ivana is from spain, yes she looks pretty white but dont erase her ethnicity
european spanish people are white, anon.
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ivana is from spain, yes she looks pretty white but dont erase her ethnicity
european spanish people are white, anon.
To those who haven’t read the books or are not aware, the character Eretria was whitewashed. In the book she is consistently described as being brown and dark. Her casting will also affect other roles down the line (spoilers), setting a bad precedent.
it annoys me how i get annoyed by stupid posts. some people want to see problematic things in fiction when there is no problem. leave ivana alone. whitewashing would be the new death note movie or tiger lily in the pan movie. but don’t pretend you know better than the freakin’ author. it is HIS world. HE created it. the end.
nah i think i’m done. just so done.
It's 100% whitewashing and you're excusing it.
That isn't looking for "problematic" things in the show, it's completely obvious in contradicting her book description. Irrefutably.
It isn't any different than Death Note or Pan. That Brooks is a 70 year old white man who didn't care enough to use his influence or say anything about it doesn't matter. He doesn't need you defending him or the show's bad decisions.
this is a PSA that if you haven’t watched the shannara chronicles yet GET ON IT!!!! one of the two main characters is a wlw and she’s gonna have a legit female love interest this season AND they added 5 poc to the main cast for season 2 and if you love fantasy/adventure and lots of beautiful people you seriously need to watch (and the new season comes out october 11!!)
The wlw lead character you’re talking about was whitewashed. Eretria was described as having brown and dark skin in the book.
To those who haven’t read the books or are not aware, the character Eretria was whitewashed. In the book she is consistently described as being brown and dark. Her casting will also affect other roles down the line (spoilers), setting a bad precedent.
You can read the whole interview with Terry Brooks here :) x
#LITERALLY THE ONE FUCKING SHOW FILLED WITH ALL ETNICITIES #SOMETIMES A PERSON FITS MORE A CHARACTER FOR SOME WEIRD REASON. NO MATTER THE COLOUR #IF CREATOR APROVES DONT COME TO MY HOUSE INSULT ERETRIA #THIS SHOW WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC IF EVERYONE WAS WHITEWASHED BUT THEY JUST ADDE 5 POC AND LAST SEASON ERETIRA HERSELF HAD A BLACK GF SO PLEASE #DONT #THE SHANNARA CHRONICLES
"The one fucking show”.
The five characters you’re talking about are in a season that hasn’t even aired yet. The first season was not only terrible, it treated all of its characters of color terribly. The linked thread details most of it.
1) The one woman of color in the book, Eretria, was whitewashed. It doesn’t matter what Brooks says about how he “envisioned” the characters as an excuse, he wrote Eretria with dark skin and the rest of the explicitly white characters remained so in the first season. He said nothing and did not care. There is absolutely no refuting this and you caping for him means you’re excusing whitewashing.
2) Tilton was a token and a trophy with no substance, fridged to fuel the angst between Ander and Arion. Zora was the flat, evil, black lesbian girlfriend, contrasted with Eretria, out for revenge, who was a fantasy racist against the largely white elves.
3) Allanon was treated as the magical supporting character of color. He mentored three white male characters, one of whom, Bandon, wasn’t even in the book, at detriment to his own arc. Bandon is another badly developed character who overshadowed Allanon more often than not. Allanon was supposed to be the last druid and suddenly he isn’t once he’s actually portrayed by a Maori man.
4) Everyone else was either evil, in the background, and/or violently murdered on screen.
“Sometimes a person fits more a character for some weird reason.”
I wonder what reason that could be.
To those who haven’t read the books or are not aware, the character Eretria was whitewashed. In the book she is consistently described as being brown and dark. Her casting will also affect other roles down the line (spoilers), setting a bad precedent.
You can read the whole interview with Terry Brooks here :) x
The show whitewashed Eretria. That Brooks is backtracking to cover that he doesn't care doesn't change it completely contradicts the book description.
To those who haven’t read the books or are not aware, the character Eretria was whitewashed. In the book she is consistently described as being brown and dark. Her casting will also affect other roles down the line (spoilers), setting a bad precedent.
iamnojedi replied to your post “To those who haven’t read the books or are not aware, the character...”
Ivana Baquero is Spanish. Like actually from Spain. How is that whitewashing? Do you understand what that even means????
Clearly you don’t since Spain is a European country.
How can you whitewash a character who is being played by a Latina? Who is not white?
She's a Spaniard, not Latina. Read the descriptions in the post also.
To those who haven’t read the books or are not aware, the character Eretria was whitewashed. In the book she is consistently described as being brown and dark. Her casting will also affect other roles down the line (spoilers), setting a bad precedent.
l.ayne “problematic” morgan receipts
ok so someone just sent me all of these links regarding l.ayne being a cyber bullying punk in her pre-pa days. here they are for yall to judge for urselves:
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I think Layne is problamatic but is there proof somewhere of the cyberbulling? I'm all for calling people out but that's a pretty big claim....
i have no idea i wasn’t even aware of it until now.
does anyone have receipts or like personal experience with this or anything?
