Fuck it, Im A Boi. But im Still a witch

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[trans-king-arthur]

Bet yall mutha fuckers thought I was dead

[trans-king-arthur]

hi i just saw ur conversation in the notes of that post and just thought id stop by to tell u that ur 100% being racist and are in the wrong, and u need to literally apologize and educate urself because coming from a 21 yr old, you are too damn old to be saying this shit. a BIPOC person who has been hurt by white people is not racist. racism is a systemic and institutional thing. ur whole ‘just bc ur bipoc doesnt mean ur better’ is hilarious since white ppl have always devalued bipoc.

Yo okay. So i said this once and this is the last time im gonna say it. I was dissapointed by the fact that they attacked me for saying that i am hopeful that shane dawson is gonna turn a new leaf. I believe that in order to change things, one must understand and grow and people have to allow that to happen. I was, in no way, devaluing their opinion. They were devaluing mine on the basis that i am white and while i completely understand that it is up to BIPOC and POC to decide when shane has righted his wrongs, i was trying to be optimistic.

The fact that they assumed immediatly that i was defending him and forcing them to forgive is what i wqs unhappy about and what i pointed out.

And you cant sit here and tell me that racism isnt equally as bad when you racially profile a white person and want equality. Is it as much of an issue for white people? Hell no. But it doesnt erase its existence.

[mtvmakesmewannasmokecrack]

so just to be clear. shane dawson has:

mocked trayvon martin’s death

shared a GRAPHIC fantasy about mutilating and killing a black woman who called him out on racism and misogynoir

defending pedophilia on his podcast

gave multiple racist influencers platforms

one of which he made jokes about their racist scandals the whole time

the other he sympathized with when he whined about getting called a cracker in response to calling 2 of his latino employees b**ners

made a parody of nicki minaj in black face, in which he was mostly making fun of her for having plastic surgery and having a fat ass, literally a modern day minstrel show

made a song where 2 characters were at a club and the joke was that they saw a trans woman and thought she was hot, saying the t slur in said song (only source i could find)

made a video where he jacked off to a poster of willow smith (who was ELEVEN. 11 at the time)

profited off of a character who’s literally based on black stereotypes for years

done blackface in other instances i don’t even know the context of

shouted the n word

there’s a bit in another of his old videos where he literally masquerades as an immigrant who doesn’t know much english- this hasn’t been called out yet, but i remember seeing it in 6th grade (in the same video he asks a character that’s supposed to be his mom- but just him in a wig, as usual, if white people or latin people are better, and the mom character refers to as a trick question)

refers to himself as poor in his videos to this day, even though we all know he damn well isn’t.

these are 13 instances that i alone know of. if this man doesn’t face repercussions, he will continue getting away with this shit. nothing will fucking change, this will happen every 6 months. 

[trans-king-arthur]

Im super proud of shanes apology video.

Hes not ugly crying, hes not making excuses, hes sitting there, talking about what he did wrong, does not ask for forgiveness but apologieses over and over, makes everyone aware of his ignorance and how he plans to move forward. How he plans to get better. And honestly that more than anything shows his growth as a person, qnd im proud of him for it.

[vampyrprinsen]

doesnt sound like a good apology to me.

[trans-king-arthur]

Im sorry and how was the correct way to apologize? I watched the video abd i damn well know he took responsibility for his actions, and claiming that saying his career deserves to be destroyed isnt painting himself as a victum its him admitting that he was a bad person who did bad things and that if he cant comeback from what he did he understands like.

What did you want him to say? Say that he was a phsycopath that wished harm unto others as a joke? No, hes freaking human. He is beinn aware of the choices he made abd why those choices were made while also being fully and completely honest and aware of the fact fhatthat doesnt make it okay.

He did the right thing, and yeah he admits that for a LONG TIME hes DISSACOCIATED with that person he was in the past and EXPLAINS that thats how he felt about it before, but then has now chosen to come forward and accept those mistakes as his own.

He never makes a real excuse for anything he did. He explains his thoughts, tells why those thoughts dont make it okay, and apologizes.

But nah yall out for blood bc anything that doesnt fit your perfect image is immediatly something worthy of death-

And im not here for the catholic crusades again im here for love abd peace abd redemption.

Yall talk a lot of redemption and help for the incarcerated but you dont have the same energy here and its dissapointing.

[tametsi-qq]

Two quick things, 1) where is anyone in this thread, ASIDE FROM YOU, calling for Shane’s death? This isn’t just about “cancelling” him, this is holding him accountable for his actions. In the video he says he recognized that his actions were wrong- So why didn’t he just apologize when he realized that his actions were disgusting? Why did it take him being mass called out for him to apologize? To remove those videos from his channel? Holding people accountable DOES NOT EQUAL wishing physical ill will upon them.

2) Where has he redeemed himself? Shane’s said an apology to the viewers, and to his cousin- the Smiths when they got involved had clearly not recieved an apology. Besides that- an apology is just words unless you have the actions to back it up. What actions has Shane taken? Other than releasing a shitty notes apology where he still claimed that James Charles deserved “humble pie”, and a weak video apology where he definitely stated “I tried to distance myself from that person”- he says when HE’S BEEN PROFITING OFF OF THE “ACTIONS OF THAT PERSON” FOR YEARS. Shane was still selling Shanaynay merch until fairly recently.

Also… On apologies. People don’t have to accept apologies. Apologies aren’t “get out of jail free” cards, apologies without concrete actions are words that make the person apologizing feel better about themselves- it doesn’t solve the issue. Besides that- I as a non-black person, cannot decide that Shane’s apology about doing black face (MULTIPLE TIMES) is enough. The same goes for his multiple counts of brown face- Guadalupe? Anyone? Fruit Lupe? Or his racism against asian people (in the beginning of his video about his 12 year old cousin giving a lapdance he does a racist chinese impression), or his anti-scemetic jokes against his manager Lauren. And frankly- I don’t accept his apology for his pedophilic actions, or his beastiality comments (and actions. That cringe video of him with Jenna Marble’s dog Peach, and Twinkie), because he hasn’t taken any actions to right his wrongs aside from covering his rich white ass.

