Vanaria System

Endogenic system, endogenic system haters will be summarily sent to the cornfield.

[vanariasystem]

Going to put my two cents in here, folk with DID can respond to it or not. the  term “traumascum”, even if I understand the roots of the coining of it, not cool, yo. Not cool at all.  Vanaria System is an endogenic system. We, and I as the core, hate being invalidated. We’ve fought the syscourse fight on this hellsite for at least two years now, probably closer to three. We’ve had scuffles with more than a few of the exclusionists here. Reno has probably called more than one of you an asshole at one point or another.  But even we know when too far is too far. Comparing survivors of childhood trauma with transmedicalists is too far. Don’t do it. I won’t be using the term, and I urge all endogenic systems on this site that have some lick of common decency not to do so either.

[vanariasystem]

In response to the ones that said “if you sneak into anti endogenic servers you have no right to complain if an anti endogenic sneaks into your pro-endogenic server: There is a difference. Most pro endogenic server owners do not screenshot the anti endogenic servers and use the screenshots to mock and hurt other people. Some anti endogenics have.  So yeah, we do kinda have more right to complain than you do.

[vanariasystem]

Just a warning

Someone has been posting porn in the Plurality tag, putting on safe mode for a bit would be wise. 

[solarnco-deactivated20190205]

So this is probably going to cause some discourse but I do not care :) Recently I’ve seen the site kinhost.org be advertised within the DID community as a good resource. I wanted to let people know this isn’t the case at all. The screenshots included are just a few of the many many pages which all are either untrue/offensive/dangerous. “Transgendered” is the wrong term. Someone isn’t transgendered, they’re transgender. If you don’t know this you shouldn’t be writing about trans things because you’re obviously not educated in the slightest. “Mentally homosexual and physically heterosexual” is also transphobic. Eg if a trans man was dating a cis man. This is saying that because the trans man is assigned female at birth, that their relationship is only “mentally homosexual” and that both parties can’t possibly be gay. In other words… transphobic.

It’s suggesting dissociation and multiple personalities is normal. (It’s not). And that there are many other ways that systems can form apart from trauma (not true). The site also includes advice on how to deprogram alters which without professional help can be really dangerous.

I needed to speak out because this site is so so so bad. And I don’t want people to feel like it’s a good resource.

[vanariasystem]

While I as the host agree with much of what you have stated, the statement about endogenic systems is offensive to those of us who belong to one and are not faking. It is also offensive to those of us who call ourselves endogenic, do have trauma, and our trauma just occurred outside of the typical cut off ages for a DID dx. 

Transphobia pisses us off [no, one of our members reclaiming a pejorative for himself when he is that word in all technical scientific senses isn’t transphobic] as does homophobia and the vast majority of the system will fight to the death to protect the rights of those in the LGBT community. 

I also agree that “reporgramming” system mates is also highly problematic, and the site sucks [this coming from an endogenic/quoigenic system] simply for the homophobic/transphobic language it uses. 

[thequantumsystem-deactivated202]

Can you like/reblog this post if you’re part of a system and your body is over 20 years old? I’m tired of how we’re seen as cringey because we’re “too old to be multiple” when treating systems as cringey really just reveals that people think systems are fake.

[vanariasystem]

Do I have to repeat this again? A system is multiple people in one body. Full stop. How one came to be isn’t all that important. That you are is. Stop invalidating our existence. Stop saying we are not real because we didn’t happen in a way that you believe is the only way possible. We do not invade your tags. Stop invading ours. 

[gaycrane-deactivated20210730]

“we do not invade your tags”

Well you do invade our spaces so theres that

[vanariasystem]

No, we do not. Syscourse is a shared space. Positivelyplural and actuallymultiple and systematicpride is a shared space. We personally at least stay out of the DID specific tags [actuallydid, actuallyosdd/etc] Those are not shared tags, we stay out of them, thus, we do not invade your spaces. We use our own, and the ones initially designed to be shared.

