Emotional Depth: Wears his heart quietly on his sleeve. Emotions close to the surface, not fully processed.
Connection to Loki: Hints and dreams, fragmented visions, haunted but unaware.
How he loves: Awkward, shy, desperate and starved for affection he doesnāt believe he deserves, clumsy but sincere.
Fears: Being left behind, being ānothingā, being insignificant, forgotten, alone or rejected.
Trust: Hesitant but possible, given cautiously, broken easily.
Biggest Conflict: His own identity, Who is he really? vs the role heās expected to play. (Ų§ŪŁ ŲØŪŲŖŪŲ Ł Ł Ų§ŁŲ§Ų/whereās my home? Who am I?)
Symbolic Role: The seeker of truth, searching for his path.
Tone & Dialogue: Curious, emotional, sometimes uncertain. Often asks questions to understand.
Intent & Purpose: Seeking identity, meaning and justice. Driven by a need to belong.
Skills: Still learning, excellent at stealth, parkour, quick thinking.
Position in the Hidden Ones: New recruit of the Hidden Ones. Initiate. Apprentice.
Human Relationships: Craves connection, specially with his Mentor and friends. Builds bonds slowly but genuinely.
Worldview: Idealistic with a tinge of doubt and guilt. Believes change is possible.
Valhalla & Modern Basim are just down below: ā¬ļø
Valhalla Basim
Age & Experience: Older, mature, calculating, forged by betrayal and hardened by pain. Already became.
Motivation: Wants revenge. Seeks closure, maybe even chaos. Justice warped by pain.
Personality: Cold, intense, calculating and sharp. Logic over sentiment.
Emotional Depth: Burying emotions under layers of control. Deep emotions buried under iron discipline.
Connection to Loki: Fully awakened. Wears the burden of duality. The voice inside has a name.
How he loves: Silent, fierce , protective, his love is strategy and instinct. Quiet but he overprotects more than he speaks.
Fears: Losing control and becoming someone he canāt come back from. Losing himself to revenge or to Loki.
Trust: Rare. Earned at great cost and once earned, unshakable and defended with fire.
Biggest Conflict: The weight of what he knows and what heās become. Who he is vs what heās become.
Symbolic Role: The ghost in the machine. Watching. Waiting. Pulling strings. Loki guiding him. (Basim and Loki arenāt the same. Two different individuals, okay?)
Tone & Dialogue: Calm, sharp, layered with hidden meaning. Speaks less but every word is loaded.
Intent & Purpose: Seeking revenge, truth and cosmic justice. Purpose has hardened into resolve.
Skills: Master of deception, combat, stealth and manipulation. Deadly and precise.
Position in the Hidden Ones: Mentor of the Hidden Ones on an exile. Veteran, rogue. Has distanced himself from the hidden ones. Independent.
Human Relationships: Keeps people at a distance. Loyalty is rare but unbreakable when earned.
Worldview: Cynical. Sees the world as a system to be manipulated not mended.
Modern Basim
Age & Experience: Ancient soul in a modern shell. Centuries of knowledge and scars.
Motivation: Balance, manipulation. Preparing for whatās to come.
Personality: Controlled, detached, as always ten steps ahead.
Emotional Depth: Emotions turned into strategy, still present but weaponized.
Connection to Loki: Symbiosis or struggle? Hard to say. The line is blurred and he may no longer care. Have made peace with the duality inside. Basim seems to be in control of the body. Still, Lokiās motivations, rage and past relationships are clearly steering many of Basimās modern day actions.
How he loves: Purposeful and intense. Love becomes survival āruthless but real.
Fears: Losing control or worse; losing humanity.
Trust: Practically nonexistent at this point but if given, it means everything.
Biggest Conflict: Who he serves vs who he used to be and whether he still cares.
Symbolic Role: The keeper of truth and its consequences. The judge and holder of knowledge. (Iām not sure if Modern Basim has completely handed over control to Loki, if they still coexist somehow or if Loki is partly gone.)
Tone & Dialogue: Measured, deliberate, almost surgical. Rarely speaks more than necessary.