Also I was really trying to keep this short but I think there’s a BIG DIFFERENCE between talking about how the prison system is a form of systemic racism against black people and other people of colour and holding a rich white man acountable for his actions- particularly when he profited off of and gained literally everything he has off of the mockery of marginalized people. Sorry, but you’re being fucking racist and maybe you should think about why you so desperately feel the need to defend a man that frankly- doesn’t deserve it.

… and no that’s still not me calling for his death, I just don’t want him to have a platform anymore.

[trans-king-arthur]

Ah, i see, we both want to misread eachothers posts. I wasnt refering to his death in the litteral sense, i was refering to it in a social one, which is litterally his entire career.

Also, i did not say he redeemed himself, that he should be given a chance to. And that he has made the first step towards that through the video.

[tametsi-qq]

I would totally celebrate the death of his career, I’d rather him fade into obscurity instead of a weird twisting of death of the author (death of acknowledging problematic past works?) to remove him from his past creations.

I’m also not sure where I stand on Shane redeeming himself- because again, I don’t get to deem his apologetic actions for the majority of the problematic shit he’s done.

Also? Are you just going to ignore your horrid racist take on the discussion around incarceration? Like. I’m still fucked up over that. Particularly in the context of America- where prisons are another way of controlling elections (prisoners can’t vote but their presence in districts give voting power to those areas), where BIPOC people are disproportionally prisoned for minor offenses like small drug charges while white people are allowed to just get a slap on the wrist for rape (Brock Turner) or profit off of owning weed dispenseries while BIPOCs that were arrested for weed posession aren’t released, and the fact that prison labour is another form of slavery. But ya know- defending a racist, misogynistic, transphobic pedophile who also has a thing for beastiality is like the same thing! Who else will defend the rich white cis man? With an apology a day we can save him from having to give up his platform where he makes money pretending he’s relatable and poor while showing off his Gucci and Hermes and his home in Calabasas. 😢

[trans-king-arthur]

Rigjt because i, as a trans pansexual man, cannot look at things from a forgiving position because i am supposed to be fueled with anger by things that happened in the past.

Anyway, the comparison to incarceration- these people, much like racist people, have done bad things. Stealing. Hurting people. Etc. these people go to jail to reform their lives, much as a racist person might take an apology and time for penance for their actions (albeit not to the same degree) now the people who are in jail are not able to do this because of the shitty conditions and constant cycle of being put back there because they have no where else to go. The comparison im making is saying that those of whom were racist have society essentiallyput them on a shit list they cannot get off of much like what those previously or currently incarserated deal with. They both did bad things and they both are getting denied the chance to reform because of the system in place. What i said has absolutely nothing to do with skin color, and its actually kinda racist that you assumed it did.

[tametsi-qq]

And it’s wrong for me, as a nonbinary afab bisexual Indigenous person to hold anger? To want accountability? I’ve been told my whole life that I’m not allowed to be angry about injustices, and I’m saying no fucking more. In some cases, looking on in a forgiving position isn’t a forgiving position, it’s a position of erasure.

Also… Who gets to define the “past”? Who gets to define when things are “too old” to be held accountable for? Because Shane talked about violent fantasies against women in 2016. Shane said disgusting things about children and animals on his podcast, which ran from 2013-2017. That’s relatively recent shit.

And I’m telling you- fucking calling me racist for pointing out the fact that so much of the conversation for redeption of incarserated individuals is based on the fact that the system is so mind numbingly racist? Fun, love that. Are we back to “I am rubber you are glue, whatever you say bounces back and sticks to you?” levels of conversation?

Also yeah, I’m going to hate him based on his riches, because a sum of that money was made off of his racist, homophobic, transphobic, misogynistic, pedophilic, and beastiality themed content. And honestly- a start of his fucking redeption could be using that money for good. Thorn- Ashton Kutcher’s nonprofit that works to address the sexual exploitation of children and to put an end to human-trafficing around the world, and supporting other good non-profit organizations is a great way to prove his apology isn’t just words.

[trans-king-arthur]

Im not telling you to forget or forgive. I am not justifying shanes actions.

And yeah, youre right. You deserve to be pissed. Youre allowed to let anger and hatred fuel you for as long as you want. Youre allowed that.

But im not going to pretend like thats healthy or that that is going to change a damn thing in this world. Hatred breeds hatred. To end the cycle, you dont have to forgive, but you have to let people have a chance to grow and be better.

You want change? Stop and think for a second, what would it take for someone to change your mind? Holding your past over your head is probably not one of them.

So do what you want. Stay hating and loathing everything. Im out here trying to save the people of the world and change it- to offer forgiveness for those of whom repent. Dont act like youre trying to change the world by filling it with more hate.

[tametsi-qq]

I’m stopping now- because honestly, I feel pinned in the sense that anything I say will just be invalidated because I’m just another angry BIPOC. And I’m tired and angry about that too.

And yeah- I have anger, but I have no absolute hatred. I think people forget that of course we’re responding with anger- marginalized people have spent so fucking long trying to change things with forgiveness, and kindness and compasion. And for that we have been killed and mocked, and our anger invalidated.

[trans-king-arthur]

Alright i see that i may not be following the beliefs that ive stated previously, so i want to do my best to dissapate the anger here and get out the facts of the matter.

I have nothing against you. Infact, there are a lot of issues right now surrounding the dissaperences of indigenious people and thats important. I support that. Im just saying this for clarification.

I do not support or wish to justify what shane has done. He did bad things and he needs to answer for them.

I am just glad that he has taken that first step towards answering for them through that video. I think that the video was honest and genuine, and i believe that he deserves a chance. If he fucks up or fails to follow through with the actions he claims to intend to do, then i will give up. Then i will consider him irredeemable. I, as a white person, am in a place to do that. The true redemption does not come until those he hurt have seen enough change in him, and thats okay.

Im sorry if any of that came accross in a way that wasnt clear, or sounded wrong, i didnt intend that, i simply want to say that for someone in his place i believe that the step he has taken is on what i believe is the right path.

