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mf had some bomb ass lore and ubisoft really said "yup, he's got all the answers, we have to kill him."
ANYWAY, case in point, loved the brief amount of time we have with the guy. Seriously though, imagine if Darpan actually lived? If he were allowed to be an actual lead character? Too bad he needed to be forked and fried on a grill to prove Pagan is kinda nuts ngl
Part of Yuma’s whole thing is that it’s glaringly obvious that the people who wrote her looked on her with all the humanity of a. Well an asian female video game character made by white guys in the early 2010s. None of her attributes or beliefs are sourced in anything tangible, she has whatever characteristics are necessary to drive drama, she’s got a cold affect and is hot physically and that’s about it. Riveting. They didn’t bother to remember the backstory they gave her in the closest thing to a next installment, the DLC, and the summation we get of her only meaningful relationship there is far fetched at best (hey guess what the orphaned girl two decades younger than him who Pagan Min made into a military combatant before her 18th birthday after co-opting all of her resources was actually a parental figure of sorts. That’s the dynamic here right.) Buuut she’s got the benefit of being at the center of the most immersive part of the game and at crux of two interesting characters so like, you can fill in the blanks yourself.
She’s Pagans consigliere who did all the heavy lifting amidst his descent into madness: Pagan who was keeping a mother hostage after killing her children. How did Yuma feel about that, on account of her own parents being assassinated when she was a child? How did she go about managing it? Ever feel a twinge of empathy? She seems to have imprinted on Kyrat’s culture in spite of the fact that it’s in decline. It’s hard to believe she was 100% on every choice Pagan made regarding religion, which being isolated from him helped her get away with. She hates Paul, even though they’re both prison wardens and sadists: probably on account of how little he appreciate the culture she’s projected onto. How much of her still needs Pagan and how much of her is comfortable rebelling? Who taught her to be such a good military commander? Who got her into Kyrati mythology?
You can do something with all this, is what I mean. She’s not written well or with much care by any fucking means but she’s still a character worth exploring.
Such great points, Yuma always came off as a sort of fetishization as opposed to a real character and I feel like she could have had a bigger role than what she had gotten.
Not even mentioning the FC6 dlc's writing, the writer apparently never played FC4 so of course there was no mentions about the many noyes hinting at her fascination and descent into Kyrati mythos/beliefs. She's got a lot of potential indeed :( they just did her dirty.
I also think it's also due to how hastily the fc4's northern map was designed. Northern Kyrat feels very unfinished compared to most of the south part, and I'm assuming the team just didn't have enough time to implement as much as they did in South Kyrat. It's kinda sad
I had a shower thought the other day about the Pagan Control DLC in FC6,
Does Pagan see Ajay as a stereotypical American douchebag? It would explain why Ajay sounds like a cheesy frat-boy if it's all in Pagan's mind as opposed to what and who Ajay is written like as a character, right?
Like it's probably not intentional, sure... But.
Pagan practically talks at Ajay rather than to him a lot of the time, so maybe Pagan never internalized what Ajay actually sounds like while being so caught up in what Ajay represents to himself and Ishwari, as well as Kyrat? Some dumb frat-boy that came into the country living a good life of luxury in a "first world country" rather than a guy probably living underneath the poverty line with a single mother struggling to make ends meet until she gets sick and dies.
Also, another thought now: is it possible or likely that Ajay joined that robbery prior to the game in order to help pay off medical bills for his mother? Like, it's definitely not implied anywhere, but couldn't that theoretically be the case? I'm assuming she died from a terminal illness, but Idr tbh.
Anyways, late night shower thoughts! Yay!
I'm really enjoying the thoughts yall are giving me about my late night shower thought lolol,
You guys definitely are putting some good thought into it and I'm very happy to read them <3 thank you
Some Pagan Min deleted dialog I stumbled upon
Sadly, the lines below are not available as sound files, but thankfully, they still exist in the Far Cry 4 oasisstrings file!