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Just a quick little 101 for you guys because sometimes I want to do some educationing/talking.
“White Feminism” is not an umbrella term for feminism that only embraces white women. “White feminism” is a term for feminism that is not intersectional which means that it excludes women of color, disabled women, queer women, trans women, lower class, ect.
As I understand it, intersectional feminism embraces all women including and especially those who are women of color, LGBT, disabled, lower class, trans, or queer.
I point this out because it is so important to not turn feminism into an oppression olympics. It’s harmful to the cause to try and decide which women have more important stories or to compare women of color to disabled women in terms of hardship or queer women to lower class women. They all face very very diverse, different struggles but they are all important facets and stories to feminism. They are all women.
Your feminism, whatever it is labeled, should be as diverse and inclusive as possible and not prioritize the needs or stories of any group of another. I see a lot of hostility come up when people start getting angry about WOC vs. Queer women or things of that nature and both are so, so important to a diverse feminism. Remember when you are protecting, supporting, and uplifting one minority group, to do your best not to simultaneously stomp out another or hush their voices. We’re all guilty of that. As a white, queer woman I am guilty of prioritizing LGBT stories and voices as they are closest to me. That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t get priority when it’s their time but it means reminding myself that there are other women and other voices. I’ve also felt my voice as a queer woman be stomped out by other groups who prioritize their struggles.
I’ve found so far that one of the most important, simple things to do in being a feminist woman is to listen to the voices around you, even if you think you disagree with them. Listen to the women in your world, all of them. And take as much empathy as you can with you into the discussion. Understanding that this is a movement that involves all of us and is important to all of us is important.
‘“White Feminism” is not an umbrella term for feminism that only embraces white women’
Except for it literally is??? It’s a term created by WOC to acknowledge how much of the feminist movement has excluded them, their struggles and their experiences and ignored the contributions of non white feminists. Congrats on creating a definition of white feminism which deprioritises WOC which, ironically, is an incredibly White Feminist thing to do
“WOC vs. queer women” right, because QWOC (such as myself) don’t exist!
“I’ve also felt my voice as a queer woman be stomped out by other groups who prioritize their struggles.” Nice subtle (not so subtle) attack on the many WOC who have called you out on your blatant racism and white feminism. Nice villainizing WOC who “prioritize their struggles”, which, by doing so, they have never thrown lgbtq+ women (would be nice if you didn’t use a slur as an umbrella term, fyi) under the bus, like you have with POC. In fact many people who have called you out are QWOC. But keep playing the victim here instead of actually listening to POC for once! “We are all guilty of that.” Nah, that’s just you, only caring about white women and white lgbtq+ women but not giving a shit about WOC (or POC in general).
This post is super funny coming from someone who is the literal embodiment of white feminism, lmao. It’s funny that you pretend to care about intersectional feminism when you have repeatedly, without fail, spoken over POC in the 100 fandom and silenced our voices and acted like you have any right to decide what is or isn’t racist, when you have constantly defended the 100′s racism and ridiculed all the POC (and the few white people who aren’t racist af who have also called you out) who have dared to be vocal about this show’s disgusting racism (but, according to you, The 100 is just So Progressive and not racist at all, and the vast amount of POC who have been offended are just overreacting, am I right), when you have deemed that POC calling out racism is just “bullying and harassment”, when you have said gross things about Bob Morley having “white male privilege” and then issued a half assed non-apology (in which you literally said MOC always have it better in fandom than white women, instead of listening to WOC who know that that’s not the case), when you cared about Clarke and Lexa and Octavia (and defended Clarke from the - nonexistent - hate she gets) but didn’t give a shit about WOC on the show (or the racialized misogyny they get in fandom), I mean I could go on! Some receipts of you being shitty, in case you wanted them, are right here, though I’m sure I can find many more.
So yeah, the next time you want to preach about intersectional feminism, maybe you first want to look at how you are racist white feminist garbage, but I mean, that’s just my opinion~
also, about disabled women, does anybody else remember when she and all her friends made fun of me for being too young and being a “proud slytherin” and a million other things (one of her friends literally said she hoped i’d get a lobotomy)? remember when i told her to stop being so condescending to me (an autistic woman) and a woman with ptsd and she said “i speak down to people who i feel behave below me or have an intelligence level below mine” and when i called her ableist she said:
real intersectional of you, laynemorgan. your hypocrisy and self-victimization has reached a new high
for anybody who doesn’t know who layne is: she’s a super-stan for one of the most racists tv shows on air, the 100, and she kissed so much ass she became a PA. the100writers kimshum got anything to add?