[mtvmakesmewannasmokecrack]

so just to be clear. shane dawson has:

mocked trayvon martin’s death

shared a GRAPHIC fantasy about mutilating and killing a black woman who called him out on racism and misogynoir

defending pedophilia on his podcast

gave multiple racist influencers platforms

one of which he made jokes about their racist scandals the whole time

the other he sympathized with when he whined about getting called a cracker in response to calling 2 of his latino employees b**ners

made a parody of nicki minaj in black face, in which he was mostly making fun of her for having plastic surgery and having a fat ass, literally a modern day minstrel show

made a song where 2 characters were at a club and the joke was that they saw a trans woman and thought she was hot, saying the t slur in said song (only source i could find)

made a video where he jacked off to a poster of willow smith (who was ELEVEN. 11 at the time)

profited off of a character who’s literally based on black stereotypes for years

done blackface in other instances i don’t even know the context of

shouted the n word

there’s a bit in another of his old videos where he literally masquerades as an immigrant who doesn’t know much english- this hasn’t been called out yet, but i remember seeing it in 6th grade (in the same video he asks a character that’s supposed to be his mom- but just him in a wig, as usual, if white people or latin people are better, and the mom character refers to as a trick question)

refers to himself as poor in his videos to this day, even though we all know he damn well isn’t.

these are 13 instances that i alone know of. if this man doesn’t face repercussions, he will continue getting away with this shit. nothing will fucking change, this will happen every 6 months. 

[trans-king-arthur]

Im super proud of shanes apology video.

Hes not ugly crying, hes not making excuses, hes sitting there, talking about what he did wrong, does not ask for forgiveness but apologieses over and over, makes everyone aware of his ignorance and how he plans to move forward. How he plans to get better. And honestly that more than anything shows his growth as a person, qnd im proud of him for it.

[vampyrprinsen]

doesnt sound like a good apology to me.

[trans-king-arthur]

Im sorry and how was the correct way to apologize? I watched the video abd i damn well know he took responsibility for his actions, and claiming that saying his career deserves to be destroyed isnt painting himself as a victum its him admitting that he was a bad person who did bad things and that if he cant comeback from what he did he understands like.

What did you want him to say? Say that he was a phsycopath that wished harm unto others as a joke? No, hes freaking human. He is beinn aware of the choices he made abd why those choices were made while also being fully and completely honest and aware of the fact fhatthat doesnt make it okay.

He did the right thing, and yeah he admits that for a LONG TIME hes DISSACOCIATED with that person he was in the past and EXPLAINS that thats how he felt about it before, but then has now chosen to come forward and accept those mistakes as his own.

He never makes a real excuse for anything he did. He explains his thoughts, tells why those thoughts dont make it okay, and apologizes.

But nah yall out for blood bc anything that doesnt fit your perfect image is immediatly something worthy of death-

And im not here for the catholic crusades again im here for love abd peace abd redemption.

Yall talk a lot of redemption and help for the incarcerated but you dont have the same energy here and its dissapointing.

[tametsi-qq]

Two quick things, 1) where is anyone in this thread, ASIDE FROM YOU, calling for Shane’s death? This isn’t just about “cancelling” him, this is holding him accountable for his actions. In the video he says he recognized that his actions were wrong- So why didn’t he just apologize when he realized that his actions were disgusting? Why did it take him being mass called out for him to apologize? To remove those videos from his channel? Holding people accountable DOES NOT EQUAL wishing physical ill will upon them.

2) Where has he redeemed himself? Shane’s said an apology to the viewers, and to his cousin- the Smiths when they got involved had clearly not recieved an apology. Besides that- an apology is just words unless you have the actions to back it up. What actions has Shane taken? Other than releasing a shitty notes apology where he still claimed that James Charles deserved “humble pie”, and a weak video apology where he definitely stated “I tried to distance myself from that person”- he says when HE’S BEEN PROFITING OFF OF THE “ACTIONS OF THAT PERSON” FOR YEARS. Shane was still selling Shanaynay merch until fairly recently.

Also… On apologies. People don’t have to accept apologies. Apologies aren’t “get out of jail free” cards, apologies without concrete actions are words that make the person apologizing feel better about themselves- it doesn’t solve the issue. Besides that- I as a non-black person, cannot decide that Shane’s apology about doing black face (MULTIPLE TIMES) is enough. The same goes for his multiple counts of brown face- Guadalupe? Anyone? Fruit Lupe? Or his racism against asian people (in the beginning of his video about his 12 year old cousin giving a lapdance he does a racist chinese impression), or his anti-scemetic jokes against his manager Lauren. And frankly- I don’t accept his apology for his pedophilic actions, or his beastiality comments (and actions. That cringe video of him with Jenna Marble’s dog Peach, and Twinkie), because he hasn’t taken any actions to right his wrongs aside from covering his rich white ass.

Also I was really trying to keep this short but I think there’s a BIG DIFFERENCE between talking about how the prison system is a form of systemic racism against black people and other people of colour and holding a rich white man acountable for his actions- particularly when he profited off of and gained literally everything he has off of the mockery of marginalized people. Sorry, but you’re being fucking racist and maybe you should think about why you so desperately feel the need to defend a man that frankly- doesn’t deserve it.

… and no that’s still not me calling for his death, I just don’t want him to have a platform anymore.

[trans-king-arthur]

Ah, i see, we both want to misread eachothers posts. I wasnt refering to his death in the litteral sense, i was refering to it in a social one, which is litterally his entire career.

Also, i did not say he redeemed himself, that he should be given a chance to. And that he has made the first step towards that through the video.

[tametsi-qq]

I would totally celebrate the death of his career, I’d rather him fade into obscurity instead of a weird twisting of death of the author (death of acknowledging problematic past works?) to remove him from his past creations.

I’m also not sure where I stand on Shane redeeming himself- because again, I don’t get to deem his apologetic actions for the majority of the problematic shit he’s done.

Also? Are you just going to ignore your horrid racist take on the discussion around incarceration? Like. I’m still fucked up over that. Particularly in the context of America- where prisons are another way of controlling elections (prisoners can’t vote but their presence in districts give voting power to those areas), where BIPOC people are disproportionally prisoned for minor offenses like small drug charges while white people are allowed to just get a slap on the wrist for rape (Brock Turner) or profit off of owning weed dispenseries while BIPOCs that were arrested for weed posession aren’t released, and the fact that prison labour is another form of slavery. But ya know- defending a racist, misogynistic, transphobic pedophile who also has a thing for beastiality is like the same thing! Who else will defend the rich white cis man? With an apology a day we can save him from having to give up his platform where he makes money pretending he’s relatable and poor while showing off his Gucci and Hermes and his home in Calabasas. 😢

[trans-king-arthur]

Rigjt because i, as a trans pansexual man, cannot look at things from a forgiving position because i am supposed to be fueled with anger by things that happened in the past.

