#yaoi discourse

[thriftedflannel]

to each their own and all that but it irks me when people draw huskerdust's dynamic like this:

when it is far more accurately depicted like this:

again, personal preference, but the top gets really old fast, especially because it's rehashed ad nauseam in fandom spaces. give yourself a treat. embrace the loserguy x absolute knockout drag queen dynamic today.

[skeletonwithaskinsuit]

I know I rant about the yaoi/yuri discourse too often and no one cares but I gotta say-

The yuri community acts really terfy sometimes, and it's weird that they continuously exlude masc lesbian representation and then act surprised when we like yaoi more

- a lesbian fujoshi

[hounneybuonney]

I never really understood the argument that “Yaoi and BL removes women from these stories, so women can enjoy it without a fear of misogyny” because misogyny still exists in BL.

Whether it’s degrading women to one-note villains, misogynistic stereotypes and tropes or characterizing sexist ideas onto feminized male characters, the same misogynistic beliefs are still being repeated just for fictional gay men. Simply because women aren’t a love interests doesn’t mean that misogyny just goes away.

[wormchamp72]

But Yaoi is LGBTQ+ too, worm! To disregard it is to disregard a part of the community!

I do NOT disregard yaoi. I only disregard “SLOP” yaoi made for no other purpose than 2 watch two men “slender each other’s mansion” in grotesque fashion with NO regards for characterization. I DETEST such tasteless objectification. Gay men are not objects. They are not mere items of desire. They are PEOPLE. With FEELINGS. How do you think JefLIU feels when people write non consensual (as in they did not ask Homicidal Liu for permission) yaoi about them and do not even respect their pronouns?

I only indulge in the occasional artisanal, hand-crafted (with love and respect!) yaoi, written by someone who knows what they’re talking about and care about more than just “getting their rocks off.” The kind of literature that would make your grandmother weep.

See, Anon? I do not “disregard” yaoi. I EMBRACE it.

[treffys-thunder-thighs]

*drops this meme before running in the opposite direction like I’ve just detonated a bomb*

[nanasketchdump]

'Autonomy'

[imaginative-123]

The Yaoi Community is so ignorant to the issues other gay men faced from toxic yaoi fangirls

Warning: Minors do not retweet, interact or like my posts if I found out you're a minor you might get blocked.

Btw I'm not using f*joshi bec I found out it's a misogynistic term so I'll use Yaoi fangirls although the people using that term when it comes to criticism for Yaoi Fangirls may not realized it's a sexist term and I used that word before and not realizing it was sexist, just bec you may not seen a yaoi fangirl assaulting gay men for not having sex that doesn't excuse blind ignorance of sexual harassment gay men faced from yaoi fangirls. Also I'm not ignoring if there are other queer women who experienced being assaulted by men and I've seen other women who have issues with men in how they seen lesbians and I think they deserved better, also I used to consumed real life gay porn from websites in the past not until I found out recently that there are few stories of gay guys who tell their horrifying stories from the sex industry that includes a gay sex worker who was abused from his work and disliked Hazbin Hotel's depiction of SA and his thoughts on Poison, it just pisses me off that the Yaoi community will be ignorant to bad behaviors the community has been criticized for years by gay men who have valid criticisms so that they can defend themselves of using terms like Misogyny or the classic "You just hate women that can't enjoy BL!" When there's problematic behaviors in the community that's been a problem.

Yes the women who did this to him is Sexual Harassment, it's gross.

For the last comment there are guys I've seen who were also hated for fetishization, there are people having heated discussions on that from what I've seen.

Also this is the worst one bec this is really disgusting, an asian man was being helped by a man on his chest bec I believe this is related to injury from the Olympics and guess what the toxic yaoi fangirls make art and sexualized him. This is Online Sexual Harassment, this is distasteful to be honest, poor guy he deserved better.

This comment definitely surprised me

Hello?! Just bec there are certain men who did bad things to women that doesn't mean other women can do bad things to men, can we acknowledge that Sexual Harassments on both genders is bad?

This is all I have to post, I'm a Yaoi fangirl for all these years ever since I started as a teen, I used to have sh#tty views on men in the past during my Yaoi and Proshipper phase back then but as of growing up I'm starting to try and be open about the real issues in real life and I'm trying my best to be open and understanding as possible, and btw I'm no longer a Proshipper and I'm still a Yaoi fangirl but as someone who is part of the community, I can't just ignore the issues and normalization of bad behaviours and sexism of the community which is unfortunate it gives the Yaoi fangirls who don't participate in bad behaviours a bad name and it's sad bec there are times I feel ashamed of being a Yaoi fangirl, and what I'm hoping is that the Yaoi Community should call out bad behaviours instead of trying to act like being innocent all the time and did nothing wrong but also try to blame Misogyny as a defense card when people criticize their bad behaviors. Also Toxic Yaoi fangirls who participate in bad behaviours can be Misandrists themselves towards straight and gay men. Yes Misandry exists, stop trying to tell me it doesn't exist it's like saying Misogyny can't exist, Sexism in both genders can exist in Society.

The reason I brought up Hazbin Hotel bec I'm going to make a second post about Viv's sexist views on gay men since I've made a post on Helluva Boss and that second post on Hazbin will take time since I have college workload to do in Thesis and Foreign Language and Visual Effects. So if you're interested reading my analysis and criticisms of Viv's work here's the link.

Why Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss have a Misandry Issue Part 1

A part of me questions myself if I have to make this post, but then I decided in my free time I finally let go of my doubts and have finally

[misterallsunday030]

weird question but does yaoi/yuri have to be strictly romantic? always find it interesting that I rarely see any manga that's just about a gay friend group or something similar. does it always have to center around unrequited love and sex? that seems to be the only ones people talk about