Intent & Purpose: Managing outcomes. Balancing agendas. Driven by foresight more than feeling.
Skills: Ancient assassin with modern tech expertise. Efficient and unpredictable.
Position in the Hidden Ones: Cooperates with William Miles. Operates independently. Wields knowledge like a weapon.
Human Relationships: Detached. Relationships are either tools or vulnerabilities. (rare exceptions may exist)
Worldview: Coldly realistic, burdened by knowledge and duality. The world is cruel but not without design.
i don't like the growing opinion that people are being 'too hard' on deku for his failing to save shigaraki.
i've seen quite a few people complaining that a lot of the bnha-critical crowd are being too mean to deku for getting tomura killed, arguing that it isn't really his fault, and that hes a 16 year old child soldier who's been failed by almost every adult in his life, why should we be putting all of this on his shoulders? hes just a kid after all?
and the truth is, they're right. deku IS a 16 year old boy whos had the fate of the world thrust on his shoulders. but the story itself just plainly refuses to acknowledge this.
the narrative doesn't acknowledge how fucked up having a school that trains literal children how to be combo cop-celebrities is. it only tentatively acknowledges the fact that a universe having combo cop-celebrities is fucked up, and even then the only people who ever point this out are antagonists, who are portrayed and treated in-universe as untrustworthy. the narrative doesn't care how fucked up dekus circumstances are. the narrative treats deku like hes a fucking messiah here to touch the hearts of the evil depressed villains with his magical empathetic heart of gold before they get blown up or just sent to fucking superhell for daring to challenge the status quote.
deku isn't a person. he's barely even a fucking character at this point. he's a plot device, and a mouth piece for the objectively shitty themes bnha is trying to spout. the themes that tell you that if you're mistreated by society and want to do something about it, you're a villain. that disrupting the status quote and refusing to repent to some random teenage boy spouting empty platitudes at you means you deserve to get sent to fucking superhell. the themes that portray people fighting for civil change as mass murdering supervillains. the themes that look the audience dead in the eye and can call deku the greatest hero to ever live.
deku, who barely spared a second thought to lady nagant telling him the truth about the hero commission. who spouts meaningless platitudes about heroism and morality at nagant, and aoyama, and toga and shigaraki, when even the thought that he should question the world around him comes up. who's constantly talked about as this truly kind, empathetic person, but hasn't spared an empathetic thought to literally anyone who is classified as a villain. who listened to every authority figure around him except the ones who asked him to question his worldview. who saw la bravas tears, shigarakis various breakdowns, himikos plead for understanding, chisakis catatonic state, lady nagants truth, and barley batted a fucking eye. deku, who killed tomura shigaraki.
people don't criticize deku for failing shigaraki because they just hate deku. people criticize deku because of what he represents. because hes a mouthpiece for the atrocious morals and themes of this ideologically rotten manga. because any character he had was chopped up to bits in favor of the incomplete husk we have now. people criticize deku because hes the main character of my hero academia. theres nothing more damning then that.
First of all, loveee your bytham fics! Wondering what your opinions on the merge between loki and basim are. Do you think Basim is evil? You write him so soft, but it never toes the line of ooc!
First of all anon thank you for the ask! <3 I'm glad you like my lil fics I'm trying my best :)
Second of all you brought up a particular subject I love to rant/ramble about so buckle up lmao.
More under the cut. WARNING SPOILER ALERT for: AC Odyssey, AC Valhalla, AC Mirage, AC: The Golden City.
All images have alt-text :)
My opinions about the merge are varied and long, so I'll start off by answering your question first.
Do I think Basim is evil? No. Absolutely not.
This is because I really don't think it's ever as simple as someone being 'good' or 'evil'. You could say I'm getting too pedantic about it, but from the very first game in the Assassin's Creed the idea that nothing is ever just black or white has been stressed upon constantly.Ā
For this reason I believe Basim is a fantastic character to focus on in this series. He is the poster child of 'morally grey'.
