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IT IS FINISHED. [butterfly freed, ch 46/epilogue)
An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works
i'm going to go to bed now.
reblogging now that i'm more coherent
I’m slowly beginning to accept the reality that 2007 was not last year but in fact almost four years ago
just saw someone refer to themselves as an 'ai author'
in other news, I watched someone else play flight simulator so I guess that makes me a captain now
I'm probably going to fill in Larian's feedback form (politely, obviously) and ask for some more content for Wyll, but man am I disappointed. I kept hoping we'd get more sometime, but we're near the end of the patch cycle and... nothing on the same level as the new lines and sometimes new scenes we got for the others. The epilogue, sure, but everyone had something there.
BG3 has all these smart, wonderful stereotype bucks. You have a seven foot musclebound barbarian who's a (quite smart) woman. You have the arcs about autonomy and sexual abuse given to blokes. You have butch and femme pan rep and characters who are complex.
So surely, a character who is that rare thing, a knight with a Grail quest who's black, an interesting deconstruction of heroic ideas vs. the reality of who you are and trying to bridge the gap, and a man who pretends just as hard as Astarion in the opposite direction, should be Larian catnip. He's exactly the kind of character who fits into the narrative about autonomy and bucking stereotypes and the future of Baldur's Gate perfectly. There's no excuse not to use him. Hell, his actor's certainly been enthusiastic and publicly willing to come back for additions.
He's a fun character. Underwritten, but fun, and very well acted. There's no reason for the studio to ignore him this much. *raises brow* Well, there's one, and it's that they think the fan base will never get behind the only black character. And in that case? You stand by your work and develop that character with love and care, not cave to the idiots.
i really wish people would take wyll's self-deprecation at the tiefling party seriously. just because you think his design hasn't changed and he looks just like a tiefling doesn't mean he's not, textually, Physically A Devil now. even if he's still treated well by the refugees, it doesn't mean he's wrong to feel uncomfortable and scared and intruding now that his form was changed against his will, especially while talking to people who just escaped avernus.
it really says a lot about his overwhelming empathy, but also his lack of faith in himself (in Wyll, not The Blade, who he feels he can no longer be now that he's been changed,) that he has these unfounded fears
A big part of why Ulder rejected him was that it was visibly obvious he'd been touched by the Hells, even without Mizora trailing him. He's been here before, and it ended horribly - he's probably had a load of bad memories stirred up and is freaking out accordingly. Also, from some of the books you can find and some of the dialogue, there are several other specifically "devil" signs, like smell, aura, that we're not seeing and would mark him out. I suspect he's talking about the combination of the physical signs and those being "devil", not just "tiefling".
I've been thinking about why I enjoy Astarion and Tav (friendship or romance) so much. And I think I've finally put my finger on it: I love that, in a game so much about grey morality and there being no easy answers, this arc is so unabashedly, almost cheesily about the power of kindness.
Astarion's trauma doesn't turn him into a better person. There's no "the cleansing power of pain" here. He was a snotty petty fantasy-racist jerk before he was turned and enslaved, and he's a snotty petty fantasy-racist jerk afterwards.
The thing that makes him want to try listening to his compassion once in a while? It isn't trauma, but Tav and the crew's kindness. No matter how angry he gets with you for being a sappy do-gooder, his approvals tell a different story: despite the front he's putting up, he will fall fangs-over-heels for Tav if they're kind to him about Cazador, if they don't judge but instead offer him compassion. (In Act 3, if Dribbles asks what makes Tav special and they respond, "I treat everyone around me with kindness"? You get approval from Wyll and Astarion.) Karlach doesn't judge him for his days luring but asks with friendly intent if they would have met, if they could have had a drink together, speaking to him like a person rather than a tool; Gale offers him blood after a difficult fight and shares in his jokes about hedonism; Wyll, a noted monster hunter, lets him live and admits later on to being wrong about him. There are so many other instances.
It's incredibly telling that when you're trying to persuade him not to do something utterly inhumane in the name of the ritual, his instant, desperate argument for why he has to do it is, "Other people don't have a heart like you." Ascension is him agreeing with Cazador that the world is dog-eat-dog. No-one will ever be kind to you unless it's a lure, a scheme, softening you up to be used (the way he did for Cazador's targets and later tries to do for his siblings). Compassion just gets you killed. The only answer, the only honest thing, is domination and violence - "the cycle of power and terror".