[vanariasystem]

Our hot take of the day on syscourse. You can believe whatever the Hell what you want. What you can not and should not do to defend your views is engage in shitty behavior: I.E. coming into inclusive servers to make systems you don’t like afraid. Sending them asks haranguing them because you think because of your beliefs believe they’re “fake”. [news flash, they aren’t, but that’’s a different story.]  That is the same kind of behavior abusive adults engage in,  and being an abuse survivor does not give you a pass to not be called out on it if you engage in it. 

By the same token, endogenic systems should not engage in such behavior either [hot tip: Compiling a list of system blogs to block because you’re trying to protect yourself and others from abusive behavior is not stalking.] Are any of us coming into your inboxes? No. Are any of us posting screenshots of your private discord servers? No. In which case you have no right to conflate the compiling of a block list with your own behavior. Stop-it!

In short: The majority of DID systems we’ve met are decent people. The ones who engage in abusive behavior [aka gatekeepers/exclusionists] have issues far beyond their DID that maybe they ought to get looked at.

[neuro-revolution]

Be careful

As an autistic adult, this is something mostly for other autistic adults. But really it’s good advice for people who are allistic and are naive.

Don’t trust people when they do something bad, but only because someone else did something worse.

These people usually believe in doing bad things “for the greater good”. They’ll stalk groups, blogs, and doxx people who disagree with them. They also take screenshots and post them, often out of context.

Don’t trust people who harass people via messages, post death threats, or encourage suicide.

These people are often emotionally out of control, and they tend to be abusive offline as well. Associating with them, agreeing with them, or talking to them can end up with them harassing you, stalking you, or worse. I’ve personally experienced this with a couple of people in the trans community. The best thing you can do is to block them. If things get really out of hand and they come after you in person, keep all of your messages, that way you have evidence.

Don’t trust people who have opinions they can’t back up with evidence.

Often, they are just riding on an emotional argument. They will try to divert the conversation by changing the topic. They will keep repeating the same thing without linking to evidence. They will even claim that the people they argue against are doing things they are not (ie. claims that LGBT people are pedophiles). They are being intellectually dishonest.

Don’t argue with them because you think you can convince them. They are the only ones who can convince themselves they are wrong. If you are going to get into an argument, do it to debunk their points to show to others that they are factually wrong.

Be especially careful when they do more than one of these things.

[vanariasystem]

And on top of that calling some of the adults in the Endogenic community creepy because they defend themselves from the abusive and gaslighting behavior a lot of exclusionists engage in. We personally [and yeah, we know that’s who they’re vague blogging about, we’re not stupid, ya’ll] find p*dophilia and other types of child abuse detestable. But we’re not going to put up with abusive behavior and not going to give it a pass just because the ones participating in said behavior are teenagers, either. 

[shitendossay]

[vanariasystem]

Context needed here: Mod Pickles got into a server that specially says no exclusionists allowed, took screenshots, posted them entirely out of context then laughed when some of the people in the server, several who have dealt with abusive behavior by gatekeepers before, panicked over it. It is abusive behavior, anyone who has a brain in their head would agree. 

[shitendossay]

Go outside

[vanariasystem]

Get blockede. buh bye.

[shitendossay]

[vanariasystem]

Context needed here: Mod Pickles got into a server that specially says no exclusionists allowed, took screenshots, posted them entirely out of context then laughed when some of the people in the server, several who have dealt with abusive behavior by gatekeepers before, panicked over it. It is abusive behavior, anyone who has a brain in their head would agree. 

[shitendossay]

[vanariasystem]

And this, folks, is what gaslighting looks like. But I got nothing more to say on it. They call non traumagenic systems abusive and then they pull this shit. Yeah, sorry, not the abusive ones here.

[shitendossay]

How is this gaslighting we didnt even say anything

[vanariasystem]

Invading inclusive servers to make people paranoid? That is the definition of gaslighting. It’s shitty behavior, it’s abusive as shit, and ya’ll deserve to be called out on it.

[shitendossay]

[vanariasystem]

And this, folks, is what gaslighting looks like. But I got nothing more to say on it. They call non traumagenic systems abusive and then they pull this shit. Yeah, sorry, not the abusive ones here.

[sho-against-discourse]

Speaking up over this-life trauma survivors is rude, yeah. But when we past-life trauma survivors make a tag to not speak up over current-life survivors, they come into our tag and moan about us having one. Shits backwards as fuck. Cry for one thing, cry when it happens…

Make up your DAMN mind.