So yeah, I've seen Basim (or Loki) being called a villain but I don't think that's true. I think he's an antihero.
But before I get to that, let's talk about the merge. I've seen the merge being described as something unfortunate, something that ripped away Basim's own personality and changed him into something he wasn't. I genuinely believe that that is not true.
Basim is who he has always been.
The thing to remember is that Loki has always been a part of him. He manifested himself as Nehal in Basim's early childhood, because young Basim was getting traumatised by nightly terrors. What he thought were visions of Djinn was, in his words, āa crippling memory from a past lifeā. The Djinn was Loki's nightmare, and poor little boy Basim was reliving it every single night.Ā
Enter Nehal.
From little asides in the game, from their own conversations, it is clear Basim and Nehal had a very close bond. She banters with him, teases him, scolds him, fights with him. In the House of Wisdom, Basim tells us he used to sneak in there as a child with his best friend, and they spent many nights reading together (this is one of my favourite things about his childhood <3). Nehal has a distinct personality of her own, with her own interests, her own perspectives, her own opinions that she offers to Basim constantly. None of it is ever forced on him, he rejects her opinions and her advice many times over the course of the game. And while she (often vocally) disagrees, she respects his choices.
Then the events of Mirage happen. Basim discovers the 'truth' about Nehal, that she's not real, that she's just a part of him. Just waiting for him to accept her.
I want to take a step to the side and bring up Eivor's potential-merge moment from AC Valhalla. Because the difference between that moment and Basimās is astounding. Throughout the game, Odin is there as an intermittent voice in the back of her head, posing questions on her moralities and her choices specifically when she kills someone with power, whose death would have major consequences. He isn't there to give her companionship or even friendship, his appearances to her look like a political advisor offering his opinions in statecraft to a leader. (Fwiw, I have not yet taken his advice once in my Valhalla gameplay lmao).
Odin: You have earned your place here, Eivor. Seize it!
Eivor: Stand aside! My people need me!
Odin: I have given you everything you wanted. Everything you needed!
Eivor: You gave me nothing! It was all me!
Odin: Yet I cleared your path. I guided your axe!
Eivor: You were a fly, buzzing in my ear!
Odin: How dare you deny me! Everything you believe in stirs before you! Yet you question all! You question the very gods!
And later:
Eivor: Your corpse hall is nothing but a dream!
Odin: Nothing but a dream? A dream is as real as anything in this world! Do dreams not inspire? Do dreams not make us fearful? Do they not push men to their greatest glories!
Eivor: Then I am done with dreaming!
Odin: Stand and face me, you feeble-armed thrall!Leave me now and you are nothing! With me you have wisdom! Glory! Power! What more do you need!
Eivor: Everything else.
Compare it to Nehal and Basimās:
Basim: It is done.
Nehal: No, Basim. It is only the beginning. For us. For what lies ahead. A deeper understanding of the world we left behind. And our place in it.
Basim: All my life I wrestled with who I was. Who I was meant to be. And there you were. All this time. The side of me I resisted. A reflection of who we once were.
Nehal: Of who we shall be once more. There is so much that awaits us. A new world. Let me show you.
Basim (shakily): I will never see you again, will I?
Nehal: (shakes head)
Basim: Will I beā¦ alone?
Nehal: You are never alone.
So there it is. Odin tries to make Eivor choose him. He tries to bend her will, tries to trap her, to tempt her and goad her into accepting him.Ā
Loki/Nehal does none of those things to Basim. Instead, he/she offers Basim companionship. A complete understanding of his self. Purpose and surety in his life. Something that Basim has been lacking, has been desperate to find his entire life.
Basim is scared, sure. Who wouldn't be? But he asks if he will ever be alone. And Nehal tells him, never. He will never be alone.
Because, and now we come to Loki, he won't be.
Let's talk about Loki. Is he evil? And you know what anon, I have to give you a resounding no for that too.
Loki is, let's face it, a bit of a pathetic asshat. He gripes, he connives, he grumbles and makes annoying faces behind Odin's back. But he's not evil. He just, idk, really loves his gf and his kids man.
