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@thepineappleeater
disgusting fucking pedophile
I wonder how people who actually were victims of pedophilia feel about changing meaning of this word and lumping this crime with fictional stories about fictional characters...
And yeaaah, I kinda feel like there is going to be out there someone who will outright lie about being victim only to speak over actual victims...
Hi! I just wanted to say your argument for rights to write anything was extremely well-worded. It shouldn’t be a thing that’s even supposed to be argued over, it’s a basic freedom, but I appreciated it. Thank you for being sane and a fucking reasonable person.
...Thank you for saying it. I appreciate it. ❤️
do people still think "oh if you make sites censor pedophilia fanfiction they'll censor lgbt fiction next!" is a good argument. are 28 year old fandom mommies still out there comparing gay people to pedophiles and then patting themselves on the back for owning the Evil Antis.
anyway ao3's entire "underage" category should be purged and if you write graphic sexual fic about minors you should be on some kind of watchlist
Oh yeah, let's call minors pedos for writing shitty fics about fictional minors.
Because you know, the biggest chunk of fanfiction about teenagers having sex is written by another teenagers... Yeah, I also was one of them in my worst teenage-horny-phase. Not best activity, but still better than being groomed by actual predator or catching STIs like pokemon. A lot of teenagers is very much interested in "adult" things. They are going to read and write all kinds of atrocious things no matter what, and if those things will start to be taken down only because they are properly tagged, they will start to post it untagged to avoid having it taken down.
Because AO3 allows to post literally everything without worrying about having it taken down, it also allows for avoiding literally everything we don't want to read. Noone has a reason to try tricks to slide under radar.
And it doesn't matter how you feel about certain fics existing. People who write it don't hurt actual people, it is all fiction. People who write horrors with murderers as main characters also don't support murder. Because it is fiction.
You want to police what people think and write instead of being interested in actual actions of people who actually hurt others. And you don't even have to see questionale things random people write. You have all tools to avoid seeing things you don't want to see.
It literally costs you zero fucking dollars to not write porn of minors you dumb fucking cuck fujo
Have you even read what I wrote? Clearly not.
Or are you just dumb?
Also - no, I am right now not interested in writing porn fics. Like, at all. Nor with adults, nor with minors. I grown out of this horny phase. But I also don't feel the need to police others and call them inaccurate names only to feel morally superior.
yes im extremely stupid. can you please explain to me in detail just how making it harder for people to post written child porn would negatively impact your rights
Not mine rights, I literally don't care about it in relation to myself. But people like you who are trying to be oh-so-woke are pissing me off. You only pretend to care about others while telling others to kill themselves. You do it only to feel morally superior and I do not intend to further discuss it with people like you.
Because you just don't care about others well-being. You don't care if something is really harmfull. You care only about feeling morally superior even when you insist that you care about "doing right thing".
And also calling teenagers writing smut with other teenagers "pedophilia" kinda takes weight off this word making actual pedophilia seem less serious.
youre so heated about this but reki literally said this
...Yeah, now I am sure. You are just dumb and only want to feel morally superior. I already said I will not argue with you more, so I will stop here. It is just pointless, because you will not understand any arguments (you didn't even respond to most of points I made along the way, hell, you probably didn't even read most of it) and you only want to feed your ego.
Pathetic.
do people still think "oh if you make sites censor pedophilia fanfiction they'll censor lgbt fiction next!" is a good argument. are 28 year old fandom mommies still out there comparing gay people to pedophiles and then patting themselves on the back for owning the Evil Antis.
anyway ao3's entire "underage" category should be purged and if you write graphic sexual fic about minors you should be on some kind of watchlist
Oh yeah, let's call minors pedos for writing shitty fics about fictional minors.
Because you know, the biggest chunk of fanfiction about teenagers having sex is written by another teenagers... Yeah, I also was one of them in my worst teenage-horny-phase. Not best activity, but still better than being groomed by actual predator or catching STIs like pokemon. A lot of teenagers is very much interested in "adult" things. They are going to read and write all kinds of atrocious things no matter what, and if those things will start to be taken down only because they are properly tagged, they will start to post it untagged to avoid having it taken down.
Because AO3 allows to post literally everything without worrying about having it taken down, it also allows for avoiding literally everything we don't want to read. Noone has a reason to try tricks to slide under radar.
