#wolfstar hate

[fanfic-lover-girl]

hi! i always thought that sirius and remus care and love each other from how the fics made them so happy in love? is it really not the case in the books? i don't really remember much details

Hey anon,

I suggest reading the books again then. I have only read the sections I care about so as usual I suggest asking an old school marauder fan or maybe a Snape fan for details.

Wolfstar is fanfiction. Slash fanfiction. Harry Potter does not endorse gay relationships. Not really, besides Grindledore I guess? So of course Sirius and Remus' relationship in canon is not the same as modern wolfstar fanfiction.

Sirius and Remus care about each other...the same way you cling to a lesser friend because they are the only one left. It's sad really.

Here are the facts (someone correct me if I am wrong):

Sirius thought Remus was the spy in the first war.

Remus never visited Sirius in prison. You would think an old friend would at least visit to get closure or ask why Sirius acted that way.

Remus thought Sirius was guilty. Despite being one of his best friends and knowing how much he loved James.

Sirius carelessly almost used Remus as a murder weapon to kill Snape. Not caring that it could have ruined Remus' life.

Sirius joked about wanting the full moon to come in SWM so he could romp around with his buddies. Despite knowing how much it caused Remus to suffer.

Sirius left all his money to Harry and gave Remus not even a red cent. Despite Harry already being rich and Remus being destitute.

So romantic! You can feel the passionate gay love in the air! Lol.

Honestly, Wolfstar makes little sense. Remus is not Sirius' type - not like James. And Sirius had trust issues with Remus and endangered his life.

If you enjoy Wolfstar fanfiction then you do you. But just don't think it has any basis in canon. James was the only marauder Sirius truly loved as an equal. Remus and Peter were basically the poor, downtrodden pity friends who Sirius probably tolerated because of James.

[fanfic-lover-girl]

Hi there can you tell me how fanon sirius is and how different he is from canon sirius?

And also do you hate all fanon sirius?

Hey there!

Usual disclaimer, I think you would have a more comprehensive answer from someone who is an old school marauders fan. Honestly, most of the fics I have read and enjoyed tend to be about teen Sirius.

Fanon Sirius is kind of like fanon Draco: girly, gay, the type to gossip and paint nails with the ladies, short, submissive, a poor helpless victim and overall boring and woobified.

Canon Sirius as I know him is tall, masculine, harsh, dominating, passionate, loyal and complex. Canon Sirius does not care about Remus as much as his fanon counterpart who seems to worship this loser's shadow. Everytime I see the wolfstar pairing in a fic, I immediately abandon all hope that the fic is good or that Sirius won't annoy me.

Do I hate all fanon Sirius??? Hard to say. Since I have not fully read the books, I think I have more tolerance for certain aspects of fanon Sirius compared to a more hardcore Sirius fan. Like I don't mind fics where Sirius is a sexy womanizer even though in the books Sirius showed little attention to women - like they weren't worth his time lol. Given how rebellious Sirius is, I doubt he would respect conservative pureblood marriage traditions. Plus he's handsome, rich and a bit immature. So yeah I could see Sirius running through women (even though I hate that kind of behaviour in real life). I also don't mind fics where Sirius is a little domestic, eg liking to cook. Especially in fics which are centered around godfather!Sirius.

But I dislike everything about fanon Sirius when it comes to Wolfstar. I was reading this non sexual age play fic with Harry and Draco and one of the reasons why I stopped reading it was because I couldn't take the Wolfstar anymore. Pretty sure I mentioned that to the author too...

Anyway I am sure you can find more hate for Fanon!Sirius by checking out the anti wolfstar tag :)

[autistichansolo]

sobforsirius replied to your post “Ohmygosh I just saw a freaking post about under appreciated...”

under...........appreciated.........

I KNOW! Like some points were good in it like Ron being under appreciated which is true but like wolf/star is not. Like, unfortunately, it’s one of the most popular ships in fandom so it’s really nowhere near being under appreciated considering it’s in almost every single marauder post to the point where it’s ridiculous and really annoying. Like I’m trying to ignore this stuff but this really just annoyed me so much that it’s hard not to say anything bc FREAKING WOLF/STAR is the FURTHEST THING from being UNDER APPRECIATED!!!! I’m just so done with this ship and most of it’s shippers. 