From one of my many conversations with @project-zorthania on discord:
Odin (who is also an asshat lbr) condescends to Loki. None of the Aesirs treat Loki with any trust or respect. Now I'm not saying Loki was completely innocent. I'm not sure how much of the original Norse mythology is supposed to be canonical in this series, and by all accounts Loki is a hell of a troublemaker. But at the core of it all is the fact that the Aesir have never trusted him because he's half-Jotunn. He's always been the outsider.
Loki's wife Sigyn is mentioned once (and not by name) in this series, so the central point of his motivations is his mythologically canonical girlfriend, Angrboda. Aka Aletheia.
(Side note I adore Aletheia. Every time I saw her in Odyssey I lit up like a light bulb. She's so badass. Dikastes of Atlantis who was instrumental in getting Juno banished for human experiments, a human-sympathising Isu who was also a hacker. And now she's also a mother of three. Hot damn.)
Loki is already unhappy with the Aesir. The one truly joyful facet of his life is his lover and their children. He loves his kids, wants to keep them safe and spend more time with them. He tries to sneak his son into Asgard to keep him close. Odin discovers the son and imprisons him.
The interesting thing about Asgard (and Elysium/the Underworld/Atlantis in Odyssey) is that we don't truly know what they looked like. All these mythical places are seen through the lens of the protagonists, our player characters. Sure, there's some Isu-ness in the architecture, the dialogues, the 'devices'. But on the whole, Atlantis still has ancient Greek architecture, the people still wear chitons and sandals because that is what Kassandra expects to see. Similarly, Asgard is just a more grand, magical version of what a Norse city would look like.
I am stressing all this because we know that that's not actually the case. The Isu were an advanced civilisation, sure, but they weren't actually gods. The Nornir were confirmed to be compilers of a great calculating software. Yggdrasil was a simulation chamber. Thor's hammer was probably an advanced weapon with, idk, sci-fi electric laser stuff going on.Ā
Loki's son was probably not a giant wolf.
I would like you to picture a young boy being snuck into a new strange place by his father. Imagine him being locked up instead. Imagine a teenage boy breaking his chains and trying to run. Imagine Odin beating that boy bloody and chaining him again, all because a probability machine told him that the boy would be the cause of his (eventual, inevitable) death.
That is what happened to Fenrir. Is it so hard to imagine Loki's rage? How he lost what little respect and faith he had in the Aesir?
Hereās some notes found in Urdrās Well in Asgard, clearly written by Loki to Fenrir. The first is from my own gameplay taken a week ago, the second is from Zorthaniaās stream from last year:
Here's a snippet of conversation between Loki and Angrboda (from one of the Animus Anomalies):
Lastly, here is a picture of a Literal Baby š„ŗ:
I could go on about this for hours, man. Thereās so many more notes and hints and conversations that paint a picture of a flawed (Isu) man just trying to look out for his family.
When Loki merges with Basim, he is driven by two things: vengeance, and the need to bring his family back together. He needs to accomplish these goals no matter who or what stands in his way. But heās more than just Loki now. He is Basim, and Basim has more than just these goals. If thereās a greater cause thatās not in the way of his own personal ones, then heāll gladly and enthusiastically work for it.
And that brings me back to my final point. Basim is not a hero, he is not a villain. He is an antihero. This is from the Wikipedia article for antihero:
Post-merge, Basim continues to do his work as a Hidden One. He does so well, in fact, that despite whatever qualms Rayhan must have had about him (making Hytham spy on him even lol), Basim is made the bureau leader for Constantinople. Sure, his personal agenda is very much active. But at the same time, he fights the Order of the Ancients on behalf of the Hidden Ones. He ensures their strong presence in Constantinople by the end of TGC. He recognises that Kjotve is a major problem because heās a high-ranking member of the Order.Ā
During Valhalla, you see him ensure that Hythamās place in Ravensthorpe is secure, that their shared mission of re-establishing the Hidden Ones in England is successful. You see hints and implications of Basim finding more resources and information that could be important for the Hidden Ones and forwarding them to Hytham. Heās still a Hidden One. Heāll always be one.
