y'all i'm pretty sure Flowery knew the whole time about a potential kidnap attempt due to the way he was treating Kris, and was trying to shoo them away without putting too much suspicion on Kris for Susie's sake.
Also he knows that the shelter code was buried in his soil and by extension knew that Kris' was (intentionally or not) going to kill him.
A misconception I keep seeing about Flowery is the idea that he wants to keep Asgore in an ideal dark world forever or replace the light world for him or something along those lines, but there's a major problem with that idea: THE FLOWERS ALL KNOW THEY WILL DIE BY SUNRISE.
The idea for them was never to give Asgore a perfect world to rule over forever, it was to show Asgore the best time they could with what little time they had. The problem with their plan had nothing to do with the roaring or "our dark world vs theirs" or anything like that. (There wasn't even any real conflict because the fun gang could have easily waited then out. We just wanted to close the fountain "asap" and they wanted to live this dream for as long as they could.) The problem was not realizing that had everything gone to plan, Asgore would wake up to find all of his flowers dead and that would crush him.
The scene between Flowery and Ralsei after Green and Orange's fight is so clearly telling you that Ralsei has some gender shenaniganry going on. It is almost explicit.
Note: I will use he/him pronouns for Ralsei for consistency with the game's current state.
The thing that stands out immediately in the scene is Flowery's changed demeanour towards Ralsei. He is not outright condescending and belittling towards Ralsei like he has been throughout this entire chapter, and in fact his personality feels a little subdued throughout the scene. He additionally shows clear admiration for Ralsei's traits of kindness, praises his heart and demonstrates faith in his abilities, telling him that "No matter what... you guys are gonna save the world." Flowery is approaching Ralsei from a genuine place here. He of course layers the conversation with subtle prodding in regards to Ralsei's abilities and fortitude. This isn't betraying some kind of disingenuous nature of the conversation, though --- while Flowery has an ulterior motive, it isn't malicious.
Flowery says as much in the scene that his goal is "understanding" between the Flowers and the Fun Gang, something consistent with his actions throughout the chapter. It's easy to infer therefore that he's trying to better understand Ralsei in this conversation. I don't necessarily agree --- perhaps Flowery already understands Ralsei. Flowery demonstrates deep knowledge of things he shouldn't know, like the MENU and his various comments towards Kris and Ralsei ("And Kris.. well, Kris, you know how I feel about you, don't you?" and "I cherish your purest heart," respectively). There's his (correct) assumption that Ralsei isn't going to kill him at any point, and of course, that rather telling dialogue just before the final fight: "Ralsei, wanna tell them what's wrong with [pretending to be something you're not]?" This prodding here, therefore, is not for Flowery's benefit. It is for Ralsei's.
Flowery says as much in the aforementioned penultimate dialogue scene: "I was doing it thinking it'd help you realize you could be happy." Flowery is trying to deconstruct Ralsei and his beliefs in this scene. When Ralsei shuts down the idea of defying the Prophecy, calling it "impossible," Flowery says, "says the impossibility himself," a reassurance that change, Ralsei's underlying motive throughout all of Deltarune, is possible. In addition, when Flowery calls Ralsei an "impossibility" in this context, he is suggesting that, by his very nature, Ralsei can change the Prophecy. How so? By putting his faith in himself. Or, of course, herself.
Ralsei is not receptive to the idea. The events at the end of Chapter 4 have clearly shaken Ralsei's faith in the ability of the Rune to Delta. He's seen solid proof that despite all the effort by him and the Fun Gang, nothing has changed. It was a heavy blow to him, even if he's still committed to hoping and trying. The importance, therefore, of Flowery changing the subject immediately after bringing up the prophecy is not something throwaway. He sees the current thread isn't exactly helping Ralsei, which is why he offers these vouchers. This is, of course, where the most significant part of the scene is for Girlsei truthers (me).
He tells Ralsei he knows his favourite is the "blue-and-pink" drink. These are colours associated with the transgender flag, but are also associated with Kris in regards to their Dark World appearance and Castle Town bedsheets. But this does not diminish its significance; the drink can mean two things at once. It is literally a drink Kris might like and symbolic of Ralsei's desires; ones coloured blue-and-pink.
Ralsei's reaction is particularly telling of the symbolic meaning; a shocked denial before resigned admission. "How did you know?" is his question; while he's been caught, he still wants to know how so, to keep these feelings hidden from other people. Flowery's reply is the strongest line for me: "You were looking at it the longest." Repressed desires and yearning for what could be possible, looking from the outside in, too scared to take the leap, an almost quintessential trans experience.
Taking into account the Prophecy subject beforehand, when he tells Ralsei to not "worry about Kris," to discard their opinion and only consider what he wants, the subtext here is that Ralsei should not worry about the prophecy, or other people's opinions. Ralsei wants to be a girl (or at least try so), outright expresses this desire to Kris at the end of the church climbing minigame, cloaking it in the pretext of the game and even then waiting for their approval. Compare Flowery's statement with Ralsei's at the end of that segment, wherein he says to Kris he's happy to be a Princess "…as long as it's… what other people want, of course!" The similar statements and linking mention of princesses parallel the scenes quite intentionally; you're supposed to be thinking about them together.
Then, of course, there's the final bit; "Got it, Princess?" While layered in some light teasing, I've seen a few people claim that this is genuinely just a little insult meant to throw Ralsei off. No. As said before, Flowery is largely benevolent in this scene. All of his questions and prodding have been to subtly challenge Ralsei's external presentation; this is just another example. Why would he cap off a genuine, heartfelt moment convincing Ralsei of his own self-worth and abilities in such a strange way, and by calling him a girl, no less? None of these characters believe that feminity is inherently degrading or undesirable. It simply doesn't work as an insult for the characters or situation. Flowery is once again prodding Ralsei, so that he can reveal himself.
