#writers lie

[deanwasalwaysbi]

I am once again thinking about whether the Amara storyline was real, & how it's much more likely Chuck was never actually in danger, just wanted to be a self insert in his story along Sam and Dean again.

How Chuck lied and said it was beyond his power to bring Gabriel or Michael back, but Michael was in the cage without lucifer and Gabriel was alive.

All following Chuck's gaslight:  "‘I know you had a complicated upbringing, Dean, but don't confuse me with your dad"

[weird-dorky-little-d]

[amethystdivinestar]

I'm sorry, but the best thing to come from this is not seeing post after post blindly defending writers that have done us dirty for years. This is the only show I've ever stuck by from start to finish (well, not really finish because I was waiting to watch if I heard Misha was in it so... now I won't finish it).

But I am grateful to the cast for the years they dedicated to the show and to the Destiel Fandom who has always been my safe haven from the real world.

I'm also grateful to the writers for reinforcing the lack of faith i learned to have in them over the years.

[hi-im-dazey]

My first thoughts on 15x17

Behind the cut for head-canon and spoiler avoidance for them that wants ‘em

Chuck was writing versions. Each version had a different twist to set them on the path to Chuck's ending.

So what was the twist for this Sam-n-Dean that made them able to defy the narrative? Where was the moment that Chuck "screwed" his story and made actual free will?

I'll tell you what I think.

I think Chuck accidentally made one human with free will.

Only one.

Sam Fucking Winchester.

Sam can see and understand exactly what's going on. AND he is coming to realize that he is outside of Chuck’s control.

He knows Dean is being manipulated. Dean is clearly aware of it too, but he doesn't seem able to stop it. So what's the difference?

Sam told us, he told Dean, he told everyone, throughout the show, for 15 years,

‘It’s not who you are; it’s what you do.’

And because of this understanding, he relies on one particular trait of Dean's.

Dean will do literally anything to protect Sam. It's not always the right thing (he doesn't “always like it”) but in the end Sam knows and has always known the magic spell to trigger this trait in Dean. (call it “puppy dog eyes” if you want, but someone having blind trust in you, no matter what, is a helluva drug. Dean is addicted to it.)

But how come? Where did Chuck make his fatal error? What was the twist this time? The one that broke, not only the plot line Chuck wanted, but the character of Sam, as well. Making Sam incapable of following the narrative laid out before him.

I think the moment where Chuck made his mistake was the moment he had John hand the baby to the four-year-old. There’s a reason that’s the scene that kicks this all off.

A moment of extreme trauma and dire importance, literally burnt into Dean's brain.

Setting up this trait in Dean enabled Sam to truly push through any obstacle Chuck's story presented, because he knew Dean had his back when push came to shove.

Nothing bad was ever going to happen to him as long as Dean was around.

It's the song he grew up listening to.

"But," you say, "Everything that ever happened to Sam was quantifiable as ‘bad’!" (the joke of the only stroke of luck Sam Winchester ever had was that coffee cup landing on its ass is sad, but true)

Yes, and don't you think he has noticed that?

He’s given considerable thought to the fact he has survived this long with that much crap, against all odds, largely because of Dean. Anyone else would have been dead the first time and it would have stuck. Yet here he is. This has only reinforced the fact that Dean will try to do anything to save him. Not only will he try to do, he will succeed.

Without Dean he may have died at six months, or any time between then and now. It’s an important revelation when Dean tells Sam about carrying him out of the fire in season 1, Sam did not know that before then, but it makes Dean’s entire character snap into focus for him.

Sam has seen the pattern, he sees the hand of Chuck in their lives. He tries to break them out of the pattern over and over again.

Even before he fully understood what was happening and that it could be broken out of. Or that this was what he was doing. Before he was consciously breaking free, he still broke out of the plot.

Dean sees it too, he's not dumb.

But Dean's life did not belong to anyone, not the way Sam's has always been his responsibility. He only has Sam to help him break out of the hamster wheel, and I think they are just now seeing that.

I think Sam understands now, that for some reason, he is free and can refuse to do what is laid out before him. And, indeed, that he has been refusing his entire life.

He also understands that Dean can break out of the pattern too, but he needs Sam to help him.

Sam is the snapped fingers in the corner of Dean’s eye.

Sam is the trance breaker for Dean.

Sam is that moment of real panic that flooded his system when the house was burning and Sam’s life was in his hands.

That moment, that plot twist, is what broke Chuck’s story.

I’ve said before that the reason Chuck is afraid of Jack is that Jack was not written by Chuck, Jack is what the characters in the story wrote when Chuck left them alone (to go off and play with Amara), and in Unity Chuck admits there were things he “didn’t write”

So someone else must be writing things. When did that start, though? At what point did Chuck lose control of the authorship and accidentally allow another author into his sandbox?

Maybe when John Winchester handed a baby to a four-year-old. Maybe the reason Sam has free will is because he is also capable of writing in Chuck’s world. Or maybe he is capable of writing in Chuck’s world because he has free will.

