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[veggieshyperborea67]

your an ableistic piece of shit

and your ass crack smells funny. go wash up!

[veggieshyperborea67]

Regardless of if it is or is not in Genshin Impact, that doesn't change the fact that Hyperborea IS a very problematic term. I recommend doing research and trying to better yourself. - Different anon from the one that brought it up initially

"I rEcCoMeNd DoInG rEsEaRcH" you are the same goddamn person fucker. If it was so "problematic", there would NOT at least be whole two plant species with it in the name either you dumbass (Saxifraga hyperborea and Bidens hyperborea). Stop policing people online over words and start getting your rightwing family accountable in real life, or is virtue signalling the only thing you can do? Bitches like you let n*zis appropriate the ok sign. I'm& not letting them appropriate a greek myth, common word for species name and a nation name from a goddamn chinese game, but you idiots sure would.

[veggieshyperborea67]

It fukin sickens me how pro-endo movement has been hijacked by antis for about 2-3 years now. Pros and even endogenics themselves keep repeating anti talking points and even spreading misinformation for them. You just don't realise due to how subtle they maek it Check your sources and then check those sources for being trutful, otherwise you end up spreading anti-endo harassment on Plural Party and calling your own kin nazis and then larping as a developer and not understanding what developer work even involves, i bet that "app" would not release until 2030

[veggieshyperborea67]

Hyperborea is a Nazi term btw

Is Genshin Impact a Nazi game now idiot? Go eat cow shit asshole

[cambriancrew]

My interpretation of the Florality thing.

"Only CDDs can cause systems."

"Ok well I'm not a system, I'm multiple people in the same brain."

"That's a system. Either you have a CDD or you're faking or delusional. And also CDDs aren't multiple people. They're multiple dissociative states."

"Well I'm not dissociative states, I'm people. You can't have it both ways."

"Nuhuh cuz I said so. I'll only believe you if you have proof."

*gives forty pages of resources*

"Those don't count cuz I said so."

Siiiigh. This kind of thinking is so annoying. If you want to be on the side of science, it would help if you could A) be logical minded and B) understand that people use words differently so getting on the same page with definitions is super useful and C) really understand how science works. You don't need brain scans to prove stuff. We knew CDDs were a thing before brain scans existed. We used the same processes to validate CDDs before brain scans were possible, as are currently used to validate endogenics. Brain scans aren't proof. They show how something affects the brain, not if it exists.

[angry-ram-000]

screenshots i had of a conversation with florality staff.

screenshots are in lightmode as that is what i use but i will include alt text, and even ignoring syscourse i want to point out how rude the staff was the entire time. i encourage you to read over this no matter your stance on syscourse, and make your own opinion on whether you wanna support florality or not.

DO NOT HARASS, INSTEAD BLOCK THEM, AND DO NOT ENGAGE PLEASE, i am posting this for awareness, not as cancel culture, alright? thank you and enjoy

the announcment i saw forwarded in another server, the reason i sent proof in the first place. here for context.

both documents i linked to them: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bLejRXsgJ3NRlHQOeXUe3lPtnBJ8qYj3Ope0-8QTRFY/edit?tab=t.0 and https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FetfQO-EeQZcol0bDxG75kHXyPPBPgg4YwlWJOipwwk/edit?gid=0#gid=0

the attached screenshot:

the link mentioned by ark https://did-research.org/did/history/

note the putting down of looking at your system as multiple people, something those WITH cdds commonly do to heal. also, by this logic, then claiming to be multiple people would count as a totally seperate thing than did (being a fragmented state) but they contridict this later

jamie is refering to the first screenshot they attached, the things i linked; https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/apr/27/majority-of-authors-hear-their-characters-speak-finds-study and https://lithub.com/lessons-learned-from-a-year-listening-to-the-fictional-octopus-in-my-head/ (which.. do somewhat prove endogenic plurality, in a specific context)

they seem to agree that multiple people in one head 1. is not what a CDD is and 2. occurs outside of did YET believe being a system/having alters is something only someone with DID or OSDD can do/have. that is a contridiction, no?

link i used: https://did-research.org/did/basics/dsm-5/ (note this is from the same website source ark linked earlier)

note i said i do experience the one criteria that describes HAVING ALTERS which they previously said can only happen with a system. they ignored that completely and instead chose to call me a singlet.