I definitely agree with you. Even though I enjoy the characters on the show (shannara) and I like the eretria and amberle relationship they teased (but ultimately never delivered on), the show has been pretty bad with race. The only real poc in the cast has been sidelined and i think killed off (commander tilton)
(Same anon as before) And I didn't even know Eretria was whitewashed until you pointed it out because i never really read the books. I grew to love the character on the show but I think the show shouldn't have whitewashed her
Thanks for recognizing the show whitewashing her. No one who works on it has done that.
There’s also Zora, Eretria’s black ex-girlfriend. Of course, Zora and Tilton were both used as love interests to develop the white heroes they were attached to and then killed off.
Manu Bennett as Allanon is Maori, but his development and presence in the story was cut down in favor of Bandon, a white male character who wasn’t in the book and invented entirely for the show.
All other people of color were tertiary characters/extras who were often violently killed off on screen.
The actress that plays Eretria is Spanish and if you believe American ideas on race she is, therefore, not white as she is the same as a spanish-descended (i.e. non-indigenous and non-african) latin american. Whilst Europeans would probably view her as white, she does have light brown skin and is dark. This probably arises from the Moorish past of Spain. How dark is Eretria described as being in the books?
Anon I think we should question what “American ideas on race” really means; people in the US might be confused about what “Hispanic” means because it’s used in different ways, and they might confuse Spain with Latin America because our public understanding of race is so bad, but “Hispanic” is more being referred to recently as an ethnicity and not a race. That’s another conversation with someone with better understanding of the subject. I’m just running a blog.
For the purposes of your message, Spain isn’t part of Latin America; it is a Latin country in Europe, but not America. That term refers to parts of Central and South America. She is not the same as Latin American people or Latinx people because they have indigenous heritage. Generally speaking, ethnically Spanish people from Spain are considered white, and they aren’t Latinx. This whole “well, some people in the US might be confused about what the term ‘hispanic’ means” sort of defense is just a way to play semantics via devil’s advocate and dance around the character being whitewashed.
There’s no purpose in second guessing what distant ancestry she may or may not have (I know someone who defended this by saying, well, “’G*psies’ lived in parts of southern Spain and she’s from Spain therefore it’s okay because she probably has some distant ancestry from them”, referring to the Rovers being based off of Romani people), or what exact tone her skin looks under different lights because it’s just useless in a very granular way; it tells us nothing, and it’s a second line of defense in an argument of semantics that didn’t take place during casting anyway and is offensive in avoiding the basic problem at work here; no one involved higher up in the show, not the producers, writers, or the author himself, all of whom are white men and most of whom are older, cared about ensuring that the character wouldn’t be whitewashed during casting and that she would be cast accurately.
But they made sure that all the white characters stayed white. Given how few people of color there are in the show, and how terribly those who are in it are treated, and also what network the show is on, it’s absolutely no coincidence that one of the lead female characters who actually gets a lot of screen-time and development compared to them was whitewashed, whether or not they intentionally set out to do it.
The second runner up for the role was an actress of African and Indian descent who was dark-skinned, more dark-skinned than anyone else that was cast for the show. That doesn’t change the casting process that allowed itself to lead to a choice between whitewashing or not, or the decision they made.
I linked to the book descriptions in the post, and here it is again. She is referred to over a dozen times as having a “dark face”, a “dusky face”, “brown arms”, etc. I suggest you read it further for more context with other character descriptions in the series. If Eretria of all characters can’t be cast accurately, then that means a lot of other character will likely follow the “white by default” line of thinking.
gamecoroner replied to your post “To those who haven’t read the book or are not aware, the character...”
I hadn't seen you in a while. Good to know you're still whining about the exact same thing.
Still shamelessly racist I see.
My complaining about whitewashing is “whining”, but your blog being endlessly filled with boring white ships and complaining about WestAllen and Iris West while propping up Snowbarry and not caring about race isn’t whining, or racist.
Up is down. Black is white. Or black isn’t there, since you don’t see color or whatever.
To those who haven’t read the book or are not aware, the character Eretria was whitewashed. In the book she is consistently described as being brown and dark. Her casting will also affect other roles down the line (spoilers), reflecting larger issues the show has with racial diversity and setting a really bad precedent for casting.
While I’m aware that posting about it a handful of times in a couple of tags isn’t enough to circulate this information to a large number of people, I grow frustrated with the group of those who see this in the tags and learn about it and then don’t help spread it themselves. I do wish that the online fan presence for the show here who sees what I’ve posted would actually want to let others know that one of the leads was whitewashed rather than just not care or investigate it on a larger scale at all.
While Eretria and her relationship with Amberle have gained quite a bit of attention from LGBT fans, news of her being whitewashed hasn’t yet actually broken any sort of barrier of exposure. Very few people who watch the show will have read the book, but any sort of information like this being put out there for any other show would have already been spread by now.