From the ending of AC Valhalla:
William Miles: So what next? Where will Basim go?
Basim: As far as I can, William.
William Miles: I feared as much.
Basim: Do not. I cherish the Creed that guides us. I always have.
I do not think Loki and Basim are two different beings at this point. After the merge, Basim is just Basim, just an āEnhancedā version. Basim always refers to himself as himself, even when he could be talking about Loki. He speaks of Fenrir as if he was his own son. And yet he never claims the name Loki for himself. Iāve always thought that was so fascinating. It implies a true and complete merge of the two personalities, and yet, Basim was not the one consumed in that merge. Loki is accepted, but Basim continues to be the dominating identity.
Basim is who he has always been in both Valhalla and Mirage, and no, that doesnāt mean he was always evil. It means he never was just āthe bad guyā and that he was and continues to be a flawed, selfish, kind, helpful, dangerous, charismatic, complex man.
Thank you for the ask and sorry for the HUGE ramble lol! <3 you are so brave if you managed to read the whole thing <3
Itās so unrealistic to me when ppl have miles stay mad at gwen post btsv. Like, yāall expect me to believe that Miles would rlly see the love of his life gather a ragtag group of allies to go against the entirety of spider society and eldritch horror Spot just to save him and his DAD and NOT forgive her ??? Please
Your Honor, you don't understand. I need Gwen Stacy to be completely unhinged in Beyond the Spiderverse.
This girl has been through hell and she's hit rock bottom and gotten back up. Now she's going save the boy she loves. She's someone who lost control of her life and her agency and got it back. I want to see her bloodthirsty. I want to see her fierce in battle and her emotions bleeding after being bottled up for so long. Fight agaist the Gwen Stacy fate and save herself and say: "this is my life."
And yes, that's because I want to see her ( and Miles ofc) beat the shit up of Miguel O'Hara.
They better have Miles in BTSV find that picture of him and Gwen in Gwen's room just like she found his drawings of her. You can't just have her being so madly in love without him knowing. It hurts me that he never found out how much she loves him, they gotta have this in the third movie.
Whoās ready for me to take this cute scene TOO LITERALLY???
This is adorable and shows how much they care for each other, but it also beautifully sets up another complicated layer of Miles and Gwenās relationship in ATSV
As much as Gwen loves Miles and as amazing as she thinks he is, the last time she saw him, he was a newborn deer with limbs too long for his body. And I donāt think Gwen necessarily ever had a low opinion of Miles, but as always happens when two people havenāt seen each other for a while, it takes her a while to realize he no longer is.
A lot of what Gwen and Peter B. do in this movie comes from a place of wanting to protect Miles, because thatās what they had to do in the last movie. But now, he no longer needs it, and their attempts at support cross a layer into infantilizing at points. When they have to defend him from Miguel, they saw he doesnāt know any better and he doesnāt think when he does things. Like, thanks? We even see Miles acknowledge how offended he is by the back-handed compliments.
Even when heās running away later, neither of them think he has a plan. Because heās Miles, and Miles doesnāt know what heās doing.
For about 90% of the time theyāve known Miles, he was the kid who couldnāt venom-strike Peter B. on command even with the multiverse in the balance. And I donāt think either of them realize how capable Miles really is, how much of a Spider-Man he truly is, until he takes down Miguel and starts flying back toward the building.
So yes, this moment is cute and I love them, and I do think Gwen thinks the world of Miles. But when you take her actions across the whole movie in scope, her being impressed that he can keep up with her has a slightly embarrassing undertone.
No, no, you have a point! In the art book it shows that every walk in the city and their conversation on the clock shows how Gwen noticed how Miles evolved. She realized that. Gwen loves this boy more than anything and she never thought less of him, but she can only see how skilled Miles has become after seeing him again.
I have been thinking about something that will probably see in BTSV considering the situation, and that is that the fact that Miles has been chill during the most of ATSV does not mean that he is less traumatized, or has suffered less than the others (A clear example of this is Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man), and less than he's been at peace with himself during his first year as Spider-Man.