"stop romanticising a disorder." a disorder i had said multiple times i did not have and did not fit any of the criteria of except for one.

so, apparently, despite perfectly fitting the criteria that says you have alternative states, just because i dont have distress, i dont count as having those alternate states. this makes me question how theyd react to DID/OSDD systems who no longer find it distressing, but yk.

another headmate switched in at the last point, because he was a bit mad about being told he wasnt real (same, haha) so you can skip over it as it was over the conversation but you can also keep it in mind for your opinion on us. (name of another headmate censored for my privacy)

asked on the distress part:

ark then said "i dont see where im contridicting myself" and banned me. read and see what you think, i hope you all come up with your own opinions (even if that is thinking im the ass here, because thats equally as fair) but if youre supporting florality just like. keep it in mind

^ my ban message. the "lack thereof" part is quite rude in my opinion.

[veggieshyperborea67]

My& "favourite" thing about anti-endos is how they always argue that "spiritual plurality is only tulpas and tulpas are cultural appropriation" and then add that "actual tibetans never go online and are always elderly monks". Like, first of all, this is actually stereotyping a whole culture, there are young tibetans that know english and go on western internet as well. Second, this might seem harsh, but just because its cultural appropriation it doesn't mean that it's not a real practice that works? It's like antis try to either argue that it's so rare that it doesn't count, or try to argue that they are all savages and that their culture is not "true plurality" and the antis are just being polite in discouraging doing a "savage act". Like, jeez, why are anti-endos so colonialist?

[veggieshyperborea67]

I& hav a feeling that Florality is either a scam or they vibecoded it. They were saying that a database of 2000 users weights 120 GB and then WERE DOING MATH WRONG when calculating how much text weights when they were trying to make a text and custom field limit for free users. It took ATLAS FROM OCTOCON to tell them that they are idiots and literally looking at a wrong thing. So either Florality are idiots and dont know how to code so they threw their whole database at an ai to do it or they hoped that their tech-illiterate antiendo glazers will not notice anything wrong. Imagine if Florality rugpulls them LOL

[veggieshyperborea67]

(Florality server)

I& swear antis are really saying the most insane shit ever

[veggieshyperborea67]

PSA: DO NOT USE FLORALITY. THEY THINK THAT ENDOGENIC SYSTEMS ARE DELUSIONS, WHICH IS LITERALLY BIGOTED NOT ONLY TO PEOPLE WITH SPIRITUAL AND OTHERWISE NON-TRAUMA PLURALITY, BUT TO PEOPLE WITH ACTUAL PSYCHOSIS. WHAT THE FUCK?

[veggieshyperborea67]

Been on my& mind for a while, but I& have came to realisation that anti-endogenic community is EXTREMELY transphobic, especially so transmisogynistic. They let literal cis men get away with rape allegations and usage of AI, including creation of shoplifting buster AIs, but as soon as a POC transfemme says something and doesn't word it in a soft way? They will call these women racist and right-wing out of all things and even dare to suggest that they are abusers and twist the words of those women beyond recognition. This must stop and anti-endos should be stopped being taken as just "misguided people". No. Anti-endos are just the same as many bigots and just hope to appeal to the cis white people even if this will bite them later.

[agalimera]

for people not in the simply plural discord server, right now the articles on the main domain are infected with malware that will show a fake cloudflare screen and automatically download a zip file onto your computer.

the app is still safe to use.

please exercise caution and do not go to the site at the moment.

[antiendovoxakuma]

Florality uses traced art and uses AI

Florality wrongdoings

Documentation of wrongful behavior from staff team of the Florality project

Please read this carrd. This is very important information.

[nightmares--galore]

So, I am going to basically pile one of my posts with a lot of evidence into one big post for better formatting and understanding.

Accusation: Heni hates neopronouns and is transphobic.