If he stays spawn and you romance him, he tells you as much, tells you exactly what you did right: "You were patient. You cared." And "You believed in me. You believed that I was enough, just the way I am."
So yeah, that conversation where he says that "other people don't have a heart like you" and Tav counters, "The world can be a kind place," and he responds that "I'll... think on what you say"? I believe he genuinely was thinking on it. And it's why that chat lives in my head rent-free.
Been thinking about Astarion and his disapprovals when you help people. I think that yes, it's partly about envy that no-one was there to help him, but also about choice and control. (BG3 is always a game about autonomy, after all.)
So hear me out: back in the pre-turn days, Astarion was a magistrate. And if Baldur's Gate is anything like our medieval and Renaissance eras? He would've had to sign off on some pretty damn awful punishments. (Look at how he talks in the Justice test about how one has to punish thieves, and the Early Access bit where he talks about how killing Arabella would be too harsh for her stealing... they should've cut off her hand instead, the "proper" punishment for thieves and what he would've sentenced her to. He handed down an edict bad enough on a Gur tribe that he was essentially murdered in revenge.)
So how do you justify this to yourself? Well. He had money, societal power, and pretty privilege - this is almost certainly why Cazador chose him, too - and was kind of crap at empathy. And we know he likes seeing people get their comeuppance, likes seeing them taken down a peg. So he carefully ignores all the ways he's been lucky, all his privilege, and pretends he got there all by himself. He goes, "They had a choice. There's always a choice. They weren't helpless. They should have got a job, not begged, or stolen. They earned this. They brought it upon themselves. I'm simply serving them the consequences. Don't look at me like that." (I think this also ties into that later-retconned part about him giving prisoners to vampires. They're just criminals, after all, the same way the Gur are cutthroats and goblins are trash. They chose this life. They chose not to matter.)
So then he falls painfully from privilege, and gets the full horrible buffet of helplessness at Cazador's hands. He "resisted least" - see, surely there's a way to be punished less if you just do the right things, if you say the right things. The spawn who resist are doing it wrong. They made their choice. (He ignores that he's never the favoured spawn, ignores the pliers coming out again, and tells himself this.) If he can say that, he can pretend he still has control - and he so desperately wants control. His old self-justification has been turned up to eleven by the trauma of Cazador.
And suddenly... tadpole. He's free. He's also, as said, traumatised. He tells himself he's never going back to Cazador - look, Cazador can't compel him, look, he can walk in the sun, look, he's seducing Tav. He knows what he's doing! He's in control! The tadpole just being luck? He can't afford to think about that. Luck can change. Which means Cazador, and everything else, no matter what Astarion does or prepares or succeeds at, can happen again. He's helpless. But no. No. He's not some helpless damsel in distress - his first meeting with you was mocking the very thought!
But look. These people are showcasing their helplessness, almost proudly. And it's horrifying. And they keep saying familiar things - they're saying things he's said, in his more vulnerable moments. And Tav keeps saying things like, "They had no choice - we have to help them." But of course these people did. They got themselves into this situation, they can damn well help themselves out of it.
Because if they didn't have a choice... then neither did all the poor bastards he sent to their deaths or horrendous punishments over the years. Neither did those he brought to Cazador. Neither will all the spawn he's going to sacrifice in the ritual. Neither did he. All that separates them from him is luck, and luck can change. He's not in control. The thought is horrifying, so he pushes back against it. "They're weak, pathetic [...] We are better." Even as he approves of getting Wyll out of the pact and getting Mayrina away from the hag, even as he wants Lae'zel to "break her chains", because he feels a kinship with them. Even as, in a rawer moment, he tells the story about being locked in a crypt and tells Tav not to judge him for what he had to do for Cazador. If he stops to examine that too much, he'll panic. Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug. So move on, keep desperately snobbing.