Anyway, the comparison to incarceration- these people, much like racist people, have done bad things. Stealing. Hurting people. Etc. these people go to jail to reform their lives, much as a racist person might take an apology and time for penance for their actions (albeit not to the same degree) now the people who are in jail are not able to do this because of the shitty conditions and constant cycle of being put back there because they have no where else to go. The comparison im making is saying that those of whom were racist have society essentiallyput them on a shit list they cannot get off of much like what those previously or currently incarserated deal with. They both did bad things and they both are getting denied the chance to reform because of the system in place. What i said has absolutely nothing to do with skin color, and its actually kinda racist that you assumed it did.

[tametsi-qq]

And it’s wrong for me, as a nonbinary afab bisexual Indigenous person to hold anger? To want accountability? I’ve been told my whole life that I’m not allowed to be angry about injustices, and I’m saying no fucking more. In some cases, looking on in a forgiving position isn’t a forgiving position, it’s a position of erasure.

Also… Who gets to define the “past”? Who gets to define when things are “too old” to be held accountable for? Because Shane talked about violent fantasies against women in 2016. Shane said disgusting things about children and animals on his podcast, which ran from 2013-2017. That’s relatively recent shit.

And I’m telling you- fucking calling me racist for pointing out the fact that so much of the conversation for redeption of incarserated individuals is based on the fact that the system is so mind numbingly racist? Fun, love that. Are we back to “I am rubber you are glue, whatever you say bounces back and sticks to you?” levels of conversation?

Also yeah, I’m going to hate him based on his riches, because a sum of that money was made off of his racist, homophobic, transphobic, misogynistic, pedophilic, and beastiality themed content. And honestly- a start of his fucking redeption could be using that money for good. Thorn- Ashton Kutcher’s nonprofit that works to address the sexual exploitation of children and to put an end to human-trafficing around the world, and supporting other good non-profit organizations is a great way to prove his apology isn’t just words.

[trans-king-arthur]

Im not telling you to forget or forgive. I am not justifying shanes actions.

And yeah, youre right. You deserve to be pissed. Youre allowed to let anger and hatred fuel you for as long as you want. Youre allowed that.

But im not going to pretend like thats healthy or that that is going to change a damn thing in this world. Hatred breeds hatred. To end the cycle, you dont have to forgive, but you have to let people have a chance to grow and be better.

You want change? Stop and think for a second, what would it take for someone to change your mind? Holding your past over your head is probably not one of them.

So do what you want. Stay hating and loathing everything. Im out here trying to save the people of the world and change it- to offer forgiveness for those of whom repent. Dont act like youre trying to change the world by filling it with more hate.

[tametsi-qq]

I’m stopping now- because honestly, I feel pinned in the sense that anything I say will just be invalidated because I’m just another angry BIPOC. And I’m tired and angry about that too.

And yeah- I have anger, but I have no absolute hatred. I think people forget that of course we’re responding with anger- marginalized people have spent so fucking long trying to change things with forgiveness, and kindness and compasion. And for that we have been killed and mocked, and our anger invalidated.

[trans-king-arthur]

Nah dont hide shit in the comments say it to me. Im sitting here trying to point out the fac tthat people should be allowed the chance to move on and instead of listening or reading what i have said you have chosen to take it as a personal attack based on your skin color which is kinda fuckin racist.

Im white. Yeah. And i also know for a fact that i have native american, african, asian, and european in my blood. And none, not a single piece of that, justifies me or anyone else to hate or assume someone is bad because of their skin color.

Im not invalidating your anger. And if you genuinly thought that then you havent been paying attention to anything ive said. Also, anger comes from hate and if you cant tell that your natural hate for anyone white is a problem then what are you fighting for? Are you fighting to end white people or are you fighting for equality because im getting kind of confused here.

Youre not the holy grail of people just because something happened to you or your immediate cultural genetics. We all human. We alll gotthe same shit, same past, same right and same need to right wrongs of the past.

We all have the same responsibility to help each other learn and grow from our mistakes.

But right, im a clown for wanting equality. Mb.

[mtvmakesmewannasmokecrack]

so just to be clear. shane dawson has:

mocked trayvon martin’s death

shared a GRAPHIC fantasy about mutilating and killing a black woman who called him out on racism and misogynoir

defending pedophilia on his podcast

gave multiple racist influencers platforms

one of which he made jokes about their racist scandals the whole time

the other he sympathized with when he whined about getting called a cracker in response to calling 2 of his latino employees b**ners

made a parody of nicki minaj in black face, in which he was mostly making fun of her for having plastic surgery and having a fat ass, literally a modern day minstrel show

made a song where 2 characters were at a club and the joke was that they saw a trans woman and thought she was hot, saying the t slur in said song (only source i could find)

made a video where he jacked off to a poster of willow smith (who was ELEVEN. 11 at the time)

profited off of a character who’s literally based on black stereotypes for years

done blackface in other instances i don’t even know the context of

shouted the n word

there’s a bit in another of his old videos where he literally masquerades as an immigrant who doesn’t know much english- this hasn’t been called out yet, but i remember seeing it in 6th grade (in the same video he asks a character that’s supposed to be his mom- but just him in a wig, as usual, if white people or latin people are better, and the mom character refers to as a trick question)

refers to himself as poor in his videos to this day, even though we all know he damn well isn’t.

these are 13 instances that i alone know of. if this man doesn’t face repercussions, he will continue getting away with this shit. nothing will fucking change, this will happen every 6 months. 

[trans-king-arthur]

Im super proud of shanes apology video.

Hes not ugly crying, hes not making excuses, hes sitting there, talking about what he did wrong, does not ask for forgiveness but apologieses over and over, makes everyone aware of his ignorance and how he plans to move forward. How he plans to get better. And honestly that more than anything shows his growth as a person, qnd im proud of him for it.