The TLDR Truth: Heni would not allow someone in the Ourcana server, which is for all ages and has minors in it, to use slut and whore pronouns (which also happens to be against Discord TOS and can get your account terminated and a whole server deleted). This system also runs the syscest-culture-is blog and seemingly allows minors to answer NSFT asks under the guise that Mod Aether is a bodily minor and with the knowledge that Mod Unity (former mod) was confirmed to be a bodily minor, which should draw criticism to SOA's partner wanting to use Whore and Slut pronouns in a family server.

The full truth as stated in my other post as well as additional information I was given and found:

So I did way more digging. And firstly, Hydor is a mod of @/syscest-culture-is

And this is easy to find because the user in the Screenshots is "Sounds of Aquarius || SOA"

You can actually see, at the bottom of the message, it's in the syscest safespace discord server.

And Aether has responded to it, who is also a mod on the blog.

But you can tell Hydor is SOA because if you hover over the link in the pinned post, you see this pop up

Which leads to this

Which brings a whole new bit of horror with the situation where its boyfriend(?) was wanting to use Whore and Slut pronouns in a server full of minors.

And it kind of tried to paint that as that wasn't the case, and that it was only "pet" and "toy" (which they claimed were only sexual in when used with whore and slut), but there IS a screenshot of its partner with pronouns in pets display name.

You can't really see it here, but if you zoom in on the screenshot Heni sent....

Sukuna (toy/pet/he/it/slut/whore)

Now, I'm not in the servers mentioned, but I know Ourcana is a family friendly server.

As I stated, having NSFW in your name or public profile is against TOS, as seen here:

I'd also like to point out that Heni DID say that it was against Discord TOS as reasoning for the ban:

I would also like to point out, I was told that the reason Tranzi, Heni's girlfriend stepped in to warn Sukuna, was because Heni was triggered and obviously not in the right headspace when this all went down, but Heni's presence was DEMANDED for the event. And she was just supposed to act like... She wasn't triggered?

And I'll even address SOA's nitpick:

As I pointed out with Discord TOS, this would actually fall under "Sexually suggestive content in any content that may evoke sexual arousal without being overt"

As my initial post had to say in regards to SOA's nitpick here:

""Without being overt, aka being "subtle". Like if you even imply something that could illicit arousal, that is a BANNABLE offense. FROM DISCORD. Not even just from a server. FROM DISCORD, THE APP, ITSELF. As in, Discord Staff will TERMINATE YOUR ACCOUNT for content like this. Just having whore and slut pronouns could have put a server in JEOPARDY. And you're... whining... about being banned... from a server... that had non-consenting parties and minors...

Sorry, but when it comes to ANYTHING sexual, there's a time and a place, and it all hinges on consent, too. You exposed NON-CONSENTING INDIVIDUALS and MINORS to sexual content and put a server in jeopardy. Are you stupid? And now you're spreading this idea that an app dev in charge of a FAMILY FRIENDLY SERVER is transphobic for asking "Whore" and "Slut" to be removed from a display name???

And this isn't even to mention that a LOT, and I& mean a LOT, of systems have SEXUAL TRAUMA AND SEXUAL TRAUMA FROM CHILDHOOD. Even as a system that copes with such things by being sexual my&self, not all systems do!! A lot of systems may still have heavy trauma responses to sexual content.

It is important for you to be mindful in these kinds of spaces. Do not expose non-consenting individuals and minors to covert sexual content."

But I bring this up because of the negligent behavior that Hydor has displayed, not only in getting mad that its boyfriend got banned for being inappropriate with minors, but that it also runs an NSFW blog with a supposed BODILY MINOR MOD. That mod being Mod Aether (and formerly Mod Unity).

The pinned post claims that only adult mods deal with NSFW asks, but... That's not true.

This has been such a problem that anons have had to point it out

And when this was pointed out, Mod Aether responded and Mod Hydor also had input

So this brings up a LOT of concern with the picture that has been painted of Heni thus far, because Hydor and Aether (and subsequently another blog where I found these screenshots) are trying to paint Heni as transphobic for not respecting someone's pronouns.

But when you look at the fact Hydor's boyfriend was trying to use Slut and Whore pronouns in a server that has MINORS in it, and then you point out that Hydor has a blog where it has underage mods dealing with NSFW asks.

I have MAJOR concerns about this. I'm aware teenagers will teenager and look at NSFW content. But being around adults that are willing to be sexual and allow sexual content in front of minors... It never ends well and almost always ends with the minor being groomed and sexually abused.