[autistichansolo]

Yes! I actually agree with you on wolfstar, like it just seems like ppl were like "Well James has Lily, Peter a piece of shit so we'd better fling these two single males together bc we need a gay ship for the marauders" xx

Yeah, I agree. I do feel like that is part of how it started. But honestly I just don’t see it at all. And it gets annoying when shippers are like there’s so much subtext when really there’s not. And I feel like they do forget or ignore a lot of canon stuff i.e the Prank or them not trusting each other or even Tonks. Like I’ve heard how some just ship them when they were in school but still that doesn’t work really bc like Sirius literally uses Remus to get back at Snape like how does that say “i love you but I’m going to make you do the one thing that you fear the most” bc that is kinda what Sirius did (and honestly that doesn’t make him a very good friend either). 

Also, I just don’t really see why in every maraduer/jily fic Remus/Siruis/Peter need to be dating someone. (like I really don’t see Sirius ever dating anyone; like I really headcanon him as demiromantic asexual; and like i feel like Remus would have the same issues he had with Tonks even as a kid; honestly I feel like Peter at of the three of them would be the most likely to date someone besides James). 

Like yes there should have been better representation but like wolfstar really isn’t the answer bc like honestly it’s kinda unhealthy if you look at everything both Remus and Sirius have done in canon to each other the biggest one being THEM NOT TRUSTING EACH OTHER(this is really my biggest issue that everyone seems to completely ignore)

[autistichansolo]

Opinion on wolfstar pls xx

I hate it and don’t like it at all. It’s like my biggest notp. and honestly I don’t see it at all. 

Like they both don’t trust each other and thought the worst of each other, which is the biggest thing for me. Also, I can never see it being an healthy relationship bc it won’t be built on trust like Sirius didn’t trust Remus in the first war and thought Remus was the spy hence the reason why Remus didn’t know about the Secret Keeper switch. Also I really don’t think Remus ever fully trusted Sirius after the Prank where Sirius literally betrayed him (by telling Snape’s his secret; also, I do think that this is partly why Remus believed so easily that Sirius was the spy and that he betrayed James (tho that is also why I think Remus really didn’t know Sirius bc he really did think that he betrayed James)). 

And I personally don’t see Sirius and Remus being very close (I see them as being the least closest in the marauders). And I don’t think their friendship was ever super good after the Prank (I really don’t think Remus ever fully trusted Sirius after this; also, this is why I think Sirius kinda saw the werewolf Remus as something completely different from the human Remus despite them both in whole was Remus but I just don’t think Sirius ever really got that).

Also, I really sick of wolfstar being literally everywhere. Like I kinda don’t like a majority of the marauder fandom bc like it’s treated like canon when it’s not and never was going to be (like i’m sorry but like two people who don’t trust each other would never be in a relationship bc trust really in a major foundation for a relationship). Also, some of the shippers have really turned me off of it like completely (like some of them have sent death threats to a friend bc she said she doesn’t like wolfstar and that it’s not canon); also, I really don’t like how some shippers treat tonks horrible bc she dared love Remus (and honestly I feel like she respected Remus more than Sirius did). 

and sorry for using your ask to rant about this bc really I don’t like it at all and really it is the worst ship ever (like I don’t think I ever hated a ship as much as I hate wolfstar bc like it’s the worst). 

[autistichansolo]

"Wolfstar (it’s not FREAKING canon and never was going to be)" - Would you be willing to expand on that? I'm curious why it was never going to be. (I've never been the biggest fan either. It's quite refreshing to see somebody not being head over heels about the pairing. So this isn't a "defend yourself" kind of question.)

Sure (also thanks for asking this politely). There are several reasons (listed below)

My biggest reason for this is that they didn’t trust each other. Sirius thought Remus was the spy; he didn’t trust him to be the secret keeper or even to tell him about the switch. Also, Sirius trusted Peter more than Remus during the first war; he trusted Peter to keep the people he loved most in the world (bc that is what the Potters were to him especially James) safe but he didn’t trust Remus. Also, Remus didn’t trust Sirius either. He believed that Sirius was the spy and he believed without question for 12 years that Sirius really did betrayed James and Lily so bc of this I feel like he really didn’t know Sirius at all. Also, I feel like if Sirius really was in love with someone he wouldn’t believe the worst in them and actually trusted them unconditionally. 

