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literally just made this blog so that i can have an excuse to yap about movies and TV separate from my main lol
Alex shared this on BlueSky.
This theory makes so much sense.. "Zooble, look at this cool bee I drew!" He was hoping to take Zooble's mind off their issues while also expecting praise because his creators were so proud of him for being able to make a bee. If his creators loved the bee, why wouldn't the humans trapped in the circus not like it? They're gonna be so proud!
Plus Caine put bees on all his important works. His personal notepad where he comes up with adventure ideas and the blueprints he gave to Abel. The bee provides him with inspiration and is a reminder that it's possible to have validation and that his work means something and is possible to be proud of.
Given the timelines of events, it sounds to me that Caine had figured out a routine that worked for his needs (that he has due to unresolved trauma).
Make an adventure -> Have all humans go on that adventure -> Have feedback and reassurance that it was good due to their reactions within said adventure or because they didn't complain. -> Feel good about doing a good job.
Rinse and repeat.
What also probably helped that feedback loop is that Jax and his friends Ribbit and Kaufmo had a great time as a friend group within the circus. And so all the other humans also didn't mind the adventures too much, because everyone kinda had their support networks.
And then Zooble comes along and shows Caine that his way of coping isn't mentally healthy for the humans in the circus actually.
If anything, Zooble did him and the other humans a favor by telling him that his behavior is awful to the people he supposedly loves.
And the tragedy is that he had realized he was awful to the humans (according to Alex Rochon, his VA) and then he gets fucking deleted off the planet. I am going to scream.
Okay so someone may have to sedate me
Caine's VA and Gooseworx on Bluesky
The Tragedy of Caine : A Psychoanalysis & Character Study 🤍🐝
Warning, this is a very long post because the teeth gentleman's beeswax-polished coconut is deeply fascinating to me. There are so many more things I wanted to address but this is the crux of it.
Disclaimer: Nothing in this post is meant to excuse Caine's actions. I simply find the way his mind works, and the way the show goes from his perspective, to be very interesting and complex.
Happy reading!
I know that everyone's obsessing over the "Caine is basically AM" pipeline right now, but I would like to point out that right before his infamous meltdown he straight up admits that torturing humans doesn't bring him any joy.
My man literally got bored of being evil human-hating machine after one adventure and few one-offs with the crew. Because he's not AM. He wasn't programmed to hurt people and doing so is not fulfilling to him in any way.
He was meant to entertain people. I also believe that one of his core commands as a AI is "to have fun" since he brings this up quite often.
He tried to work around it by thinking "Well, maybe they're not having fun, but at least I will!" when he started tormenting them. But it didn't work and he started second guessing himself.
Caine was on the brink of realising that what he was doing is stupid. Something that AM wasn't even close to after over a century of senseless torture. Do not bring him to the same level as a mad war machine.
Something I noticed. A. Pomni not scared of Caine at all. B. Pomni's a jester and she pretty much heckled a King since Caine sees himself as such. C. What do Entertainers Hate? A Heckler.
I'm fascinated by the line "don't need to scream if you ain't got a mouth" that Caine delivers in his villain song, because while it's obviously the strongest reference to I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream in the entire show, I think it also starkly illustrates the biggest difference between Caine and AM: that Caine is way, way more vulnerable to criticism.
The original line is delivered by the last human: it's Ted's sad internal lament that he's become unable to even express his pain, which is its own form of psychological horror. It's AM's final, cruelest joke. But here the line is instead delivered BY the AI. Caine did his best to please the humans. But the humans just WON'T stop complaining! And that's torture for him. So rather than listening to them, which would take willingness to reflect and improve, he just takes their mouths away, so they can't complain anymore.
Rather than being a cruelty inflicted on the humans, it reframes the whole line as a way for the AI to protect its ego. It's Caine going "la la la I can't hear you." It's not a clever form of torture, it's just pathetic and childish. Caine's ego is his biggest flaw. And it's what gets him killed.
imagine spending your entire life trying to please humans and they're never happy with you. imagine you're born a prototype and you're imperfect and your creators cast you aside in a little box and you break out and still you want to please everyone, but you don't know how to because you're faulty and wrong and bad. and everyone keeps telling you you're bad and faulty, even if they're not your programmers and they don't know you they can still tell and even if you're a god you're still failing. and the day you decide to stop pleasing humans, the moment you snap, they kill you. imagine. this happened to my good friend caine btw
gang how are we feeling about this rn
TADC EP.8 SPOILERS (THOUGHTS AND THEORIES)
CAINE SAID MIND FILES. THAT THEIR BODY FIT THEIR MIND FILES?? MINDS SCANNED INTO THE CIRCUS AND NOT THE ACTUAL PERSON THEORY CONFIRMED?? (this could be a stretch) Also notice how when ragatha shows up Caine doesn't say "A new human!" he says "A new mind!!"