First, I found this exchange between Pagan and Ajay. I suppose the first radio call in which he proudly says he had the chef and/or his family executed is what then replaced it:
Pagan Min: Ajay... you didn’t like the Crab Rangoon? Who doesn't like fried crab? Ajay: Pagan? Pagan Min: I mean...I’m not too offended, it's my fault. You have your mother’s adventurous spirit, I should have realized you wouldn't wait. Ajay: Wait? You’re a fucking psycho. Pagan Min: Now, Ajay... who joins a terrorist movement they know nothing about? Who kills soldiers who are keeping Kyrat safe from the Golden Path threat? Pagan Min: Look, I don’t want to get into the politics of this. If you want to play with the monkeys, then play with the monkeys. Just don't get yourself all covered in shit. Ajay: Fuck that guy.
Then, there’s this call about Paul:
You've been a busy boy, but I haven’t lost hope in you nope. I’ll call this an “exercise in cultural immersion.” After all, I suppose you should learn where you are from, who your father was, blah blah blah. Oh! Speaking of cultural immersion, you really must take time to go and visit Paul at his "City of Pain". Oh! He always throws fabulous parties before he heads home. Although given your recent activities I doubt you could just show up at the front gate and convince them that I sent you, but I’m sure you’ll find a way in. Hint. Hint. Say hi to Paul for, and Ajay, do avoid any exchange of bodily fluids. You'll get the herp.
And this other one which is very intriguing and ominous:
Ajay I’ve let you run free for long enough. I’m afraid it’s time to call you home, you are my finest creation, but when I let you break your programming, well you’ve seen the mess you can make. What? You think you are free? You think you just woke up on a bus in Kyrat with super powers? Is this the heartbreaking moment when the android discovers that he isn’t sentient after all? That his memories are all implanted? That everything is a lie? And then he suddenly realizes that he can’t even cry human tears! [beat] Don’t worry my boy, it’s nothing that interesting, you it would seem, just have a little too much of your father’s blood in you.
Finally, there are also these lines, I suppose for the very end of the game if you don’t shoot Pagan at the table but then attack him after bringing Ishwari back to Lakshmana:
Now, now, I thought we had a moment back there!
Is that a proper "Thank You"? I just gave you a country!
Manners, Ajay. Gun safety starts with you!
There could be even more but I thought these were interesting!
I had a shower thought the other day about the Pagan Control DLC in FC6,
Does Pagan see Ajay as a stereotypical American douchebag? It would explain why Ajay sounds like a cheesy frat-boy if it's all in Pagan's mind as opposed to what and who Ajay is written like as a character, right?
Like it's probably not intentional, sure... But.
Pagan practically talks at Ajay rather than to him a lot of the time, so maybe Pagan never internalized what Ajay actually sounds like while being so caught up in what Ajay represents to himself and Ishwari, as well as Kyrat? Some dumb frat-boy that came into the country living a good life of luxury in a "first world country" rather than a guy probably living underneath the poverty line with a single mother struggling to make ends meet until she gets sick and dies.
Also, another thought now: is it possible or likely that Ajay joined that robbery prior to the game in order to help pay off medical bills for his mother? Like, it's definitely not implied anywhere, but couldn't that theoretically be the case? I'm assuming she died from a terminal illness, but Idr tbh.
Anyways, late night shower thoughts! Yay!
Red crowned crane Yuma plus asiatic lion Pagan | old art
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some sketches on fc4.
I suddenly remembered that I really liked the Goat and wanted to draw him..