[vampyrprinsen]

doesnt sound like a good apology to me.

[trans-king-arthur]

Im sorry and how was the correct way to apologize? I watched the video abd i damn well know he took responsibility for his actions, and claiming that saying his career deserves to be destroyed isnt painting himself as a victum its him admitting that he was a bad person who did bad things and that if he cant comeback from what he did he understands like.

What did you want him to say? Say that he was a phsycopath that wished harm unto others as a joke? No, hes freaking human. He is beinn aware of the choices he made abd why those choices were made while also being fully and completely honest and aware of the fact fhatthat doesnt make it okay.

He did the right thing, and yeah he admits that for a LONG TIME hes DISSACOCIATED with that person he was in the past and EXPLAINS that thats how he felt about it before, but then has now chosen to come forward and accept those mistakes as his own.

He never makes a real excuse for anything he did. He explains his thoughts, tells why those thoughts dont make it okay, and apologizes.

But nah yall out for blood bc anything that doesnt fit your perfect image is immediatly something worthy of death-

And im not here for the catholic crusades again im here for love abd peace abd redemption.

Yall talk a lot of redemption and help for the incarcerated but you dont have the same energy here and its dissapointing.

[tametsi-qq]

Two quick things, 1) where is anyone in this thread, ASIDE FROM YOU, calling for Shane’s death? This isn’t just about “cancelling” him, this is holding him accountable for his actions. In the video he says he recognized that his actions were wrong- So why didn’t he just apologize when he realized that his actions were disgusting? Why did it take him being mass called out for him to apologize? To remove those videos from his channel? Holding people accountable DOES NOT EQUAL wishing physical ill will upon them.

2) Where has he redeemed himself? Shane’s said an apology to the viewers, and to his cousin- the Smiths when they got involved had clearly not recieved an apology. Besides that- an apology is just words unless you have the actions to back it up. What actions has Shane taken? Other than releasing a shitty notes apology where he still claimed that James Charles deserved “humble pie”, and a weak video apology where he definitely stated “I tried to distance myself from that person”- he says when HE’S BEEN PROFITING OFF OF THE “ACTIONS OF THAT PERSON” FOR YEARS. Shane was still selling Shanaynay merch until fairly recently.

Also… On apologies. People don’t have to accept apologies. Apologies aren’t “get out of jail free” cards, apologies without concrete actions are words that make the person apologizing feel better about themselves- it doesn’t solve the issue. Besides that- I as a non-black person, cannot decide that Shane’s apology about doing black face (MULTIPLE TIMES) is enough. The same goes for his multiple counts of brown face- Guadalupe? Anyone? Fruit Lupe? Or his racism against asian people (in the beginning of his video about his 12 year old cousin giving a lapdance he does a racist chinese impression), or his anti-scemetic jokes against his manager Lauren. And frankly- I don’t accept his apology for his pedophilic actions, or his beastiality comments (and actions. That cringe video of him with Jenna Marble’s dog Peach, and Twinkie), because he hasn’t taken any actions to right his wrongs aside from covering his rich white ass.

Also I was really trying to keep this short but I think there’s a BIG DIFFERENCE between talking about how the prison system is a form of systemic racism against black people and other people of colour and holding a rich white man acountable for his actions- particularly when he profited off of and gained literally everything he has off of the mockery of marginalized people. Sorry, but you’re being fucking racist and maybe you should think about why you so desperately feel the need to defend a man that frankly- doesn’t deserve it.

… and no that’s still not me calling for his death, I just don’t want him to have a platform anymore.

[trans-king-arthur]

Ah, i see, we both want to misread eachothers posts. I wasnt refering to his death in the litteral sense, i was refering to it in a social one, which is litterally his entire career.

Also, i did not say he redeemed himself, that he should be given a chance to. And that he has made the first step towards that through the video.

[tametsi-qq]

I would totally celebrate the death of his career, I’d rather him fade into obscurity instead of a weird twisting of death of the author (death of acknowledging problematic past works?) to remove him from his past creations.

I’m also not sure where I stand on Shane redeeming himself- because again, I don’t get to deem his apologetic actions for the majority of the problematic shit he’s done.

Also? Are you just going to ignore your horrid racist take on the discussion around incarceration? Like. I’m still fucked up over that. Particularly in the context of America- where prisons are another way of controlling elections (prisoners can’t vote but their presence in districts give voting power to those areas), where BIPOC people are disproportionally prisoned for minor offenses like small drug charges while white people are allowed to just get a slap on the wrist for rape (Brock Turner) or profit off of owning weed dispenseries while BIPOCs that were arrested for weed posession aren’t released, and the fact that prison labour is another form of slavery. But ya know- defending a racist, misogynistic, transphobic pedophile who also has a thing for beastiality is like the same thing! Who else will defend the rich white cis man? With an apology a day we can save him from having to give up his platform where he makes money pretending he’s relatable and poor while showing off his Gucci and Hermes and his home in Calabasas. 😢

[trans-king-arthur]

Rigjt because i, as a trans pansexual man, cannot look at things from a forgiving position because i am supposed to be fueled with anger by things that happened in the past.

Anyway, the comparison to incarceration- these people, much like racist people, have done bad things. Stealing. Hurting people. Etc. these people go to jail to reform their lives, much as a racist person might take an apology and time for penance for their actions (albeit not to the same degree) now the people who are in jail are not able to do this because of the shitty conditions and constant cycle of being put back there because they have no where else to go. The comparison im making is saying that those of whom were racist have society essentiallyput them on a shit list they cannot get off of much like what those previously or currently incarserated deal with. They both did bad things and they both are getting denied the chance to reform because of the system in place. What i said has absolutely nothing to do with skin color, and its actually kinda racist that you assumed it did.

[tametsi-qq]

And it’s wrong for me, as a nonbinary afab bisexual Indigenous person to hold anger? To want accountability? I’ve been told my whole life that I’m not allowed to be angry about injustices, and I’m saying no fucking more. In some cases, looking on in a forgiving position isn’t a forgiving position, it’s a position of erasure.

Also… Who gets to define the “past”? Who gets to define when things are “too old” to be held accountable for? Because Shane talked about violent fantasies against women in 2016. Shane said disgusting things about children and animals on his podcast, which ran from 2013-2017. That’s relatively recent shit.