And it doesn't matter how you feel about certain fics existing. People who write it don't hurt actual people, it is all fiction. People who write horrors with murderers as main characters also don't support murder. Because it is fiction.
You want to police what people think and write instead of being interested in actual actions of people who actually hurt others. And you don't even have to see questionale things random people write. You have all tools to avoid seeing things you don't want to see.
It literally costs you zero fucking dollars to not write porn of minors you dumb fucking cuck fujo
Have you even read what I wrote? Clearly not.
Or are you just dumb?
Also - no, I am right now not interested in writing porn fics. Like, at all. Nor with adults, nor with minors. I grown out of this horny phase. But I also don't feel the need to police others and call them inaccurate names only to feel morally superior.
yes im extremely stupid. can you please explain to me in detail just how making it harder for people to post written child porn would negatively impact your rights
Not mine rights, I literally don't care about it in relation to myself. But people like you who are trying to be oh-so-woke are pissing me off. You only pretend to care about others while telling others to kill themselves. You do it only to feel morally superior and I do not intend to further discuss it with people like you.
Because you just don't care about others well-being. You don't care if something is really harmfull. You care only about feeling morally superior even when you insist that you care about "doing right thing".
And also calling teenagers writing smut with other teenagers "pedophilia" kinda takes weight off this word making actual pedophilia seem less serious.
Kill yourself. Fiction hurts the people (children, rape victims, csa victims, etc) who see it. Ao3 fic summaries can be explicit before you even click on it. The kind of content ive seen on ao3 makes me want to kill myself
Woah, you pretend to caring about protecting others while telling me to kill myself? How logical.
do people still think "oh if you make sites censor pedophilia fanfiction they'll censor lgbt fiction next!" is a good argument. are 28 year old fandom mommies still out there comparing gay people to pedophiles and then patting themselves on the back for owning the Evil Antis.
anyway ao3's entire "underage" category should be purged and if you write graphic sexual fic about minors you should be on some kind of watchlist
Oh yeah, let's call minors pedos for writing shitty fics about fictional minors.
Because you know, the biggest chunk of fanfiction about teenagers having sex is written by another teenagers... Yeah, I also was one of them in my worst teenage-horny-phase. Not best activity, but still better than being groomed by actual predator or catching STIs like pokemon. A lot of teenagers is very much interested in "adult" things. They are going to read and write all kinds of atrocious things no matter what, and if those things will start to be taken down only because they are properly tagged, they will start to post it untagged to avoid having it taken down.
Because AO3 allows to post literally everything without worrying about having it taken down, it also allows for avoiding literally everything we don't want to read. Noone has a reason to try tricks to slide under radar.
And it doesn't matter how you feel about certain fics existing. People who write it don't hurt actual people, it is all fiction. People who write horrors with murderers as main characters also don't support murder. Because it is fiction.
You want to police what people think and write instead of being interested in actual actions of people who actually hurt others. And you don't even have to see questionale things random people write. You have all tools to avoid seeing things you don't want to see.
It literally costs you zero fucking dollars to not write porn of minors you dumb fucking cuck fujo
Have you even read what I wrote? Clearly not.
Or are you just dumb?
Also - no, I am right now not interested in writing porn fics. Like, at all. Nor with adults, nor with minors. I grown out of this horny phase. But I also don't feel the need to police others and call them inaccurate names only to feel morally superior.
do people still think "oh if you make sites censor pedophilia fanfiction they'll censor lgbt fiction next!" is a good argument. are 28 year old fandom mommies still out there comparing gay people to pedophiles and then patting themselves on the back for owning the Evil Antis.
anyway ao3's entire "underage" category should be purged and if you write graphic sexual fic about minors you should be on some kind of watchlist
Oh yeah, let's call minors pedos for writing shitty fics about fictional minors.
Because you know, the biggest chunk of fanfiction about teenagers having sex is written by another teenagers... Yeah, I also was one of them in my worst teenage-horny-phase. Not best activity, but still better than being groomed by actual predator or catching STIs like pokemon. A lot of teenagers is very much interested in "adult" things. They are going to read and write all kinds of atrocious things no matter what, and if those things will start to be taken down only because they are properly tagged, they will start to post it untagged to avoid having it taken down.
Because AO3 allows to post literally everything without worrying about having it taken down, it also allows for avoiding literally everything we don't want to read. Noone has a reason to try tricks to slide under radar.