Lately I have seen a lot of people talking about the things that Gwen had to go through and what she suffered (Mainly to defend her for the hate she received after ATSV came out), but I think that Miles' case is no better.
In fact, if one analyzes it carefully, he is one of the ones who had the worst, as much as Gwen, in fact.
In ITSV, he basically had to forcefully do in two days what the others probably took weeks to achieve, become Spider-Man, something that, of course, meant that his normal life fell apart, going through a lot of situations by himself, being terrified on the inside for practically the entire first movie, but still having to move if he wanted to keep the promise he had made to the blonde peter of his universe.
Losing his uncle, who he was closer to than his own father at that moment, and whom he loved so much, all after he tried to kill him.
And that happened after the others pressured him and, being honest, humiliated him, getting mad at him for still not being ready, and this gets worse considering that Miles always has his pride.
And after all that, they leave him tied down by the fact that he wasn't ready yet, even if they didn't want to leave, still being pressured.
Now imagine the HURRICANE of sensations that he must have had during all those moments, something that surely would have hurt him psychologically, a lot.
After that, in ATSV, after 1 year, you can see how LONELY Miles is without them since, after all, he became close to them and things ended well at the end of ITSV.
Now imagine how all the sensations that Miles felt during the entire first movie, he literally had to swallow because he had no time to regret or get angry about anything, and how all of that would accumulate inside him later.
Until ATSV where all that BLEW UP and Miles felt completely BETRAYED by all of them and seeing them in a completely different way now.
On the other hand, Gwen, when she joined the Spider-Society, at least she was with the others again and made new friends, added to the fact that in certain aspects she was able to progress, such as the fact that she stopped pretending to be that badass girl from the first film and revealing his true personality.
And don't get me wrong, i'm not saying that they didn't worried about Miles or that in ITSV "Gwen didn't worried about Miles"
What I'm getting at is that Miles is definitely going to blame Gwen and the others in BTSV for all that, surely making them feel HORRIBLE.
Imagine this, if it weren't for the words his father said to Miles in this scene from ITSV, he wouldn't have turned into Spider-Man, and imagine how he would have felt when his friends and the girl he loves basically hinted that he let him die. And all because of something that Miguel is completely wrong, and that hides bad intentions underneath.
Now, in the case of Gwen, there is one thing I can say with almost certainty, and that is that Miles, at first, is going to think that Gwen formed a group to capture him and bring him back to the Spider-Society, and not to rescue him because she loves him.
He has a DIFFERENT idea in HIS head, for Miles, Gwen never felt anything romantic for him, she was always lying to him, and she wanted him to let his father die just to respect the canon.
And I'm sorry to say that but, considering that he himself said that he's not afraid of anything anymore, Miles is surely going to confront Gwen, and let's see a little Miles vs. Gwen fight, and while he wants to fight her, she's going to try to reassure him, do nothing to him, and try to explain everything to him.
Surely Miles G. is also involved and confronts the others, considering that he is a vigilante who will probably help Miles.
I just hope that Gwen has prepared a good plan to reason with Miles and has prepared a GOOD apology, because although I know that they will end well, Gwen is not going to have an easy time getting Miles back.
I know this topic has been talked a lot, and I sadly don't think I can make a proper analysis because there isn't much to say.
But I'm one sappy bastard and this blogs primarily focus was always to me to gush at stuff.
You know? When I saw the movie for the first time, I thought she really came to talk to her dad, and then chicken out at the last second.
Don't ask me what the heck was going with my eyes that day because it literally show straight up. Specially since is establish from the first movie that this picture is important to her.
You know I think is a testament of something that when Miles is talking about how every time he feels alone, he remembers the friends who get him.
And Gwen is doing the exact same thing.
This sentiment translates into the next movie, with Gwen remembering Miles constantly, and deciding to turn the picture into a polaroid.
