Do you have any thoughts on "Good Guy Greagoir"?
I do! They’re not favourable thoughts, but I doubt that would surprise anybody who’d seen my opinions on Templars. :)
I think Greagoir is a better example of why Templars are bad than Meredith. Meredith was a known extremist. It’s easy to look at her and her officers and say ‘Those were all bad people doing very bad things, but they’re nothing to do with the good Templars’.
I don’t think Greagoir is a particularly sadistic individual, nor do I think he harbours a greater hatred of mages than is usual for his culture. It’s indicated that the Kinloch Hold Circle was ‘one of the most liberally run’, and it’s held up in that Codex entry as a counterpoint to the Kirkwall Circle.
It’s not that Greagoir is inherently a particularly evil man. It’s that Chantry culture is itself poisonous, and it’s not really possible to be a Templar without participating in abuse.
In Greagoir’s case, specifically, I would say that once you’ve called for the Rite of Annulment, you can no longer make any reasonable claim to being a good person.
I mean – can you think of any situation to which ‘Kill them all and let the Maker sort it out’ would be a reasonable response? Regardless of what, exactly, has led to the Templars invoking the Rite, there are going to be innocent people in a Circle: children, and people too elderly or infirm to be involved. If there are demons loose in a Circle there will be survivors. If it’s a rebellion, even the Templars are going to have allies in there: there will be Loyalists, who come down on the side of the Chantry. But the Rite of Annulment empowers Templars to kill everybody, including ‘screaming apprentices’ – meaning defenceless children.
I’ve always found the Broken Circle quest disturbing, because it’s presented as an even choice. On the one hand – sure, it’s preferable to save the mages. But on the other – well, the situation in the Circle is pretty messed up, so it’s not as though the Templars are calling for an Annulment for the fun of it.
The ‘nice’ Templars will say that their function is to protect mages. Loyalists like Vivienne and Minaeve will say that too. Templars create a safe space for mages to practise their craft. They fend off outside dangers, and they deal with demons and maleficars. Set aside for the moment the fact that the outside dangers were largely created by Chantry teachings, and just take that at face value. Mages effectively spend their whole lives as wards of the Chantry, and the Templars are their guardians. Their wellbeing is the Templars’ responsibility.
So where the fuck were Greagoir and his men when the mages needed them? Oh, that’s right. Hiding outside the damn door plotting to murder them all.
The game sidesteps how disturbing this is. Greagoir claims to be unhappy about calling for the Annulment but can see no other option. He describes a panicked retreat when the Templars were overwhelmed by demons – which might be part of a case for Templar incompetence, given that this is their function, but not for villainy.
But then … when you walk into the Circle tower, there are no mages taking refuge with the Templars. Some Templars were left behind during the retreat, yes … but no mages made it out at all.
The crisis began at a meeting of senior enchanters, when one of Uldred’s spells went horribly wrong. The demons and the carnage spread out from there. In a situation like that, what would happen? Some people would fight the demons, yes. Other people would try to hide. But a lot of people are going to run for the exit. There should have been a large gathering of mages at the bottom of the tower. Note also that the apprentice quarters and library are at the bottom of the tower, so the youngest and most vulnerable people could be expected to be gathered there even before the crisis.
All those people, ready for an orderly evacuation, and none of them got through the doors. You can point out to Greagoir that the reason the mages are likely dead by now is because he shut them in, but he will object that the alternative was to let demons and abominations come through. That makes it sound as though the mages were all in some far off place, and the Templars would have had to just leave the doors open indefinitely. But that can’t be what happened. They didn’t just shut them in. They must have forcibly prevented mages from leaving when they did. They probably killed panicked people who were just trying to get out the door.
That’s the heart of it: Greagoir doesn’t consider the mages to be people, any more than Meredith and the worst of her cronies do.
It is the innocent folk of Ferelden who matter. I would lay down my life, and the life of any mage, to protect them.
Note that the mages aren’t innocent folk. Those little kids Wynne and her colleagues are protecting? Not innocent. Because they’re mages. The Rite of Annulment assumes that every mage is inherently guilty. Maybe some of them aren’t possessed, or maleficars, maybe some of them are devout Andrastians. But they’re still mages. Better that all such people die than risk one ‘bad’ mage getting away. Because blacksmiths and farmers are framed as innocent, whereas the mere fact of having magic demonstrates that a mage is sinful.
All Greagoir’s protestations that it’s just so awful but there’s no other way are a smokescreen for that. Because there always was another way: they could have enlisted the help of the mages. Had their procedure been to evacuate as many mages as possible, rather than to lock them all in to contain the threat, they would have had a much larger force to deal with the demons. It’s funny, but once you get into the Circle you find that the mages are handling it much better than the Templars left in there. There are quite a few non-possessed mages running around (some of them are hostile, but they’ve clearly been holding their own against the demons), but there are no free Templars about. Mages are the key to saving the Circle: Wynne and Niall, and the people following them, are the ones who’ve figured out how to resolve this crisis. More such people would probably have been alive and free earlier, and could have helped.
Greagoir never considers the mages as potential allies, nor does he consider them as people for whom he is responsible. They are a menace he keeps away from the rest of the world.
Beyond the Annulment – it’s worth noting that two transfers were made to the Kirkwall Circle during Greagoir’s time as Knight-Commander: Karl and Cullen. Both are, in different ways, troublemakers.
Sending Karl there is effectively a death sentence. Kirkwall is notorious even before Hawke arrives there, and dropping even a mildly rebellious mage there is as good as putting him in an incinerator.
But it’s the thing with Cullen that’s truly terrifying. Cullen is dangerous. Greagoir is aware of this and ‘troubled’ by it. The Codex entry makes sending him away sound like a good deed, but … he sent him to Kirkwall. To serve under Meredith. He sent him somewhere where his views would be appreciated. Greagoir has a nice, orderly Circle that doesn’t give him trouble (most of the time). Cullen is an extremist, and he’s going to cause trouble in Kinloch Hold, but if Meredith wants to run her Circle as a concentration camp – well, Greagoir knows just the man for her staff.
Sending Cullen to Kirkwall is convenient for the Templar Order, because it allows the Knight-Commanders to maintain the Circles as they see fit. Greagoir doesn’t give a shit about the Kirkwall mages, because they’re not his problem. He just doesn’t want Cullen making his job any harder.
So I’ve no love for Greagoir. The Fereldan Circle is less obviously awful than the Kirkwall one, because Greagoir has found that a lighter touch works for him. But mages are never people to him, and the (attempted) Annulment in Ferelden is as much an atrocity as the one in Kirkwall.