And it doesn't matter how you feel about certain fics existing. People who write it don't hurt actual people, it is all fiction. People who write horrors with murderers as main characters also don't support murder. Because it is fiction.
You want to police what people think and write instead of being interested in actual actions of people who actually hurt others. And you don't even have to see questionale things random people write. You have all tools to avoid seeing things you don't want to see.
theyre dating ur honour
I haven’t seen anyone post the art for the new soundtrack so I thought I’d share!!
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I feel like this is going to end like Yuri on Ice, with a romance between Reki and Langa. BUT ALSO I been queerbated SO MANY times that sometimes... I feel like I'm fooling myself.
I started this anime exactly with hope that it will end as yoi - with fans exploding, because they didn't expect whatever-gay-happened. I have those vibes from this anime and my 6th sense kinda screams.
Even when it still looks kinda unlikely.
But when it looks kinda unlikely, fans would be even more thrilled if it turns out to be not queerbaiting. And I am here for it, just in case.
how episode 7 should have ended
proof that langa can easily lift reki
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For the people who are out there “fighting the good fight” and “trying to make fandom a better place,” I have two important questions for you:
1. Is the author dead? x
2. Is your baby in the bathwater? x
What do I mean by those things? Let’s start with #1. The Death of the Author is a type of literary criticism, the extreme cliff notes version of which is that art exists outside of the creator’s life, personal background, and even intentions. I’m using it slightly differently than Barthes intended, but that’s okay, because the author is dead and I’m interpreting his work through my own lens.
In fandom, the author is dead. In fact, the author was never alive in the first place, not really. The author has only ever been the idea of a person, because unlike published fiction, the only thing we know about a fanfic author is that which they choose to tell us about themselves.
Why is that important?
Because it might not be true. Hell, that happens in real life with published authors, who have SSN’s on file with their publishers, who pay taxes on the works they create and have researchable pasts. If the author of A Million Little Pieces could fake everything, why can’t I? Why can’t you? Why can’t the writer of your favorite fic in the whole wide world?
Stop me if you’ve heard this before: “you can only write about [sensitive subject] if [sensitive subject] has happened to you personally, otherwise you’re a disgusting monster that deserves to die!!” Or maybe “you can only write [x racial or ethnic group] characters if you’re [x racial or ethnic group] otherwise you’re racist/fetishizing/colonizing!”
You can play this game with any sensitive subject you can come up with. I’ve seen them all before, on a sliding scale of slightly chastising to literal death threats.
Now, I could tell you that I’m a white-passing Latina whose grandmother was an anchor baby. I could tell you that I speak only English because my family never taught me to speak Spanish, something which I’ve been told is common in the Cuban community, though I only know my own lived experience. I could tell you that I’m mostly neurotypical. I could tell you that I’m covered in surgical scars. I could tell you lots of things.
Are any of these true? Maybe! I could tell you that my brother has severe mental development problems, so uncommon that they’ve never been properly diagnosed, and that he will live the rest of his life in a group home with 24-hour care. Is that true? Am I allowed to write about families struggling with America’s piss-poor services for the handicapped now?
Am I allowed to write about being Cuban? After all, I did just say that I’m Cuban. But is it true? Can I instead write a character that’s Panamanian? Maybe I really am Panamanian, not Cuban. Maybe I’m both. Maybe I’m neither. Maybe I’m really French Canadian. Should we require people to post regular selfies? I can’t count the number of times I’ve had someone come up to me speaking Arabic, and I’ve been told that I look Syrian. What’s stopping me from making a blog that claims that I am Syrian? Can you even really tell someone’s race and ethnicity from a photo?
Am I allowed to write about being a teenager? Am I allowed to write about being a college student? Am I allowed to write about being an “adulty” adult? Can I write a character who’s 40? 50? 60? How old am I?
All of this is to say: you can’t base what someone is or is not “allowed” to write about on a background that may or may not be real. No matter how good your intentions. And I get it - this usually comes from a place of well-meaning. You’re trying to protect marginalized groups by stopping privileged people from trampling all over experiences that they haven’t suffered. I get that. It’s a very noble thought. But you can’t require a background check for every fic that you don’t like.
If you say “you can only write about rape if you’re a rape victim,” then one of three things will happen:
Real survivors will have to supply intimate details of their own violations to prevent harassment
Real survivors will refuse to engage and will then have to deal with death threats and people telling them to kill themselves for daring to write about their own experiences
People who aren’t survivors will say “yeah sure this happened to me” just to get people to shut up
Has that helped anyone? I mean really - anyone??