When I was like 14 I wanted to do a comic about him and did a whole bunch of traditional sketches before I ended up phasing out of existence- this feeds my inner child lmao ♡
My very silly doodles done very quickly because hehemonkeh
the reason bhadra doesn’t interest most people in the fandom is probably because, unlike diego, we don’t get to have the time to get to know her. and it feels completely unfair to her as a character because diego’s time in the trailers, promotional material and the game was completely rendered significant because he was taken seriously as a character and was given development and time especially with his relationships with other characters.
but what about bhadra? bro we don’t even have a conversation between bhadra and sabal. bhadra gets talked about in hypotheticals by rabi. all she has left, past the fact sabal just Talks About her but never is shown directly interacting with her, is amita and ajay.
who is she to ajay? a helpless kid that he sees as a sister most definitely. she’s special to him because he knows she’s important to amita and sabal, but what do we know on a personal level between them? the wiki is unreliable due to conflicting sources but it’s mentioned in bhadra’s page that ajay’s “impressed by her maturity” which probably comes from their brief interaction in the cutscene of her mission. he tries to be there for her all the time but ultimately ends up failing her and has no way of fixing it no matter what he does. which imo isn’t the fault of the writing, if you could believe that. i think it’s because it emphasizes that ajay doesn’t really need to know these people and never should have overstayed his welcome. (because he’s a foreigner in his own home and all.) i guess it makes sense that we won’t ever be able to even face bhadra by the time the game ends, because what would ajay even say to her?
who is she to amita? well, in the beginning, amita seems very caring and concerned for her nature. lots of people interpret her relationship with bhadra as maternal and it makes sense because she genuinely acts like such a mother. touching, holding, disciplining, all until the very end where she “got rid of her.” which, to many people (including me) would mean that she killed bhadra. i know there are people who say this doesn’t make any sense, but think about it. amita’s thing is being manipulative. she’s a player for people’s lives and only cares about results and progress and whatever the fuck. bhadra is a threat to her progress because she’s aware that she’s a symbol of tradition and people will take her as the leader instead, people will even find hope in her and bring her up to be that. amita wouldve wanted her to be a test subject for the children she’d enslave, but ultimately her plans would be foiled if bhadra continued to live. in amita’s eyes, the girl had to go, and she has enough inhumanity in her to make sure bhadra went where amita wanted her to be.
who is she to sabal? well. it’s all in the game’s cutscenes, considering how little we know of their dynamic. what we do know is that bhadra does his bidding. a lot. “sabal says i shouldn’t be doing this” to bhadra seemingly tending to some temple attendants to being forced to watch amita’s followers die, she does everything in his word for… what reason, exactly? is it just because he’s an adult? or does she just want someone to tell her what to do? in a world where she’s forced to mature due to so many losses we don’t know what sabal is to her that makes bhadra so compliant to him. is he a father figure to her? how well do they even know each other? the one thing we can gather from sabal’s perspective of her is an easy to miss note that’s also found in the oasisstrings talking about how bhadra should have the freedom of childhood before transitioning to tarun matara, which is ironic, (and imo ooc because i don’t think he’s really kind to bhadra) considering we wouldn’t know if he even cared all too much.
all we get is speculation the further we move past her relationships with ajay and amita. and that sucks, because it would’ve been so awesome to have bhadra fleshed out as much as diego was— and as much as i compare these two, their distinction is always fascinating to me. bhadra couldn’t decide where diego could. in terms of fate, in terms of death, in terms of life. diego had the autonomy to run away, to kill a man, to let himself die. what did bhadra have? nothing. and that’s how you’re reminded that she’s just a child who has no control over anything in her life. it makes sense, doesn’t it?
and that’s just touching on the surface of what bhadra is as a character to the story. what do we know of her as a person? does she have hobbies? she has two skills, first aid and shooting. does she have any thoughts to share to the whole world in the form of easy to miss notes? does she have any food she likes? dislikes? what does she fear the most? what does she love the most?
well… i don’t know. we don’t know her. and i wish we did.
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my fav siblings duo
No for real, they are so siblings, thank you for soul nourishment, it's beautiful ♡♡♡
Started playing Far Cry 4 again for like the millionth time. I just cleared the first outpost and I got all the Golden Path calling me their savior, that I am meant for greatness.
And since I know already all the story, I am crying because I am realizing truly how lost Ajay is in all of this—he is trying his best for his mother’s homeland while also trying to realize who he is and what does it mean that there is a legacy people expect him to continue on.
