoned like some claim.
Why didn't he visit her:
Because the poison would still have eventually killed him. The way the poison works is that it gradually made Hook's heart weaker.
Just so we're clear: Rogers heart didn't weaken when Alice was around and then strengthen back up once she was gone again. What the poison did was steadily make his heart weaker after every encounter they had. The pain he received may have eased over time but the damage it did to his heart did not. It stayed with him and eventually his heart was simply going to be weakened too many times and it would just have given out and he would have been killed.
You know, like it was doing in the same scene where Rogers is far away from Alice and with Robin instead. He's still dying and struggling so much that he can't even stand straight for long periods of time. Because his heart has taken so much damage from just being near Alice that he is literally dying (albeit slowly) in this moment.
Why he didn’t use True Loves Kiss with his daughter:
He couldn't get near Alice. Every step towards her was causing him utter agony and began killing him! When they did, somehow, manage to rush a hug - they barely had a chance to fully touch one another when the poison quite literally propelled Rogers away from her.
Why Alice didn’t have True Loves Kiss with Robin:
Because Alice wasn't the one poisoned. Rogers was. That's why he was the one who needed TLK. (Emma kissing David while Snow was under the sleeping curse wouldn't have woken Snow either.)
Why Rogers didn’t send Smee or someone else to look after Alice for him:
This was never canonly stated but I feel like there are a lot of reasons as to why Rogers never got help. The most obvious being that he had no idea where Smee and the crew were (they were sailing the seas somewhere and Rogers no longer had a ship to chase them). However I also always thought that Rogers knew no one would do it. Smee was willing to take his ship because Smee (as well as the rest of his crew) are pirates! They want to sail seas and be free. Smee respected Rogers as his captain, sure, but not enough to give up his entire life to babysit for him. Not to mention that pretty much all of Rogers' crew actually gave up their loyalty to him in favour of Blackbeard anyway. Because. Again. They're PIRATES! Aka, BAD SEA PEOPLE!
Otherwise I believe that Rogers didn't trust anyone to watch Alice. And honestly, why would he? He's been tricked twice by Gothel now, so I imagine he knew he couldn't find anyone else because (apart from just generally not knowing anyone else who could) he also couldn't trust they that were genuine and not another Gothel scheme in disguise.
So in summary: Rogers was not an evil man. He wasn't trying to steal Emma or kill Killian. He didn't abandon Alice the moment he was poisoned. He couldn't have ignored his poison or worked around it.
He's not a perfect guy, but he's not a terrible father, either.
“My past is an armor I cannot take off, no matter how many times you tell me the war is over.”
It would be Alice the daughter that Hook has always find??? ~Broadway Girl~
Love how he said that like it was supposed to mean something to Black Beard.
Headcanon that the spell that kept Alice locked in the tower also affected every aspect of time. The flow of it, Alice's perception of it, her aging, and even Hook's aging while he was in the tower. Alice did spend 17 years in the tower, but only 4.25 years had gone by in the rest of the Magical Forest. Breaking it down. Divide Alice's 17 years into 4 sections. One section for each year and 3 months in the Magical Forest. 17 ÷ 4.25 = 4. For every year and 3 months in the Magical Forest, Alice experiences 4 years in the tower.
Say Alice's birthday is Feb. 5th and Ella's is March 7th. And that Ella was 15, almost 16, when Alice is born in the tower. It's Feb. 5 both inside and outside the tower. A year and 3 months in the Magical Forest goes by. It's May and Ella is 17, but Alice is 4 years old. Because for Alice and Hook it's been 4 years and as far as they know it's February. For every 3 months in the Magical, it's one year in the tower.
It's Feb. 5 in and outside of the tower. Alice is born. 3 months go by in the Magical Forest. It's April 5th and Ella is 16. But Alice and Hook have experienced a full year in the tower. Hook notices that he and Alice have aged more quickly than they should've. And he uses the stars to do the math. By charting the stars over a couple months, Magical Forest time, Hook is able to calculate how much time passes in the tower. And he teaches Alice how to chart the stars.
A total of 51 months have gone by in the Magical Forest since the day Alice was born. It's May, but thanks to what her father taught her Alice knows that she turns 17. On her 17th birthday Alice is freed from the tower by the troll. The spell that affected Alice's perception of time is broken. She is now aging at the same pace as every one else in the Magical Forest. Alice is 17 and Ella is 19. Alice spends the next few years exploring Wonderland and other places. It's March 4 years after Alice's escape. The King is throwing a ball to find his oldest son a bride. Alice is 21 now and Ella has just turned 23.
The time aspect of the spell serves to futher isolate Alice from the rest of the Magical Forest. And futher seprates Alice and Hook after his heart is poisoned and he's cast out of the tower. He spends years looking for a cure and a way to free Alice, knowing that Alice is experiencing a far greater passages of time in the tower.
That little trinket was his chance to be reunited with his daughter in a land where the Curse of the Poisoned Heart wouldn't affect them. And he gave it to a friend, a fellow parent. So that she won't have to endure the pain of being seperated from her child. And so that an innocent little girl wouldn't be alone like his daughter was.