So keep this in mind when it comes to "Heni is transphobic and against neopronouns >:(" rumors being spread around.

This post actually came to my attention as well, which shows just how negligent Hydor seems to be:

And Mod Unity seems to have left the blog, someone who WAS a bodily minor and answered NSFW posts as well:

Which Hydor has also spoken on knowing that Mod Unity is a minor:

And I also want to point out that I have been saying that Aether is a supposed bodily minor because someone brought it to my attention that Aether may actually be part of SOA's system or a subsystem within that system.

What makes me say this? Well, this post, actually:

(Just to be snarky, no you did not get banned for "having pronouns", you got banned for breaking Discord TOS and exposing minors and non-consenting parties to kink)

As well as these screenshots that my anonymous source gave me:

So Aether, and therefore Hydor, may be obfuscating their systems for some level of euphoria regarding age or even potentially for kink purposes, and I lean towards the latter considering everything I've pointed out here.

I would also like to mention I've been told that SOA and Sukuna ARE back in the Ourcana server, and were actually let back in shortly after the pronoun situation that started all of this, and yet even with being let back into the server, just like they wanted, they went to a "Shit Heni's Done" blog just to make a callout post.

I won't get into Heni's trauma, as that was already posted without her consent, PUBLICLY by SOA, but there's obviously some level of sexual trauma (considering the pronouns that triggered her), and that's extremely common with traumatized systems. This isn't some bizarre revelation about systems. I know very few traumatized systems that didn't go through sexual trauma of one flavor or another, and you can find it ALL over traumagenic system tags. There's a high likelihood that Heni wasn't the only one triggered, but since Ourcana doesn't really allow excessive communication, many people likely did not open up about being triggered by said pronouns, when they potentially were.

But again, it is also just inappropriate to expose minors and non-consenting individuals to kink or anything of a sexual nature.

And again, this comes from a system that DOES have members that use slut and whore pronouns. They just don't use those pronouns in front of people who don't consent or can't consent.

Sounds of Aquarius has been EXTREMELY negligent at best with exposing kinks to minors and non-consenting individuals (and I don't want to see you try to "Sexual exposure is WORSE than sexual pronouns because I WENT THROUGH THAT" because I went through it too, subtle manipulation is how it creeps into worse and worse territory), and downright predatory at worst.

I, personally, think SOA and its partner should be banned with this in mind, but I will leave that up to Heni and her mod team.

[nightmares--galore]

Fun Fact: Did you know that having NSFW in your Discord name is against TOS and can get you banned as a whole from Discord? This isn't even just a "Banned from Server" thing, this is a "even if you use proxy bots, if you use NSFW in your name or display picture, you can get banned from Discord."

ESPECIALLY if you have these things in a public, non-age restricted server. If a mod or owner bans you for literally breaking TOS and your first reaction is to call the mod or owner transphobic because YOU broke TOS and exposed minors to NSFW content (because the server is for 13+), and put the server at large in danger, maybe YOU are the problem.

Discord TOS Here (link), here (link), and here (link)

I really don't care what you use as pronouns, but there is a time and a place for NSFW pronouns. A support server for a system app with minors is not one of those. Especially when many systems have histories with sexual abuse and may be easily triggered by said pronouns.

[nightmares--galore]

Fuck it, I&'ll add on with this individual's nitpick

As I& pointed out with Discord TOS, this would actually fall under "Sexually suggestive content in any content that may evoke sexual arousal without being overt"

Without being overt, aka being "subtle". Like if you even imply something that could illicit arousal, that is a BANNABLE offense. FROM DISCORD. Not even just from a server. FROM DISCORD, THE APP, ITSELF. As in, Discord Staff will TERMINATE YOUR ACCOUNT for content like this. Just having whore and slut pronouns could have put a server in JEOPARDY. And you're... whining... about being banned... from a server... that had non-consenting parties and minors...

Sorry, but when it comes to ANYTHING sexual, there's a time and a place, and it all hinges on consent, too. You exposed NON-CONSENTING INDIVIDUALS and MINORS to sexual content and put a server in jeopardy. Are you stupid? And now you're spreading this idea that an app dev in charge of a FAMILY FRIENDLY SERVER is transphobic for asking "Whore" and "Slut" to be removed from a display name???