And I’m telling you- fucking calling me racist for pointing out the fact that so much of the conversation for redeption of incarserated individuals is based on the fact that the system is so mind numbingly racist? Fun, love that. Are we back to “I am rubber you are glue, whatever you say bounces back and sticks to you?” levels of conversation?

Also yeah, I’m going to hate him based on his riches, because a sum of that money was made off of his racist, homophobic, transphobic, misogynistic, pedophilic, and beastiality themed content. And honestly- a start of his fucking redeption could be using that money for good. Thorn- Ashton Kutcher’s nonprofit that works to address the sexual exploitation of children and to put an end to human-trafficing around the world, and supporting other good non-profit organizations is a great way to prove his apology isn’t just words.

[trans-king-arthur]

Im not telling you to forget or forgive. I am not justifying shanes actions.

And yeah, youre right. You deserve to be pissed. Youre allowed to let anger and hatred fuel you for as long as you want. Youre allowed that.

But im not going to pretend like thats healthy or that that is going to change a damn thing in this world. Hatred breeds hatred. To end the cycle, you dont have to forgive, but you have to let people have a chance to grow and be better.

You want change? Stop and think for a second, what would it take for someone to change your mind? Holding your past over your head is probably not one of them.

So do what you want. Stay hating and loathing everything. Im out here trying to save the people of the world and change it- to offer forgiveness for those of whom repent. Dont act like youre trying to change the world by filling it with more hate.

[trans-king-arthur]

Im fuckin crying those JTK things showing up while I'm watching a micro doc on where it originated from lmao. Hope you're doing okay fam ♡

Uh, lowkey, im sure its based on something real, but it is like, hella dramatisized right? Just curious lol

[trans-king-arthur]

Hey hey you yeah I think you're awesome, no way no way I think you should have a good day

Thanks, i needed this

[mtvmakesmewannasmokecrack]

so just to be clear. shane dawson has:

mocked trayvon martin’s death

shared a GRAPHIC fantasy about mutilating and killing a black woman who called him out on racism and misogynoir

defending pedophilia on his podcast

gave multiple racist influencers platforms

one of which he made jokes about their racist scandals the whole time

the other he sympathized with when he whined about getting called a cracker in response to calling 2 of his latino employees b**ners

made a parody of nicki minaj in black face, in which he was mostly making fun of her for having plastic surgery and having a fat ass, literally a modern day minstrel show

made a song where 2 characters were at a club and the joke was that they saw a trans woman and thought she was hot, saying the t slur in said song (only source i could find)

made a video where he jacked off to a poster of willow smith (who was ELEVEN. 11 at the time)

profited off of a character who’s literally based on black stereotypes for years

done blackface in other instances i don’t even know the context of

shouted the n word

there’s a bit in another of his old videos where he literally masquerades as an immigrant who doesn’t know much english- this hasn’t been called out yet, but i remember seeing it in 6th grade (in the same video he asks a character that’s supposed to be his mom- but just him in a wig, as usual, if white people or latin people are better, and the mom character refers to as a trick question)

refers to himself as poor in his videos to this day, even though we all know he damn well isn’t.

these are 13 instances that i alone know of. if this man doesn’t face repercussions, he will continue getting away with this shit. nothing will fucking change, this will happen every 6 months. 

[trans-king-arthur]

Im super proud of shanes apology video.

Hes not ugly crying, hes not making excuses, hes sitting there, talking about what he did wrong, does not ask for forgiveness but apologieses over and over, makes everyone aware of his ignorance and how he plans to move forward. How he plans to get better. And honestly that more than anything shows his growth as a person, qnd im proud of him for it.

[vampyrprinsen]

doesnt sound like a good apology to me.

[trans-king-arthur]

Im sorry and how was the correct way to apologize? I watched the video abd i damn well know he took responsibility for his actions, and claiming that saying his career deserves to be destroyed isnt painting himself as a victum its him admitting that he was a bad person who did bad things and that if he cant comeback from what he did he understands like.

What did you want him to say? Say that he was a phsycopath that wished harm unto others as a joke? No, hes freaking human. He is beinn aware of the choices he made abd why those choices were made while also being fully and completely honest and aware of the fact fhatthat doesnt make it okay.

He did the right thing, and yeah he admits that for a LONG TIME hes DISSACOCIATED with that person he was in the past and EXPLAINS that thats how he felt about it before, but then has now chosen to come forward and accept those mistakes as his own.

He never makes a real excuse for anything he did. He explains his thoughts, tells why those thoughts dont make it okay, and apologizes.

But nah yall out for blood bc anything that doesnt fit your perfect image is immediatly something worthy of death-

And im not here for the catholic crusades again im here for love abd peace abd redemption.

Yall talk a lot of redemption and help for the incarcerated but you dont have the same energy here and its dissapointing.

[tametsi-qq]

Two quick things, 1) where is anyone in this thread, ASIDE FROM YOU, calling for Shane’s death? This isn’t just about “cancelling” him, this is holding him accountable for his actions. In the video he says he recognized that his actions were wrong- So why didn’t he just apologize when he realized that his actions were disgusting? Why did it take him being mass called out for him to apologize? To remove those videos from his channel? Holding people accountable DOES NOT EQUAL wishing physical ill will upon them.

2) Where has he redeemed himself? Shane’s said an apology to the viewers, and to his cousin- the Smiths when they got involved had clearly not recieved an apology. Besides that- an apology is just words unless you have the actions to back it up. What actions has Shane taken? Other than releasing a shitty notes apology where he still claimed that James Charles deserved “humble pie”, and a weak video apology where he definitely stated “I tried to distance myself from that person”- he says when HE’S BEEN PROFITING OFF OF THE “ACTIONS OF THAT PERSON” FOR YEARS. Shane was still selling Shanaynay merch until fairly recently.