It is Ralsei's reaction that proves this. He is upset, yes, but embarassed, blushing and looking away. Unlike other times when Flowery has taken a jab at Ralsei, he doesn't bite back or give a retort. He is upset because Flowery has hit the nail on the head, a nail that he has been trying to ignore all this time, even now, because to do so would break his very purpose --- he needs to "follow the rules." To do so is catastrophe for him. And yet, despite this, he very, very much wants to.
This is the core of the conversation. Ralsei fears the opinions of others and both Fate itself. Flowery tells him they don't matter. He can be a Princess if he wants.
I love flowery so fucking much dude I can't take it man. Played through Ch5 both normal and weird and despite everything that happened in weird i still can't stop thinking of Flowery
LIKE FYM THE CHAPTER IS ALL SUNSET IMAGERY AND HE KNOWS HES NOT GOING TO MAKE IT THROUGH THE NIGHT?? HE JUST WANTS TO REPAY ASGORE'S KINDNESS EVEN IF ITS JUST FOR A SINGLE DAY
Slowly realizing throughout the chapter that he isn't playing a nice guy persona and all those "condescending" compliments were genuine. He genuinely believes in the power of friendship it's not a bit. He pokes fun at Ralsei but Ralsei did try to get us to turn him off multiple times and realized how much of a dick move that is after getting turned off himself.
There's nothing wrong with him he's just cringe omllll
EMPATHY [Easy: Success] - She says it so insistently, as if arguing with you. You may have upset her.
COMPOSURE [Formidable: Failure] - You feel a pit in your stomach. You did something wrong, but you don't know what.
LOGIC [Trivial: Success] - Her way of dressing, the feminine name, yet deep voice - it should have been clear to you sooner. She's transgender.
ESPIRIT DE CORPS [Formidable: Success] - Almost imperceptible, the lieutenant anxiously twitches his eyebrow.
DAMAGED MORALE - 1
Transgender? What's that?
This doesn't have any bearing on the investigation.
ENCYCLOPEDIA [Trivial: Success] - A transgender person is someone who does not identify with the gender they were assigned at birth. Oftentimes they will dress conforming to their desired gender roles, change their names, and seek medical intervention to, "transition."
Gender is rather bourgeois, anyway.
Why would any proud Revacholian discard their masculinity?
Changing your gender? That sounds like quite the hustle. Maybe we can learn a thing or two from this woman.
That's cool. I have no opinion on this one way or another.
RHETORIC [Medium: Success] - Just as Mazov dared to challenge the established order of capitalism, so too do others challenge the order of things such as sex and gender.
ELECTROCHEMISTRY [Trivial: Success] - IT'S BEEN SO LONG SINCE WE'VE FELT THE TOUCH OF A WOMAN. WHO CARES IF SHE USED TO BE A MAN? HAVE SEX WITH HER NOW! ITS WHAT A REAL MAN WOULD DO!
EMPATHY - [Trivial: Success] - Don't do that. It's clear now, you upset her for accidentally calling her a man. Just apologize.
COMPOSURE [Medium: Failure] - Profusely.
ESPIRIT DE CORPS [Medium: Success] - It's important to be a good ally.
DRAMA [Medium: Success] - Make a real show of it, sire!
"Oh, I didn't realize. I'm sorry."
"I'm so sorry I'm so sorry I'll leave you alone forever now."
"I haven't been a good representative of the RCM. We're here to help the people of Martinaise, no matter their identity. I'm sorry to have let you down."
[Drama - Legendary 14] Try and come up with an elaborate, heartfelt apology in the style of the turn of the century thespians.
HIGH
83%
+1 Found testosterone ampoule on nightstand.
+1 Homo-Sexual Underground.
+1 Read about the turn of the century thespians.
-1 Recovered your gun.
-1 Masculinity challenged.
This is a Red Check.
It cannot be retried.
⚀⚀
CHECK FAILURE
YOU - You try and come up with the words to convey your apology to the young woman, but you come up blank. It's hard to fit, "transgender" into iambic pentameter, as it turns out.
DRAMA - I'm sorry, sire. I have failed you.
KIM KITSURAGI - "Detective? You've been standing there for a whole minute. Are you okay?"
ESPIRIT DE CORPS - Shit, the lieutenant is onto us. We have to say something soon, or we could lose him.
COMPOSURE [Trivial: Success] - Don't worry, we can still salvage this. Anyone have any ideas?
VOLITION [Heroic: Failure] - Let me handle this.
You - "I'm so sorry, I'm so fucking sorry. I'm such a fucking failure. Do you want me to kill myself?"
Henir High Entropy is really fun. It's really really fun...
Mirror Del's extra bosses have really cool mechs too... Like when the OSU mech of mysterious bird syncs up with the OST speeding up. Pure cinema (also the OST is great)
Granted I play a privileged class (Immortal) but the new mechs are genuinely pretty fun to do and are often actually kinda hard. I just really wish it had a practice mode of sorts. I go into these fights blind and getting mech checked after 30 minutes kinda sucks.
The only miss for me is King of Abyss (Ran phase 3) because of overlapping mechanics and because absorb is a HP gated mech so you spend most of the fight doing no damage and it's way tankier than it has any right to be.
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