So now let’s get to point #2: is your baby in the bathwater?
If your intention is to protect marginalized people from being trampled upon, stop and assess if your boot is the one that’s now stamping on their face. Find your baby! Is your baby in the bathwater? Which is to say: find the goal that you’re advocating for. Now assess. Are you making the problem worse for the people you’re trying to protect? Does that rape victim really feel better, now that you’ve harassed and stalked them in the name of making rape victims feel safe?
Let’s say you read a fic that contains explicit sex between a 16 year old and a 17 year old. Is this okay? Would it be okay if the writer was 15? 16? 17? Should teenagers be barred from writing about their own lives, and should teenagers be banned from exploring sexuality in a fictional bubble, instead of hookup culture? Is it okay for a 20 year old to write about their experiences as a teenager? Is it okay for a 20 year old to write about being raped at a party as a teenager? Is it okay for a 30 year old? How about a 40 year old? Is it okay so long as it isn’t titillating? Is it okay if taking control of the narrative allows the writer to re-conceptualize their trauma as something they have control over? Is it okay if their therapist told them that writing is a safe creative outlet?
Is your author dead?
Is your baby in the bathwater?
Now let’s take a hardline approach: no fanfiction with characters who are under 18 years old. None. Is the 16 year old who really loves Harry Potter and wants to read/write about characters their own age better off? Should they be banned from writing? Should they be forced to exclusively read and write (adult) experiences that they haven’t lived? Will they write about teens anyway? Should they have to share it in secret? Should 16 year olds be ashamed of themselves? Should we just throw in with the evangelicals and say that the only answer is abstinence, both real and fictional?
Let’s say that no rape is allowed in fiction, at all. None. What happens to all the hurt/comfort fics where a character is raped and then receives the support and love that they deserve, slowly heal, and by the end have found themselves again? Are you helping rape victims by banning these stories? Are you helping rape victims by stripping their agency away, by telling them that their wants and their consent doesn’t matter?
Is your baby in the bathwater?
Fandom is currently being split in two: on one side, the people who want to make fandom a “safer” place by any means necessary, even if that means throwing out all of the marginalized groups they say they want to protect - and on the other, people who are saying “if you throw out that bathwater, you’re throwing the baby out too.”
The whole point of fandom is to be able to explore all kinds of ideas from the safety and comfort of a computer screen. You can read/write things that fascinate you, disgust you, titillate you, or make your heart feel warm. This is true of all fiction. People who want to read about rape and incest and extreme violence and torture can go pick up a copy of Game of Thrones from the bookstore whenever they want. Sanitizing fandom just means holding a community of people who are primarily not male, not straight, not cis, or some combination of those three, to higher and stricter standards than straight white cis male authors and creators all over the world.
There is nothing you can find on AO3 that you can’t find in a bookstore. Any teenager can go check out Lolita, or ASOIAF, or Flowers in the Attic, or Stephen King’s It, or Speak, or hundreds of other books that have adult themes or gratuitous violence or graphic sex. The difference is that AO3 has warnings and tags and allows people to interact only with the types of work that they want to, and allows people to curate their experiences.
Are these themes eligible to be explored, but only in the setting of something produced/published? Books, movies, television, studio art, music - all of these fields have huge barriers to entry, and they’re largely controlled by wealthy cishet white men. Is it better to say that only those who have the right connections to “make it” in these industries should be allowed to explore violence or sexuality or any other so-called “adult” theme?
Does banning women from writing MLM erotica make fan culture a better place?
Does banning queer people from writing about queer experiences make fan culture a better place?
Is M/M fic okay, but only if the author is male? What if he’s a transman? What if they’re NB? Who should get to draw those lines? Should TERFs get a vote? What if the author is a woman who feels more comfortable writing from a male character’s perspective because she’s grown up with male stories her whole life, or because she identifies more with male characters? What about all the transmen who discovered themselves, in part, by writing fanfiction, and realized that their desires to write male characters stemmed from something they hadn’t yet realized about themselves?
How can we ever be sure that the author is who they say they are?
Who is allowed to write these stories? How do we enforce it?
Is it better for none of these stories to ever exist at all?
Have you killed your author?
Have you thrown out your baby with the bathwater?
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