What we saw in Unity  was Chuck forcing his will on Dean to get to his poetic, tragic ending. He squeezed all of Dean’s rage up to the surface, and added more, he gave him an order direct to his nerve ending, squeezing his ink through Dean’s veins... “This time, fire that gun, boy!” Daddy’s blunt little instrument fed on rage and frustration and anger at being thwarted and impotence at being led on a string...

And Sam, again, snapped his fingers in the corner of Dean’s rage and broke him out. I think we saw Sam beginning to realize that he has the upper hand here.

And I don’t think Chuck has realized that Sam himself is, in fact, the issue.. yet.

Not the bullet hole, or Sam’s hope, or the demon blood, or the latent powers or missed destiny.

Sam’s existence and being are the issue. What Sam DOES, not who he is or was meant to be. Sam’s actual free will is the problem for Chuck. (and take a moment here to remember that almost every crisis Chuck wrote for Sam involved removing Sam’s agency and autonomy.)

He thinks they are all refusing to toe the line, I don’t think he understands that Sam is the one editing his book yet.

And what about Castiel? Well, the moment he shook hands with Sam, he was broken. His chassis may have come off the assembly line cracked, and Naomi may have patched him up time and again, but the second he shook hands with Sam, he was irredeemable for Chuck’s narrative.

Chuck inserts himself in to the story as the prophet, maybe to check in and see what’s going wrong? Figures out that Cass is broken (again?) and takes steps to make an opportunity to “remake” Cass. Then again, once back in Sam’s orbit, Cass is again, broken... there is something that cracks apart for Cass when he interacts with Sam.

This is not a shippy thing, btw. It’s being confronted with a creature that has actual free will... Cass is not equipped to handle that. He left the angel factory without that blind faith setting. He can ‘see’; and he ‘sees’ Sam. Every interaction with Sam shows him what is wrong with the rest of the story.

And again, Chuck rebuilds Cass, and this time traps him in a story where Cass himself is the villain. And Cass was a great villain, that was a good story, no matter how you feel about Cass or Misha, season 6 was a good story.

When Cass returns again, in season 7, hyperbole is gone now, he literally BREAKS himself upon touching Sam. There is no metaphor here, he takes on Sam’s brokenness, with a touch.

(”you’re broken [...]broken toys? You throw them away...”)

The only way Chuck could possibly hope to keep Castiel from being broken is if he can keep him away from Sam.

But Chuck hasn’t realized this yet. He tries to write a narrative that Naomi is “tuning him up as he transgresses” as she has in the past? or as she has in other worlds?

Is Dean what really breaks him free of Naomi?

No, touching the Angel Tablet does it... and again, this is just Chuck, writing his way to his preferred ending. The Narrative Cycle begins again because the Angel Tablet ‘resets’ Cass. This plot point starts us on yet another iteration of the “remove Sam’s agency so one of the brothers sacrifices either himself or the other” cycle.

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Looping back again to the fifth season...

When Chuck says “endings are hard” in Swan Song he’s not talking about writing that ending. That ending was good, it was solid, it closed out the story on a note of melancholy hopefulness, Sam was gone, and the apocalypse averted. It wasn’t happy but it was complete.

That ending wasn’t hard to write.

It was hard for Chuck to read.

Because that wasn’t what he was trying to write, Sam took over his narrative. Sam refused to kill Dean, Sam refused to kill Adam, Sam refused to kill Michael or allow Michael to kill Lucifer, or allow Lucifer to kill either of Sam’s brothers or his own brother.

Sam effectively cock blocked Chuck’s little ‘fratricide 21-ways served in a light creamed-angel sauce with a side order of fried surrogate dad’ all you can eat and there’s dancing after banquet finale.

Cass comes back, almost immediately, because Chuck needs to re-boot the cycle. Because Sam screwed it up for him, again. (Maybe if Chuck takes Sam’s soul out of the equation... he can get some traction on his plan, this time.)

Sam Fucking Winchester is simultaneously Chuck Shurley’s hero, voice, protagonist, and muse.

He’s also Chuck’s biggest problem.

Sam Fucking Winchester is the corner Chuck has written himself into.

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Now this is all just spit balling head-canon, and probably nowhere near where the writers are actually going, but it woke me up early and took over my brain and prevented me from doing my homework (which is also writing, to be honest) until I got it all out of my system.

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Inserting standard disclaimer: (C-A-S-S is how they spell it on the show, and more importantly, it makes screen-reading software for the visually impaired pronounce it correctly; as opposed to C-A-S which makes screen-readers say “Kah.”)

[mittensmorgul]

I'm rewatching S11 and I have some questions... did Chuck create (most of) those other universes specifically to get to the Sam and Dean plot? Like, do you think he had any other characters he repeatedly played with earlier in time, or were Sam and Dean always his endgame? Also, Chuck says that the reason he was gonna give up - and why he stepped away - was cuz he was tired of watching humanity's failures. Was there any truth to that, or has he always solely been focused on the Winchesters?

HELLO! I know you sent this a few days ago, but it’s been a sort of rollercoaster of a week, hasn’t it?