I really found this interesting because nowadays people rarely have physical pictures (My mom had tons of photo albums back home, so the importance of keeping a token of a moment has always been present in my mind.) I have no idea how easy would be to turn a digital picture into a polaroid, but the fact that she put that effort when nowadays is doing it says a lot to me.
But even that pales in comparison to the moment I am actually talking about.
I think everyone has been asked at least once, "If your house was burning and you only have time to save one thing, what would you save?"
I always had a bit of a hard time answering that question myself; what has more meaning to me? What is the thing I knew if I lost tomorrow, I would regret not keeping it with me?
For Gwen, is obviously this picture, and I think once you reflect about the context of the situation, this just becomes more obvious.
Let's remember in what kind of situation she is, or at least the one she thinks she is trapped in right now.
At this point? She is homeless, OFFICIALLY homeless. To be fair I think she already was the moment her dad pointed a gun at her and needed to run, but even then I hesitated to call it that since she probably had a room or something at the Spider Society.
But at this moment? She has nothing; she doesn't have any friends (She has never referred to her band as such, even if I honestly think they would had been there for her if given the chance,) nowhere to go, and is stuck in a dimension where she has been accused of murder.
She doesn't have a way to travel to another dimensions (as far as she is aware,) meaning she cannot contact Hobie or Pav, or go out looking for Miles.
And what she does in this situation?
Get Miles' picture, and that's it, that's literally the only thing she went to get.
I wouldn't discard that she would get more of her stuff once the apartment was alone, to be honest it would probably make more sense to get some civilian clothes at least so she could have a change with her. Going into the apartment when she knew it was alone, so she wouldn't had a chance to get arrested would be more logical.
But none of this is about logic.
In a moment of desperation, all she cares about is getting that picture back, she is risking so much by doing this but none of that logical danger matters to her as much as it is having that back.
Because at her lowest moment, she looks for Miles for comfort, even if it would probably hurt like hell look at his face knowing what happened the last time they saw each other; she clings to that picture and the memory of him as the only comfort she has left.
Not her father, not Peter, him.
That last line was a good way to end, but while rewatching this scene, I realize that at any moment, we see Gwen putting the picture away, meaning she may be carrying it with her when she goes to other dimensions.
I wonder if Miles would have the chance to see it, and know, how much he matters to Gwen by how much that picture means to her.
I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO NOTICED THAT!!! He looked so distressed y u gotta do my boy like that. But yeah what I really love about Miles in this scene is he helps Pavitr stay level headed and helps him focus on stuff he can control, saving people, clearing the path. Because, imagine being Pav and basically nailing the whole Spiderman shtick for six months and thinking youāre ready for anything the multiverse throws at you (exaggeration)and then BOOM Alchemax is destroyed people are going to die and you feel like you canāt do anything to stop it. We couldnāt know if Alchemax was going to collapse (which it did) or if Gwen and Hobieās webs would be strong enough to hold it but Miles did know that if they at least cleared the path, no one would get hurt. Also this checks out, Pavās been Spiderman for 6 months while Miles has been Spiderman for a year (and four months) which isnāt necessarily a long time but nevertheless, itās more experience on the job than Pavitr has, and in both movies Miles and his abilities are constantly underestimated even though he is an extremely capable Spiderman. (ex: being called ākidā by everyone except Hobie which Iāll touch into in a bit) so itās really nice to see Miles take charge and be trusted as a leader. Also FUN DETAIL: Hobie is shown to trust Miles in this scene too with the āIāll do it, but not because you told me to.ā Because we all know Hobieās always doing his own thingā¢ļø but in that moment he was able to see Pav needed a win and trusted that this guy he met 5 minutes ago could help one of his closest friends not have a mental breakdown over the disaster currently happening in his home and save everyone there. He also (as I mentioned before) is the only one who doesnāt call Miles ākidā and you might be saying āWell he is a kid, heās 15ā and while that is true, we are shown it makes Miles feel belittled or uncapable when heās actually an Amazing Spiderman (laugh at my joke). And yes, I believe Gwen and Peter love him and he loves them too but they never put their trust on him like Hobie did. He placed his trust in Miles and believed he knew what was right and thought him capable of amazing things and was also quick to back him up and I think thatās beautiful. Also this scene (the whole movie too, really) really pura into perspective that yes Spideys are capable of Amazing things in their own but when they come together and work as a team, look out for eachother, thatās when they truly out do themselves.