And this isn't even to mention that a LOT, and I& mean a LOT, of systems have SEXUAL TRAUMA AND SEXUAL TRAUMA FROM CHILDHOOD. Even as a system that copes with such things by being sexual my&self, not all systems do!! A lot of systems may still have heavy trauma responses to sexual content.

It is important for you to be mindful in these kinds of spaces. Do not expose non-consenting individuals and minors to covert sexual content.

[nightmares--galore]

So I did way more digging. And firstly, Hydor is a mod of @/syscest-culture-is

And this is easy to find because the user in the Screenshots is "Sounds of Aquarius || SOA"

You can actually see, at the bottom of the message, it's in the syscest safespace discord server.

And Aether has responded to it, who is also a mod on the blog.

But you can tell Hydor is SOA because if you hover over the link in the pinned post, you see this pop up

Which leads to this

Which brings a whole new bit of horror with the situation where its boyfriend(?) was wanting to use Whore and Slut pronouns in a server full of minors.

And it kind of tried to paint that as that wasn't the case, and that it was only "pet" and "toy" (which they claimed were only sexual in when used with whore and slut), but there IS a screenshot of its partner with pronouns in pets display name.

You can't really see it here, but if you zoom in on the screenshot Heni sent....

Sukuna (toy/pet/he/it/slut/whore)

Now, I'm not in the servers mentioned, but I know Ourcana is a family friendly server.

But I bring this up because of the negligent behavior that Hydor has displayed, not only in getting mad that its boyfriend got banned for being inappropriate with minors, but that it also runs an NSFW blog with a MINOR MOD. That mod being Mod Aether.

The pinned post claims that only adult mods deal with NSFW asks, but... That's not true.

This has been such a problem that an anon had to point it out

And when this was pointed out, Mod Aether responded and Mod Hydor also had input

So this brings up a LOT of concern with the picture that has been painted of Heni thus far, because Hydor and Aether (and subsequently another blog where I found these screenshots) are trying to paint Heni as transphobic for not respecting someone's pronouns.

But when you look at the fact Hydor's boyfriend was trying to use Slut and Whore pronouns in a server that has MINORS in it, and then you point out that Hydor has a blog where it has underage mods dealing with NSFW asks.

I have MAJOR concerns about this. I'm aware teenagers will teenager and look at NSFW content. But being around adults that are willing to be sexual and allow sexual content in front of minors... It never ends well and almost always ends with the minor being groomed and sexually abused.

So keep this in mind when it comes to "Heni is transphobic and against neopronouns >:(" rumors being spread around.

[nightmares--galore]

Fun Fact: Did you know that having NSFW in your Discord name is against TOS and can get you banned as a whole from Discord? This isn't even just a "Banned from Server" thing, this is a "even if you use proxy bots, if you use NSFW in your name or display picture, you can get banned from Discord."

ESPECIALLY if you have these things in a public, non-age restricted server. If a mod or owner bans you for literally breaking TOS and your first reaction is to call the mod or owner transphobic because YOU broke TOS and exposed minors to NSFW content (because the server is for 13+), and put the server at large in danger, maybe YOU are the problem.

Discord TOS Here (link), here (link), and here (link)

I really don't care what you use as pronouns, but there is a time and a place for NSFW pronouns. A support server for a system app with minors is not one of those. Especially when many systems have histories with sexual abuse and may be easily triggered by said pronouns.

[nightmares--galore]

Fuck it, I&'ll add on with this individual's nitpick

As I& pointed out with Discord TOS, this would actually fall under "Sexually suggestive content in any content that may evoke sexual arousal without being overt"

Without being overt, aka being "subtle". Like if you even imply something that could illicit arousal, that is a BANNABLE offense. FROM DISCORD. Not even just from a server. FROM DISCORD, THE APP, ITSELF. As in, Discord Staff will TERMINATE YOUR ACCOUNT for content like this. Just having whore and slut pronouns could have put a server in JEOPARDY. And you're... whining... about being banned... from a server... that had non-consenting parties and minors...