Also… On apologies. People don’t have to accept apologies. Apologies aren’t “get out of jail free” cards, apologies without concrete actions are words that make the person apologizing feel better about themselves- it doesn’t solve the issue. Besides that- I as a non-black person, cannot decide that Shane’s apology about doing black face (MULTIPLE TIMES) is enough. The same goes for his multiple counts of brown face- Guadalupe? Anyone? Fruit Lupe? Or his racism against asian people (in the beginning of his video about his 12 year old cousin giving a lapdance he does a racist chinese impression), or his anti-scemetic jokes against his manager Lauren. And frankly- I don’t accept his apology for his pedophilic actions, or his beastiality comments (and actions. That cringe video of him with Jenna Marble’s dog Peach, and Twinkie), because he hasn’t taken any actions to right his wrongs aside from covering his rich white ass.

Also I was really trying to keep this short but I think there’s a BIG DIFFERENCE between talking about how the prison system is a form of systemic racism against black people and other people of colour and holding a rich white man acountable for his actions- particularly when he profited off of and gained literally everything he has off of the mockery of marginalized people. Sorry, but you’re being fucking racist and maybe you should think about why you so desperately feel the need to defend a man that frankly- doesn’t deserve it.

… and no that’s still not me calling for his death, I just don’t want him to have a platform anymore.

[trans-king-arthur]

Ah, i see, we both want to misread eachothers posts. I wasnt refering to his death in the litteral sense, i was refering to it in a social one, which is litterally his entire career.

Also, i did not say he redeemed himself, that he should be given a chance to. And that he has made the first step towards that through the video.

[tametsi-qq]

I would totally celebrate the death of his career, I’d rather him fade into obscurity instead of a weird twisting of death of the author (death of acknowledging problematic past works?) to remove him from his past creations.

I’m also not sure where I stand on Shane redeeming himself- because again, I don’t get to deem his apologetic actions for the majority of the problematic shit he’s done.

Also? Are you just going to ignore your horrid racist take on the discussion around incarceration? Like. I’m still fucked up over that. Particularly in the context of America- where prisons are another way of controlling elections (prisoners can’t vote but their presence in districts give voting power to those areas), where BIPOC people are disproportionally prisoned for minor offenses like small drug charges while white people are allowed to just get a slap on the wrist for rape (Brock Turner) or profit off of owning weed dispenseries while BIPOCs that were arrested for weed posession aren’t released, and the fact that prison labour is another form of slavery. But ya know- defending a racist, misogynistic, transphobic pedophile who also has a thing for beastiality is like the same thing! Who else will defend the rich white cis man? With an apology a day we can save him from having to give up his platform where he makes money pretending he’s relatable and poor while showing off his Gucci and Hermes and his home in Calabasas. 😢

[trans-king-arthur]

Rigjt because i, as a trans pansexual man, cannot look at things from a forgiving position because i am supposed to be fueled with anger by things that happened in the past.

Anyway, the comparison to incarceration- these people, much like racist people, have done bad things. Stealing. Hurting people. Etc. these people go to jail to reform their lives, much as a racist person might take an apology and time for penance for their actions (albeit not to the same degree) now the people who are in jail are not able to do this because of the shitty conditions and constant cycle of being put back there because they have no where else to go. The comparison im making is saying that those of whom were racist have society essentiallyput them on a shit list they cannot get off of much like what those previously or currently incarserated deal with. They both did bad things and they both are getting denied the chance to reform because of the system in place. What i said has absolutely nothing to do with skin color, and its actually kinda racist that you assumed it did.

[mtvmakesmewannasmokecrack]

so just to be clear. shane dawson has:

mocked trayvon martin’s death

shared a GRAPHIC fantasy about mutilating and killing a black woman who called him out on racism and misogynoir

defending pedophilia on his podcast

gave multiple racist influencers platforms

one of which he made jokes about their racist scandals the whole time

the other he sympathized with when he whined about getting called a cracker in response to calling 2 of his latino employees b**ners

made a parody of nicki minaj in black face, in which he was mostly making fun of her for having plastic surgery and having a fat ass, literally a modern day minstrel show

made a song where 2 characters were at a club and the joke was that they saw a trans woman and thought she was hot, saying the t slur in said song (only source i could find)

made a video where he jacked off to a poster of willow smith (who was ELEVEN. 11 at the time)

profited off of a character who’s literally based on black stereotypes for years

done blackface in other instances i don’t even know the context of

shouted the n word

there’s a bit in another of his old videos where he literally masquerades as an immigrant who doesn’t know much english- this hasn’t been called out yet, but i remember seeing it in 6th grade (in the same video he asks a character that’s supposed to be his mom- but just him in a wig, as usual, if white people or latin people are better, and the mom character refers to as a trick question)

refers to himself as poor in his videos to this day, even though we all know he damn well isn’t.

these are 13 instances that i alone know of. if this man doesn’t face repercussions, he will continue getting away with this shit. nothing will fucking change, this will happen every 6 months. 

[trans-king-arthur]

Im super proud of shanes apology video.

Hes not ugly crying, hes not making excuses, hes sitting there, talking about what he did wrong, does not ask for forgiveness but apologieses over and over, makes everyone aware of his ignorance and how he plans to move forward. How he plans to get better. And honestly that more than anything shows his growth as a person, qnd im proud of him for it.

[vampyrprinsen]

doesnt sound like a good apology to me.

[trans-king-arthur]

Im sorry and how was the correct way to apologize? I watched the video abd i damn well know he took responsibility for his actions, and claiming that saying his career deserves to be destroyed isnt painting himself as a victum its him admitting that he was a bad person who did bad things and that if he cant comeback from what he did he understands like.

What did you want him to say? Say that he was a phsycopath that wished harm unto others as a joke? No, hes freaking human. He is beinn aware of the choices he made abd why those choices were made while also being fully and completely honest and aware of the fact fhatthat doesnt make it okay.

He did the right thing, and yeah he admits that for a LONG TIME hes DISSACOCIATED with that person he was in the past and EXPLAINS that thats how he felt about it before, but then has now chosen to come forward and accept those mistakes as his own.

He never makes a real excuse for anything he did. He explains his thoughts, tells why those thoughts dont make it okay, and apologizes.

But nah yall out for blood bc anything that doesnt fit your perfect image is immediatly something worthy of death-

And im not here for the catholic crusades again im here for love abd peace abd redemption.

Yall talk a lot of redemption and help for the incarcerated but you dont have the same energy here and its dissapointing.