He keeps trying that even when Tav meets his siblings and treats them with empathy (empathy that confuses and horrifies him). "They lured thousands to their deaths," he tells Tav. "I doubt Baldur's Gate will miss them." Or him. If they had control, he had control too. Life before turning taught him that if you're punished for what you've done, with cruelty or with death in a ritual, the punishment implies you still had a choice. He vacillates wildly between victim-blaming and talking about them as helpless unfortunate sacrifices while he tries to get his head round this. Even while, as Tav insists on saying, all that separates him from them is a tadpole. His victims are "criminals and brothel-goers," he tries desperately to tell Tav later - look, they deserved it!
The breakthrough is when he finally admits that the spawn are "the innocent, idiots, and the unlucky." Just like the others whose chains you've helped break, through the acts (his approval slowly starting to turn round on some of them, as this realisation creeps up on him and gains speed). Just like him - he was unlucky. (Which means he didn't deserve two hundred years of enslaved misery, and the people on this journey didn't deserve what happened to them, either. Which means he deserves to be treated with kindness, and so do others.) He can turn from that, and keep desperately scrabbling for control with the ritual (he can command others! He'll "never have to be afraid of anyone, ever again"), or he can stay a spawn, and accept that.
The kind of control he wants is an illusion. You can never truly control others without losing yourself in the process. All you can do to change people is decide whether to help - to reach out and hope they reach back. He's seen this time and time again with Tav, saw it even before he woke up in the ground. It's just that finally, he's stopped outrunning the thought and accepted it. Sometimes he still backslides, sometimes he still sees those who hurt him in the ones Tav wants to help, sometimes he's still rather an arse... but he's starting to see it now.
it's giving princess celestia
Who would think talking to the Ornate Mirror would go SO hard and distill Gale's entire story down into 2 dialogue options
I love how his strongest desires are 2 completely opposing things: love and power. He is pulled towards love somewhat easily in act 2, and yet once he catches sight of that crown, he is so very easily pulled back towards power (clearly having learned nothing after the orb lol). You really have to work kind of hard to pull him back towards love!
Imo his act 3 friend route gives a much better glimpse than the romance route of pre-orb Gale: a wizard who believes he deserves godly power, is willing to do very dangerous things to get it, and who has serious issues with being content (so serious that if he doesn't resolve them he becomes the god of "its never enough" aka ambition)
He makes known his anger at Mystra for worshipping her loyally for years, and only being granted "a barest sliver of the power I was ready to wield." That "barest sliver" was being an archmage and her chosen, but that STILL wasn't good enough for him. The he goes on to call himself Karsus' successor!! He then shows bluntly that he truly considers being mortal and having to exist in this plane as punishment with the line: "Why wallow in the dirt when we could reach for the stars?" (which you can call him out for, and I think humbles him, as that pushes down his crown score)
It's such whiplash coming from Act 2, where you see Gale does indeed desire to love and care for someone, and be loved and cared for in return. Because now you see when power is within his grasp, his ambition kicks into overdrive, and obtaining that power is all he can see. He can't see what chasing power will cost him, and how it might hurt others, even after everything he suffered from the orb. His issues with being content, which first show themselves when he reveals the story of the orb in act 1, now rear their ugly head again.
Ofc all these themes do come up in his act 3 romance scene, but he is not so angry and thus he's not so blunt about it. Some lines that best illustrate that theme of his inability to be content, or as I call it, his "wallowing in the dirt" theme: "have the best possible version of me" and "you would really prefer me as I am?" He could be a god, why in the world would Tav not want that? Especially since life on this mortal plane is an indignity he (and Tav) is being forced to suffer through when he deserves to be in Elysium. He is shocked — and I think humbled too — that Tav is content with their life here, and doesn't need nor want to chase power with him. Tav says they have everything they need right in that boat: each other 🥺
His alternate scene, where if you go to Mystra's shrine first, more bluntly illustrates the issues with contentment / "wallowing in the dirt" theme: "easier to pretend my destiny lay among such stars than work to salvage a life on solid ground." & "You see me as I am, and do not find me wanting. With these stars as my witness, I swear you will always be enough for me."