Sorry, but when it comes to ANYTHING sexual, there's a time and a place, and it all hinges on consent, too. You exposed NON-CONSENTING INDIVIDUALS and MINORS to sexual content and put a server in jeopardy. Are you stupid? And now you're spreading this idea that an app dev in charge of a FAMILY FRIENDLY SERVER is transphobic for asking "Whore" and "Slut" to be removed from a display name???

And this isn't even to mention that a LOT, and I& mean a LOT, of systems have SEXUAL TRAUMA AND SEXUAL TRAUMA FROM CHILDHOOD. Even as a system that copes with such things by being sexual my&self, not all systems do!! A lot of systems may still have heavy trauma responses to sexual content.

It is important for you to be mindful in these kinds of spaces. Do not expose non-consenting individuals and minors to covert sexual content.

[caflecthegoblin]

Host talking here, just wanted to say this because, somehow, people are still pushing the Tulpamancy=Tibetan practice myth, and it needs addressing.

Myth/oversimplification: Tulpamancy is, or is based on a Tibetan Buddhist closed practice, therefore tulpamancy is bad because something something cultural appropriation.

Fact: Tulpamancy, or at least the word tulpa, is very loosely inspired by a single chapter in a 1929 book on mysticism in Tibet written by a French Theosophist named Alexandra David Neel, who visited in the 1920s and wrote about a time she supposedly learned about tulpas and even took a crack at creating one (and spending 6 months destroying it after it supposedly became too powerful and turned malicious, hence the tulpa stereotype of the 'imaginary friend turned evil!').

However, there are no contemporary sources, nor sources written by any actual Tibetans or Buddhists (and it's not just a matter of their practices not being written down, you CAN find many texts on esoteric practices of Tibetan Buddhism if you bother to look) to suggest it was an actual practice in those days. David-Neel is generally well-regarded among Buddhists of today for her early look into Tibetan culture, but in the end she is still an outsider looking in.

Most agree that the term as David Neel used it, was most likely a misunderstanding of the term SprulPa, which refers to the earthly bodies that Buddhas manifest as to teach those who have not achieved Nirvana. There might also be a bit of the word Tulku, which refers to individuals who are recognised as the reincarnation of a past teacher, Bodhisattva or other enlightened being (like the Dalai Lama). And yes, there are some Indian Buddhist sources that talk about 'mind-made bodies', but this is less referred to as an ability one can attain with training and practice, and more a power that Buddhas have.

It also holds some vague similarity to the Yidam, a sort of meditational focal point in the form of a Buddha, Bodhisattva or other Tibetan deity or spirit, that the practitioner visualises in vivid detail and then identifies themselves with, in an attempt to internalise their qualities and attributes (wisdom from Manjushri, good health from the Medicine Buddha, compassion from Green Tara, etc). This is considered a higher esoteric practices amongst Buddhists, though not a closed one: if you've done the necessary preliminary practices and been empowered and taught by a Lama or Guru to do the practice, it doesn't matter if you're Tibetan or not. Many practitioners will choose particular Yidams they focus on for whatever reason, and may refer to them as 'my Yidam', but it's important to note that such deities are agreed upon to already 'exist' with the only creation on the practitioners part being the mental image of them, rather than being created wholecloth by the practitioner.

There are older Western practices similar to tulpamancy, such as the Theosophical concept of the Thoughtform, which is described as simple ethereal objects that emanate from one's aura, generated by thoughts and feelings. Or the Fylgja, a sort of spirit of Germanic folklore that is a projection of one's own soul, often taking an animal form or a form of the opposite gender of their respective human. However in neither case is the entity, be it a thoughtform or a Fylgja, considered to be a separate, sentient being in the way a modern tulpa is.

So as far as I am able to glean, the modern practice of tulpamancy is just that: a modern idea. And as loathe as I am to say it, it seems like it mostly just originated from the /x/ board on 4Chan. Some well-read channer probably heard about David Neel and her supposed tulpa experience and decided the word would work great for this concept as they devised it.

Hope this clears things up for people, and helps us get one step closer to finally doing away with this whole myth about Tulpamancy being some ancient Tibetan mystical practice, and that the term is a bad word because of that.