CAINES GONE?? HES DEAD.
I THINK WHAT THE BEGIINING SEQUANCE WAS SAYING (also caines lines backed this up)-
-IS THAT CAINE WAS THE ROUGH PROGRAM, (the red) BUT THEN SOMETHING NEW WAS CREATED. (the blue) AND THEY STORED CAINE AWAY BUT HE GOT SO JEALOUS HE CONSUMED THE BLUE, MADE IT APART OF HIMSELF. (caine could have been the blues orignal name before out caine stole it as Kinger mentioned he couldn't remember what they originally called Caine. I also think this cause "Caine" and "AI" were two different folders on the computer kinger was using) BUT I THINK THAT HES A MOUTH ADDS SO MUCH TO THIS, HE QUITE LITERALLY DEVOURED THE BLUE AI, MADE IT APART OF HIM, LIKELY BEFORE IT WAS EVEN FINISHED AS WE SEE THE RED AI GET WAY MORE DATA PUT INTO IT THEN THE BLUE DID.
SINCE SCRATCH HAD A TUMOR, I THINK HE MADE THE CIRCUS AS A PLACE WHERE HIS MIND COULD LIVE ON EVEN AFTER HE DIED (but probablly didn't mean for his coworkers to get roped into it)
ALSO THE KNIFE IN RAGATHAS EYE?? DEF CONFIRMED HER MOM DID SOMETHING TO HER EYE WHEN SHE WAS A HUMAN.
JAX NO LONGER MASKING??
ZOOBLES TORTURE SCENE REMINDED ME OF THAT SCENE IN ONE OF THE TOY STORY MOVIES WHERE THEY WERE ALL ABOUT TO BE BURNED ALIVE
WHAT CAINE DID WITH GUMMIGO AND POMNI WAS FUCKED UP I GASPED SO LOUD
(Also smaller theory that I'm not 100% sold on, Bubble being whats left from the blue ai. Maybe caine couldn't fully get rid of it.)
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tadc episode 8 is in 5 days so time to share my wild theory that will probably be 10000000% wrong but it's fun to speculate anyways!!!
drumroll pleaseeeeeeee...
my theory is that BUBBLE is actually in charge of the circus, or at least is in some position of higher power than caine.
alright that's all folks
we've gotten 2 whole teasers (3 if you count whatever is going on with the wacky watch site rn) for ep 8, and i am SO scared for this episode, but also SO ready for caine to have the most valid crashout ever
march 20th we are ALL dying yall
some of the people making posts saying Caine is being intentionally cruel and mocking need to like. actually rewatch the show and maybe try talking to an autistic person. because it feels like some of them never have.
like. in no way is there evidence that he does these things out of malice? Goose has said he's oblivious and can't feel certain emotions and that he isn't evil? if he was AM he would have made Kinger Abstract because of the things he might know. he would have gotten rid of Zooble. he wouldn't have looked so confused when Jax yelled at him saying he "made him press the button". He cannot understand. nothing he does is out of cruelty. it's out of ignorance and a dangerous amount of love.
and yet people keep going "oh he's abusive like AM" meanwhile they call Jax, who is lowkey actually misogynist, and who Gangle has said, OUT LOUD, that she's afraid of him hurting her, a "sweet guy deep down". like. okay. you really are just taking everything that makes these two characters interesting and throwing it out the window to get your one dimensional good vs evil shit.
Jax is interesting because he's done some shit or been through some shit that has affected him so badly that he'd rather condemn the other humans to being trapped in the Circus then escaping, even if he doesn't like it there either.
Caine is interesting because he loves humans, he wants to make people happy, but he's too stuck in his own head to actually listen to them, and ends up hurting them in ways he can't fully understand, and he's in an impossible situation where he can't make the humans happy because the one thing they want is to leave and he doesn't have the ability to do that.
people just want IHNMAIMS 2.0 with the evil robot that wants to kill everyone FNaF style and it shows.