I’m actually kinda glad I held on to this as long as I did, because it’s been pretty effective for taking my mind off the rollercoaster for just a little while. And on that note, let’s start with the loopiest think I’ve thought over this...

What is time, anyway? And are we watching Universe Zero here, or a later iteration? And to a being like Chuck who created all of these universes, do they each exist on a larger scale of cosmic linear time, or do they all sort of exist at once? And that said, is one of the other universes the Prime or Original Universe?

Let that thought sink in, experience your mild existential crisis, and then we will continue down a less distressing line of thought. Well, hopefully this will be less distressing. :’D

We know at least in “our universe,” by which I mean the show’s universe and not our reality (which I’ll be referring to it as throughout this post), that many beings have told Sam and Dean that they were prophesied since the beginning of the universe. Zachariah, Michael, Lucifer, Gabriel, even Castiel-- all of them have said things along those lines to Sam and Dean. But was that actually true? Or, knowing what we know now about Chuck, was that an “edit” to the universe when he saw a place where he could begin manipulating and interfering in his own story? Writing himself into the fabric of the universe?

Or as Billie said in 15.12:

Castiel: Why would God write the blueprint to His own death?

Billie: He didn't. The books write themselves. After God made the world, He couldn't stop. He wanted more. But He needed to create a perfect harmony -- a Swiss watch so that this world could keep tick-tick-ticking in His absence. He had no choice but to build Himself into the framework. It's His only weakness.

Does this mean the universe has always ~been~ woven through with Chuck’s story? Like is this story an essential aspect of his creation, because He created it to be so?

We know there are universes where Sam and Dean were never born, so what happened there? Were these “failed” iterations of his ideal universe? Or experiments just to see what would happen if he changed one thing here or there?

And now my head is starting to hurt again from imagining that all those other universes only spun off when “choices” were made in our universe, just because Chuck wanted to know what would happen if the alternate choice was made. Like the whole of creation was a giant choose your own adventure novel. Because we know that Chuck doesn’t ~truly~ have a human soul, but that his creation eventually became self-aware and developed free will for ourselves, as a byproduct of having human souls, you know?

And from what Billie said, about Chuck not knowing what is in those books that write themselves, Chuck may be woven throughout all of creation, but in the end he’s lost control of that creation, BECAUSE humanity has developed free will and refuses to play his cruel game anymore. Dean, Sam, Castiel, and Jack aren’t interested in playing out the tragic narrative Chuck repeatedly drives them to enact, across all of his universes.

Not even Amara wants any part in enabling Chuck to keep telling his tired old tale of sacrifice and tragedy anymore. I mean, the inciting incident of all creation was merely a mirror for the rest of what was to follow-- Chuck “sacrificing” his sibling so that his story could be played out over and over and over again, on every level. And that goes back to the original apocalypse and the reminder of Cain vs Abel, Michael vs Lucifer, and what was “supposed to be” Sam vs Dean in a battle of Righteousness™. Because ALL of it was Chuck’s self-congratulatory BS to confirm that he was Righteous™ in his  OWN actions having locked Amara away in the first place. And round and round we go.

Ouroboros. 

So Chuck said he stepped away because he was tired of watching humanity’s failures? BS. I call bs on him SO MUCH. he’s been caught out in pretty much every lie there is, you know? Accepting what he says at face value after 14.20 is like... Grand Stupidity on a cosmic scale.

Like, seriously. Go back through EVERYTHING Chuck has ever said, all the way back to 4.18, and you can see his duplicity just in the way he was introduced, lampshaded in 14.20 directly in text when he explicitly and without reservations told Cas flat-out that he’s a writer, and writers lie.

Chuck: You see, this is why people need to lie. It's good. Keeps the peace, you know?

Castiel: Seems like an odd stance for... You.

Chuck: Is it? I'm a writer. Lying's kinda what we do.

So after that, if you believe ANYTHING Chuck said before that point at face value, without at least examining it for a veracity check, I think you’re doing yourself a disservice, you know?

lol lookie there... i went looking for a gif of that scene, and lol when you gif search for “writers lie” it’s one I posted myself :‘D

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Parallels between Supernatural the series and Chuck’s Supernatural

It’s interesting how Castiel was only supposed to be part of Supernatural for 3-4 episodes and has been here for 11 years. He unexpectedly became an integral part of the series in a way that couldn’t be ignored. What a parallel to Chuck’s story—Cas wasn’t supposed to stay in his story, but he did, because he unexpectedly became an integral part of Dean and Sam’s lives in a way that couldn’t be ignored. This wasn’t the intention of the SPN writers initially, and it wasn’t the intention of Chuck, either. Sometimes stories and characters grow in ways we don’t expect. Writers will often say, “I don’t control them [the characters] anymore; they do what they want and I follow.” That’s what’s happened here, both for SPN as a series and in Chuck’s stories. Chemistry happened. Choices happened. The characters are their own, independent selves now, hurtling toward an ending destined for them based on their choices, not based on what the writer(s) of the story want them to do. I’m very optimistic about a positive end for Supernatural.

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[charliethechocolateeater]

Sam in season 2: yeah, I pray everyday and I have for years

Sam in season 14: *shoots god*