maybe iām delusional. but when gwen finally had the heart-to-heart with her dad, told him about what being spider-woman means to her, told him the truth even when she thought she shouldnāt, her dad stepped down as captain. being honestāeven when she was terrifiedābroke the canon and saved her dad. so, if miles was in the right universe when he told his mom he was spider-man, maybe he couldāve broken the canon, too. he couldāve shared this piece of his life with them and saved his dadās life. maybe everyone else is wrong. you donāt have to be alone to be spider-man.
ugh miles was SO mistreated it actually makes me sad š even though he really really loved art and it was something he shared and bonded with uncle Aaron over, he still changed his whole career path to physics, just to try and figure out how to go see his friends, only to find out that they couldāve visited him so easily this entire time, but chose not to.
just thinking about how alone he felt in the first movie, and the second one especially. how he literally has no one to hear him out, nobody he feels comfortable putting into his corner other than those who are in an entirely different dimension. then he finds out that thereās a whole spider-society of people who are JUST like him, hundreds who share his struggles and know his painā¦ a place where every spider person has access to but him.
imagine feeling so alone, not being able to confide in anyone about whatās going on, nobody to rant to about the weight of carrying an entire city on your shoulders. you canāt even text them either, and all you have are your memories to go by.
then boom, you get to the place where you should feel nothing BUT accepted, and still, you donāt belong there either. youāre told youāre not even supposed to be whatās become your entire life, that you ruined everything and you donāt really belong anywhere, that your leap of faith meant nothing because it wasnāt even yours to take. because youāre an anomaly, a āmistakeā. and everyone just watches, because they knew this would happen.
Something Iām hoping for in the next Spiderverse movie
I kinda want to see Peni apologizing to Miles for trying to convince him to leave his dad. But more than that, I want to see her have a good healthy cathartic crying break down while she does. Because she went through the Evangelion arc, and I really want to see her apparently numb exterior crack and break as she really feels the hurt of whatever happened to her.
ok, but if in Beyond spider-verse we have a parallel of "look at you" "look at me" but with Miles saying to Gwen after the final battle, looking each other in the eyes with love and total foundeness and all good shit. How Miles has finally forgiven her and is proud of her for righting her wrongs and that they can now finally be together. How Gwen recognizes how she's grown, how she's tried and succeeded and changed. She made it and not only is the boy she loves safe but she made it right. That they are together again. I will - *sobs uncontrollably*
Okay. First of all: This post is gonna be super long and have tons of spoilers so if you donāt want to get spoiled for Across the Spider-Verse then donāt read this post.
I have seen way too many people hate on Gwen because of her actions and her behavior towards Miles in Across the Spider-Verse. Iāll show you why that hate completely misses her arc in the movie and her true intentions/relationship with Miles. This post will also delve into Gwiles/Ghostflower since that is a big part of what shapes her intentions.Ā
Many people say Gwen betrayed Miles and doesnāt really care about him. They say Miles shouldnāt forgive her and that she is a snake for what she did. Iāll show you why the opposite is true by going through the events of the movie in cronological order:
The movie literally starts off with Gwen talking about Miles. She is drumming away, which is, mentioned by herself, a way for her to cope with her feelings. That opening from Gwen is a small glimpse into her head. We see how she feels and what she thinks. The interesting thing is that itās basically Gwen broadly narrating the events of the entire movie. We even see glimpses of future scenes in that intro. The line of narration that is most important here is Gwen sayingĀ āI didnāt want to hurt him. But I did. And he is not the only one.ā This shows us IMMEDIATELY that Gwen did not intend to hurt Miles AT ALL. Quite the contrary. It also shows that she is AWARE she hurt Miles. She knows she fucked up. That is going to be important later on when she needs to make the tough decision regarding Miles/The Spider Society.Ā
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