[tametsi-qq]

Two quick things, 1) where is anyone in this thread, ASIDE FROM YOU, calling for Shane’s death? This isn’t just about “cancelling” him, this is holding him accountable for his actions. In the video he says he recognized that his actions were wrong- So why didn’t he just apologize when he realized that his actions were disgusting? Why did it take him being mass called out for him to apologize? To remove those videos from his channel? Holding people accountable DOES NOT EQUAL wishing physical ill will upon them.

2) Where has he redeemed himself? Shane’s said an apology to the viewers, and to his cousin- the Smiths when they got involved had clearly not recieved an apology. Besides that- an apology is just words unless you have the actions to back it up. What actions has Shane taken? Other than releasing a shitty notes apology where he still claimed that James Charles deserved “humble pie”, and a weak video apology where he definitely stated “I tried to distance myself from that person”- he says when HE’S BEEN PROFITING OFF OF THE “ACTIONS OF THAT PERSON” FOR YEARS. Shane was still selling Shanaynay merch until fairly recently.

Also… On apologies. People don’t have to accept apologies. Apologies aren’t “get out of jail free” cards, apologies without concrete actions are words that make the person apologizing feel better about themselves- it doesn’t solve the issue. Besides that- I as a non-black person, cannot decide that Shane’s apology about doing black face (MULTIPLE TIMES) is enough. The same goes for his multiple counts of brown face- Guadalupe? Anyone? Fruit Lupe? Or his racism against asian people (in the beginning of his video about his 12 year old cousin giving a lapdance he does a racist chinese impression), or his anti-scemetic jokes against his manager Lauren. And frankly- I don’t accept his apology for his pedophilic actions, or his beastiality comments (and actions. That cringe video of him with Jenna Marble’s dog Peach, and Twinkie), because he hasn’t taken any actions to right his wrongs aside from covering his rich white ass.

Also I was really trying to keep this short but I think there’s a BIG DIFFERENCE between talking about how the prison system is a form of systemic racism against black people and other people of colour and holding a rich white man acountable for his actions- particularly when he profited off of and gained literally everything he has off of the mockery of marginalized people. Sorry, but you’re being fucking racist and maybe you should think about why you so desperately feel the need to defend a man that frankly- doesn’t deserve it.

… and no that’s still not me calling for his death, I just don’t want him to have a platform anymore.

[trans-king-arthur]

Ah, i see, we both want to misread eachothers posts. I wasnt refering to his death in the litteral sense, i was refering to it in a social one, which is litterally his entire career.

Also, i did not say he redeemed himself, that he should be given a chance to. And that he has made the first step towards that through the video.

[trans-king-arthur]

jeff the killer is real actually

Yeah and so is the slenderman and smile dog.

[maskysgirlfriendmoved-deactivat]

“ i am real....stop ignoring me...so are smile dog and slenderman...”

[trans-king-arthur]

Wow that realistic photo really g o t m e

[maskysgirlfriendmoved-deactivat]

“ dont mock me you sloppy simpson.”

[trans-king-arthur]

Dude if you have a problem with me try talking about it with me instead of whatever. This is.

[maskysgirlfriendmoved-deactivat]

“ you dont get it do you? heh...of course you dont thats how all you  are...you don’t get it....you don’t get it...”

[trans-king-arthur]

First off bold of you to assume i want to live, second, killing people isnt going to change peoples minds, its going to villianized the truth

[maskysgirlfriendmoved-deactivat]

jeff

the killer

[trans-king-arthur]

Oh no i s c a re d

[trans-king-arthur]

jeff the killer is real actually

Yeah and so is the slenderman and smile dog.

[maskysgirlfriendmoved-deactivat]

“ i am real....stop ignoring me...so are smile dog and slenderman...”

[trans-king-arthur]

Wow that realistic photo really g o t m e

[maskysgirlfriendmoved-deactivat]

“ dont mock me you sloppy simpson.”

[trans-king-arthur]

Dude if you have a problem with me try talking about it with me instead of whatever. This is.

[maskysgirlfriendmoved-deactivat]

“ you dont get it do you? heh...of course you dont thats how all you  are...you don’t get it....you don’t get it...”

[trans-king-arthur]

First off bold of you to assume i want to live, second, killing people isnt going to change peoples minds, its going to villianized the truth

[trans-king-arthur]

jeff the killer is real actually

Yeah and so is the slenderman and smile dog.

[maskysgirlfriendmoved-deactivat]

“ i am real....stop ignoring me...so are smile dog and slenderman...”

[trans-king-arthur]

Wow that realistic photo really g o t m e

[maskysgirlfriendmoved-deactivat]

“ dont mock me you sloppy simpson.”

[trans-king-arthur]

Dude if you have a problem with me try talking about it with me instead of whatever. This is.

[trans-king-arthur]

jeff the killer is real actually

Yeah and so is the slenderman and smile dog.

[maskysgirlfriendmoved-deactivat]

“ i am real....stop ignoring me...so are smile dog and slenderman...”

[trans-king-arthur]

Wow that realistic photo really g o t m e

[trans-king-arthur]

multiple black people have pointed out that he isnt and theyre effected by his antiblackness and how youre acting you obviously arent effected by it. listen to black voices

Well no shit. Obviously he talks about the girl who he had, for a long time, ignored and hated because of his ignorance. And he apologized to that person. Not giving people a chance to grow isnt going to change anything.

[trans-king-arthur]

jeff the killer is real actually

Yeah and so is the slenderman and smile dog.

[trans-king-arthur]

why do you spell cancel as cancell

Why do yoy feel the need to call me out on pointless grammer instead of make a proper educated responce to the wrongs in which you percieved me to make?

[trans-king-arthur]

hey are you white because you sound very white

Ah yes, i must sound white because i wish for a society to be able to learn and grow from their past mistakes that are definitly mistakes instead of feeling the need to constantly demeen and fight against those people which will only bode to fuel their hatred and racism and continue the cyle of racism in the world. And im using my voice as a white person to send a message that says that we as a society beed to learn and grow from eachother rather than being at each others throats thereby creating the peace we all want from these protests.

Or are you assuming im white because you assume that i am “defending” a persons bad actions by saying that they did a good thi ng when they came forward and admitted to their mistakes?

Im not defending shit. Im pointing out the good first steps someone is taking in order to grow as a person.