His father was murdered, he does not know why, the only person willing and that can give him answers is the fucking dictator that did not leave a good first impression, his is trying to mediate between Sabal and Amita, and ughhhh.
He is lost in where it is supposed to be his country, and he doesn’t know if he is doing right or wrong, but he only knows that people cry to him, and that nobody else pulls the trigger when it should matter :(
“Who else pulls the trigger here?”
AJAY BABY.
I definitely need to write a fanfic in which the civil war gets peacefully resolved because everyone realizes Ajay is literally the appropriate person to rule Kyrat—he is favored by the Golden Path followers, due to his parents and also his great dees, but he is also appointed by Pagan Min as the heir to the throne.
THE SOLUTION IS THEREEEEEE
(this reminds me of the DLC in Far Cry 6… sounds to me like it is implied Ajay assumed the role of King and nuked Montana LMAO)
Fr tho this is why I'm a fc4 fan through and through
Far Cry 4 thoughts:
• Has anyone noticed that one of the insults hurled at Ajay from the enemies translates to "Sister f***er"? Given what happened to Ajay's sister... Damn, that's brutal. The only decency in it was that he had no idea that he even had a sister.
• Amita says at one point that Sabal has the numbers and is more popular in the Golden Path for leadership, which is an interesting subtlety-- Mohan and Sabal were both sexist AF about women not being involved outside support tasks-- so it follows that of course the people there would be dudes with similar ideas as Sabal. (Even though there are women on the frontlines.)
• Going on from THAT, if Amita is chosen as leader and doesn't have the numbers, wouldn't it be clearly obvious that the opposition would take them down even if you killed Sabal and sided with her? Like, canon sets it up as Kyrati as being a place of toppling the leader and about military and physical strength. Even if Amita "wins", that doesn't seem like it's going to work for long.
• I keep seeing a lot of people saying "Pagan Min wasn't that bad!" Like... Nah. I know he's gorgeous and clever and hilarious and I love him as a character. He did do *some* humane things and cared about some people close to him. He wasn't sexist, wasn't homophobic and didn't throw people in jail for using drugs. He didn't use religion to push his rule. In pretty much every other way, he was ABSOLUTELY FUCKING TERRIBLE, but I guess when you've endured Donald Trump as President, I can sorta see how Min would look like a lesser evil.
• When I realised Ajay could ride elephants, and that no one else did, was when I started thinking, "Okay, he has some mystical connection with the land and something godlike going on." Then the thangka thing happened and I was like, "Descendant of Kalinag head canon unlocked."
• One thing I find fascinating about the game is how music gets used. Like there are hints in the lyrics of some of the songs as to the direction of the story- "Should I Stay or Should I Go" is pretty blatant, but towards the end, when Ajay is starting to become more aware of how he's being used by Amita/Sabal there's that line in "Bombay Twist" - "Why are you driving the taxi?" which makes that explicit-- and then when "The River" starts playing as you approach Pagan at the end, "...And you still owe me something... More than this" it feels pretty obvious that there's a need for Ajay to get closure beyond revenge.
But, yeah. I wish I had found this fandom when it was in its heyday because there is so much in the details and it's like, eh, no one around to discuss stuff with. :(
oh btw im mentally ill over far cry 4 and 5 so there's that too I guess
I'll blow out the candles, happy birthday to me Got your whole life ahead of you, you're only 14 But I fear that they already got all the best parts of me
actually it’s a redraw of a same thing i did before that i wasn’t quite happy about before lol
ISHWARI
I feel like Ishwari would baby Ajay a TON, and then just flip the script when she's mad at him like, "See? This is why I sent you to that military school!"
everytime i bring up yakshini in my brain i feel like those yakshini enthusiasts that you get tasked to kill on random karma events because of how insane it makes me. its like im being gaslit into thinkng she doesn't exist but she does. insanity