[vanariasystem]

Sho, m’with ya on this one, yo. It’s ridiculous. It’s almost as if these exclusionists don’t think we’re actually people or some shit, right? That because we’re a figment of our meatcar’s imagination that we don’t have trauma or somethin’, an’ that it doesn’t affect us and the host both. Stupidity at it’s finest. 

-Reno.

[sho-against-discourse]

Meatcar!

I love that.

I’ve seen other people in this system be affected by personal trauma. Someones personal trauma caused the body to have a full-on panic attack.

[vanariasystem]

Host here deals with a severe fear of heights ‘causea shit that happened to me ‘cause I’m in co con most of the time. That shit happens, PTSD effects the entire system, an’ these jerkwads don’t seem to get that most of us endogenic systems, guess what , have trauma, both for the host an’ for some of us members. 

Di only uses th’endogenic label ‘cause neither she or we know how we happened. She don’t feel right callin’ us traumagenic when she don’t know for sure, an’ some of us aren’t psychological, we’re here ‘cause we cut ties with home an’ chose to be. So she uses th’label she thinks fits. Me, I don’ give a fuck about labels, we are what we are. If some fuckwad exclusionist don’t like it, fuck ‘em. 

[sho-against-discourse]

Speaking up over this-life trauma survivors is rude, yeah. But when we past-life trauma survivors make a tag to not speak up over current-life survivors, they come into our tag and moan about us having one. Shits backwards as fuck. Cry for one thing, cry when it happens…

Make up your DAMN mind.

[vanariasystem]

Sho, m’with ya on this one, yo. It’s ridiculous. It’s almost as if these exclusionists don’t think we’re actually people or some shit, right? That because we’re a figment of our meatcar’s imagination that we don’t have trauma or somethin’, an’ that it doesn’t affect us and the host both. Stupidity at it’s finest. 

-Reno.

[the-nordic-system]

Wait, are there different types of systems? I've heard of the term endo (forgot the full term) system and traumagenic systems and was wondering what the difference was and why people don't really like endo?? systems

Okay so we’re biased on this, as we’re a traumagenic system and not a fan of endogenic systems

Basically a traumagenic system is a system formed from trauma, aka literally the only system that gets you diagnosed with DID or OSDD

Endogenic systems are systems that supposedly just have random alters popping up that they “created” or were “born with”

Which isn’t even possible

Traumagenic systems tend to get annoyed with endos because alters aren’t just here to make things entertaining, they’re here to protect us from years of horrible traumas

[vanariasystem]

One thing you seem to forget: Many endogenic systems have trauma. THeir trauma happened too late to be the cause of their system, and many are ones who no longer fit the criterion for DID. For instance, we would have fit the diagnostic criteria prior to one of the criteria being that your system must cause significant clinical distress. We worked through our communication issues, there by we no longer fit the criteria. If we had seen a therapist back during the late 90′s/early 00′s when we first began realizing what the things we were experiencing back in our 20s were, we would have been diagnosed with MPD. That lack of being diagnosable does not make us any less a system. It simply means that our system does not cause us clinical distress, and we use the endogenic label primarily because we simply do not know how we became we. 

[baizli-the-anti]

Hot take: Endogenics shouldn’t use the word system because its for people with DID/OSDD/UDD

[judecourse]

hello fellow hiveswap discourser! can i ask what you mean like this? like, endogenics can’t use the word period fullstop? i don’t think that’s what you means, but i am curious. could you clarify please?

[baizli-the-anti]

I mean that endogenics can not use the word in the same fashion that traumagenics do.

[vanariasystem]

Again, system=multiple people in one body. That is all it means. Endogenic systems have multiple people in one body, DID systems have multiple people in one body. Ya’ll wanna argue about the use of a term like alter [which we do  not use] you’d have a leg to stand on. For system, ya don’t.

[baizli-the-anti]

Hot take: Endogenics shouldn’t use the word system because its for people with DID/OSDD/UDD

[vanariasystem]

System=multiple people in one body. Ergo, for both system types. We will use it because that is what it means.