The next really big reason is that Sirius literally betrayed Remus. He told Snape how to get pass the Whomping Willow and just really saw the whole thing as a joke. He really doesn’t so much remorse for this and I don’t think he really understood how it could completely destroy Remus’ life if he had killed Snape. which also makes me feel like that Sirius saw the werewolf part of Remus separate from actually Remus when it really isn’t separate from Remus at all (I know this part is kinda headcanony but its something I kinda feel bc of the whole Prank thing). Also, this is the main reason why I don’t think wolfstar would have ever been possible at school (bc I know some people think that it could have be possible at school but not later)

As for after Azkaban, I really just feel like the only reason the two clinged together in a sense was bc they were a reminded of happier times for both of them.  But honestly, they weren’t really there for each other a lot in either got or ootp. Like there really isn’t much contact between the two of them in got but that is mostly bc Sirius is on the run which is understandable. and I know a lot of people say that Remus was really there for Sirius in ootp but I feel like he really wasn’t. Like yes, I know he was on missions for the order which are important but he was barely there for Sirius who was basically living a second Azkaban who was there alone more often than not (like most of the time we see Sirius in ootp he’s alone in Grimmuald Place despite Remus living there)

Also, I personally don’t feel like Sirius or Remus were that close of friends that most people see them as mostly because of the reason above. Like I feel like they were the least closest in the marauders (but this one is more my own interpretation of canon than anything and how I personally feel)

And lastly, I kinda said “it’s not FREAKING canon and never was going to be” bc I really just tired and sick of this ship in general. And really sick of seeing it in almost every marauder headcanon when there is no reason for it. And really my tolerance has really gone down for it and I really sick of people acting like it’s canon when it’s not (also I get really sick of some shippers saying that Tonks was a manipulative bitch and forced him to marry her) This is in no way saying that you can’t ship it or all shippers are like this (bc I do some who arent’) but I just really done with this ship now.

Sorry this got kinda long but the main reason for why I don’t think it ever would have been canon is that they didn’t trust each other (also I feel like it would have been very ooc if they did)

[recklessly-a-pessimist]

I'm totally 100% for bisexual Remus Lupin

But I just can not ship wolfstar

[regvlusarcturus]

Hey first off I adore your blog ! Blackinnon is amazing and you just seem like a great person!:) just a quick question saw wolfstar is your notp, just wondering why you don't like that ship other than the fact that you ship blackinnon :p I ship both so I'm just curious :) have a great day!

awe, omg, thank you so much. it really means a lot to hear that. ^___^

alright, time to talk notp. and time to prepare myself for anon hate later, lol.

obviously shipping blackinnon plays such a big part in it, because i personally don’t get how you can ship one person with two different people. blackinnon is the side i chose, and that’s that. 

buuuuuuuuuut i also just don’t understand where people got this idea of remus and sirius being gay for each other. or just being gay in general. in a way, i can see how remus can be portrayed as maybe bi or pan, but not sirius at all. i mean it’s canon that he has posters of ‘bikini clad’ girls all over his room, and why would he have them up if he was gay? i mean, if he really wanted to piss off orion and walburga, he probably would’ve had guys in speedos up there, because can you imagine how pissed they would be if their son, who’s supposed to get married to a pureblood girl, was gay? if he were, i think it might be something that jk rowling wouldn’t of hesitated to give hints to, like she did with dumbledore. 

also, i read this whole entire seven page speech that i bought for $0.99 on my nook (i forget what it’s called, but look up sirius black or remus lupin on barnes and nobles and i think it comes up), and it was just full of bullshit about why this person thought they were gay. “they got up to more than just the full moon in the shrieking shack” “sirius was hovering over ron that one time with intent of rape” (which is when he was actually looking for pettigrew to kill him). they were horrible reasons that this person pulled out of their ass, like wtf. 

and, lastly, if sirius was going to be gay for anyone (which i don’t think he would be) it would be james. 

edit: also, if remus was in love with sirius or whatever, would he really have thought that he was the traitor?