An archmage who pursued the power of the gods and then godhood itself tells Tav "you will always be enough for me." Pulled between love and power, he chose love, he chose Tav 🥺 LIKE 😭 I CANNOT bro, Gale's story is so beautiful and powerful 😭
Reblogging this one bc I was making a post about how I really don't like these takes I occasionally see that view Gale having to give the crown to Mystra as a bad thing bc "ew he has to talk to his mean ex" Gale's story is not about Mystra man. Like it is but it isn't, it's really about everything I said above
To which I'd like to add, I think I see some people focusing over much on Gale's relationship with Mystra, rather than his theme of his issues with contentment, because they've never played the game w/o romancing him. As I showed above, his entitlement and hubris comes out like crazy in act 3 on the friend route, but I only just scratched the surface there, bc I didn't even get into what he says if you encourage him as a friend to go for the crown!
Tav: the Karsite weave sounds evil
Tav: uhh don't you remember how you ended up here in the first place? Your 'good intentions' could've detonated the orb
Tav: makes sense, the orb & crown were created by one powerful wizard, and now drawn to another
Tav: And what then? What if you became a god?
I am too lazy to take more screenshots but you can really see in this video of all options for Gale meeting Mystra how when he seeks her forgiveness, or is simply neutral but pushed away from the crown, he talks about the orb taking his powers/parts of himself away. But when he is pushed towards the crown, he blames Mystra for his loss of power and potential power that was denied to him that he can now get thanks to the crown. It's like Gale owning up to how pursuit of power nearly destroyed him, and he's FINALLY learned his lesson and will be content with a mortal life on solid ground VS Gale seeing that altho his pursuit of power nearly killed him, he survived, and he's going to finish the job because he deserves it, bc fuck wallowing in the dirt when we could reach for the stars...and become the god of self help MLM scams 👑
one time at a con tim downie (gale's VA) was asked what fictional universe gale would thrive in outside of bg3 and tim said either hellraiser or love actually and I think about that every single fucking day
Magistrate Astarion never existed. (hear me out)
as far as I know –please correct me if I’m wrong – literally the only things we know about the Before Times for Astarion are: he was a magistrate. He was attacked because the Gur disagreed with one of his rulings.
and as much as I would love to know about every detail of his life before. I think it was very intentional and important that we (the player) don’t get to know anything else. there could have been some random book that you find somewhere in the city as flavor text that describes laws and policies and casually credits Magistrate Ancunín amongst others that contributed, (similar to the Ban List in the Waning Moon) but there isn’t. because Magistrate Ancunín does not exist anymore.
so much that he effectively Never existed.
he doesn’t exist so much that Astarion can’t remember what fucking color his eyes used to be. something you see a thousand times a day, x39 years of days. something you just know without thinking.
Cazador changed every aspect of him so deeply, he took everything and more, that that man who was attacked by the Gur may as well have never existed.
“I made you to be consumed.”
he’s already gone. you have consumed every piece of who that man was and replaced it with fear, anger, doubt, self loathing, fear, bitterness, depression, and more fear. he is a completely different man now. he can’t even conceptualize the idea of anyone genuinely liking him anymore. congratulations, Cazador.
if Durge didn’t Bhaalspawn too close to the sun (kickstarting the events of the game), no one would have thought about him after the ritual was completed and he was dead. maybe a local barkeep wondering where that weird family that gave them so much business went, but assuming their family moved away. maybe Godey when he dumps the remains of the spawn into the chasm and reminisces on how “sweet” Astarion “sang” for him.
“what if Astarion had parents, siblings, family, friends, etc”
he was out being forced to find victims for Cazador every night for 192 years and not a single person that he knew in life saw him at a tavern and thought to ask about that? he knew people in baldurs gate. he worked in baldurs gate. he lived in baldurs gate. he was buried in baldurs gate. he is an elf, his family are elves. they’d still be alive. they’d have questioned how he’s here. but no one came for him.
was he as alone in life as he was in the kennel? it doesn’t matter. for all intents and purposes, Magistrate Ancunín simply never existed. just a name on a rock, covered in overgrowth and tucked into the back of the cemetery.
you get that, right? spill the whole jug? ugh. guess i'll toss that one on the heap.
Listen. I have a bunch of nsfw writing I have been holding on to for the past 2 years that I have been too terrified to post on ao3 not because im afraid of random people reading it but because my gf's best friend Joe is subscribed to me and he has already read my other fic. I do n ot want Joe to read the porn I will kill myself immediately
just want to add this for context but joe casually dislikes astarion and staked him in his bg3 playthrough and is still reading my fic. if you think this man wont read something hes not interested in guess again. He is capable of anything and that scares me