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Podcast Like It's the 1990's: The Avengers
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Some responses to katie dating are ridiculous. Some are jokes of it should be me, thats funny, some wish it was a woman but are happy for her, thats fair. But so many are yelling that shes betrayed her fans or that shes now GOT to be straight and saying that she never should have shared the information because 'who asked, I don't want to hear it'... its just so weird and biphobic and if youre telling her to shut up when shes clearly super happy I don't think youre really a fan of her, youre just using her like a barbie doll (you being those fans, not you specifically, just to be clear) I cant believe theres this much discourse over her sharing how happy she is
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The biphobia has been ridiculous and y’all know how I feel about that (just go back to the last spate of anons).
I’m never going to pass judgment on who I think is a “real” fan or not because you can still be a fan of someone regardless of how you’re treating them because the definition of a fan has nothing to do with your well wishes for that person. I think that’s why we have the term “fair-weathered fan,” though in this scenario fair weather is in the eye of the beholder I suppose.
I agree with what you said about people treating her essentially like a Barbie doll and I will never condone that, and at the same time I also know that humans are complicated and most of us are really just doing the best we can. That doesn’t mean it’s healthy or okay for people to treat her like that in a public forum - they should do some self reflection and see a therapist. However, simply feeling those feelings is morally neutral, and I personally don’t have an issue hearing about those feelings as long as they are not posting publicly about them in destructive or accusatory ways. As in I wouldn’t mind people posting about them in a way that is thoughtful, curious, and kind (though I haven’t seen that happen yet).
Bottom line, some people are (subjective) fair-weather fans, everyone has their own stuff they’re working through, but regardless of any of that what people post should be constructive and kind (which is different than nice, and that’s a whole separate post lol) and keep in mind that she is a real person, not a character or Barbie doll.
And also. No one needs to white knight Katie for her sake. She’s already protected herself by not having socials. She’s never once asked for that, and it only breeds in-fighting. If you’re going to call something out, do it because what is being said is harmful in general. I am tired of this space being a battleground on behalf of someone who doesn’t even know (or care?) that it’s happening.
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Actually it's not nuanced at all, you're just a parasocial moron who can't seem to get a clue
Hi Anon! Social Psych master’s degree over here, happy to help clear up any confusion you might have about what the term "parasocial" really means.
Parasocial relationships are an extremely normal psychological phenomenon.. They’re one-sided emotional attachments people develop to public figures, fictional characters, creators, athletes, etc. Most people have experienced them in some form (e.g. grieving the death of a celebrity that you don’t know personally). Humans form emotional connections through media . That’s just how brains work. They become unhealthy when they cross boundaries, create entitlement, or distort reality.
Parasocial does not mean “someone having feelings about a public figure I personally think are cringe.”
To me, the absolute funniest part of this entire discourse is that literally everyone involved is engaging in parasocial behavior.
People spiraling because Katie is dating a man? Parasocial.
People white-knighting Katie and acting like they’re her Official Defender? Also parasocial.
People trying to decide who is and isn’t a “real fan”? Deeply parasocial.
Anonymous strangers sending hate messages over Tumblr discourse about an actress they do not know personally? Please be serious.
At this point the word has basically lost all meaning online because people use it as shorthand for “you care in a way I don't like (or that makes me uncomfortable),” when the reality is this: parasocial attachment itself is morally neutral. It’s just a form of mediated social/emotional connection humans naturally develop with public figures.
The issue is not, “Did someone feel disappointed for a second?”
Rather, it’s, “How do they behave because of that feeling?”
It’s boundaries and behavior, not feelings.
There is a massive difference between, “Huh. I’ll admit I’m a little bummed,” and, “This is disgusting,” “delete this,” “I’m going to throw up,” etc.
Likewise, there’s also a difference between, “Hey, maybe don’t say vile things about a real woman’s relationship,” and “If you’re upset at all you’re a fake fan and a bad person.”
Both extremes flatten a nuanced emotional/social dynamic into black-and-white purity politics because apparently nobody online can tolerate complexity or discomfort for longer than six seconds.
Or a different perspective/lived experience. Fun fact, people are especially prone to form parasocial attachments with public figures whose work intersects with identity, representation, comfort, aspiration, or belonging -- and Katie’s fanbase is absolutely shaped by those intersections.
A lot of queer fans got attached because she’s played queer characters, has had years of chemistry-heavy roles with women, has engaged with queer audiences, and has made comments people interpreted in different ways. That is not some horrifying moral failure. That is an extremely human response to media and representation.
What matters, then, is how people behave about it.
Feeling something? Normal.
Being weirdly entitled about it? Not normal.
Sending anonymous hate messages because someone said “this situation is nuanced”? Ironically one of the most terminally parasocial things you could possibly do.
Like I’m sorry, but anonymously DMing someone “you parasocial moron” over Katie McGrath discourse is genuinely making me laugh. Kinda like someone running an entire blog dedicated to Katie McGrath then acting morally superior about other people’s parasocial relationships with her in the tags.
Tbh the MOST parasocial behavior here is people acting like they need to personally manage Katie McGrath’s fandom, her emotional wellbeing, and her public image. I'm sorry but none of us know this woman. She is not our mutual friend from work. She is an actress.
We are ALL on Tumblr Dot Com right now. Let’s not start pretending any of us are morally superior, perfectly objective, detached observers.
Note: I don't want to condone unhealthy attachment shit. Get a therapist and deal with it there, not here in a public forum. Like I said, boundaries and behavior, folks.
"Delete this" "lalalala I don't hear anything" "I'm gonna throw up" "I wish I hadn't seen this"
Just some of the comments I have seen on clips from the latest podcast ep, in which Katie talks about watching the movie with her boyfriend. A boyfriend she seems pretty damn happy with.
I get that people love the idea of her being queer. And maybe she is. Dating a man doesn't rule out the possibility of her being bi. But this is a real human, with real feelings, not a fictional character.
If you're a real fan of hers, you should just be happy that our favourite Irish beauty is happy, and that we're fortunate enough that this notoriously private woman is letting us have these little tidbits about her personal life.
No one, and I mean no one, should be upset or complaining. She is happy.
Note: I SUPER DUPER APPRECIATE that this post isn't contributing to the bi-erasure I've been seeing all over the place about her!!!!!!! Thank youuuuuu!
That being said...I do still have some thoughts.
People are allowed to be bummed. Period. Full stop. We control our responses to our emotions, not the emotions themselves.
Pretending it's not happening, making comments about how it's gross, etc. are responses I'm not fond of, either.
But saying someone isn't a real fan if they are even a little bummed that what they are hearing isn't the representation they've hoped for (for a community that she has absolutely implied she could be a part of a million different times and has played characters who are explicitly a part of it) is also gross. Not to mention that many people who are saying those things are saying them with varying levels of jest.
OP also criticized people with their tag about parasocialing...but feeling the need to defend someone you don't know in a way that is trying to separate the "real" fans from the -- what, "fake" fans? -- is ALSO a parasocial relationship in action. AND PARASOCIAL RELATIONSHIPS ARE NOT A BAD THING MOST PEOPLE HAVE THEM IT IS A PSYCHOLOGICAL PHENOMENON YOU HAVE A WHOLE BLOG DEDICATED TO THIS WOMAN FFS.
Anyway. Parasocial relationships are incredibly nuanced. Sexual orientation is incredibly nuanced. The emotional experience of belonging to a marginalized group is incredibly nuanced.
This thing with Katie's fans reacting to her dating a man is - you guessed it - an incredibly nuanced thing. And, as such, it requires nuanced takes.
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Podcast Like It's the 1990's: The Avengers
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