just eat some beans you whiny babies

about | tags ——————— "Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose." —as per the Vegan Society.

[vegspoblr]

My take on ~small local farms~ is that I know what those are via close relatives, and I know the local, traditional, pre-capitalism way, small scale, "treat animals like kings" meat comes from pigs that are hanged upside down, have their throat slit, and are left to bleed as they cry and yell so horribly that kids are not allowed to go watch that single part of the "process" of making meat.

No animal wants to die, no matter how local and small the farm they were raised at. And animals are not killed more mercifully just because it happens outside a slaughterhouse.

"Local" and "small scale" and "organic" mean nothing to these poor, vulnerable victims. The moment we decide to see animals as resources rather than living beings deserving of compassion, we are already on our way to the unspeakable abuses that are very much a reality, even with all those labels. Abuses that we would never be okay with if those where our pets.

If you have the option to stop buying meat, and you care about animal abuse, you definitely should work your way towards a meat-free diet.

[vegspoblr]

"i am fine with animals dying for my meal" well animals are not fine with it which is the entire issue

[vegspoblr]

"i've made my peace with animals being killed for my sake" easy to say you are fine with others dying when you are not the one being killed ever thought of that

[mali-umkin]

[acti-veg]

You can absolutely love animals while choosing to eat them… So long as you define love as just a vaguely positive feeling towards someone that doesn’t require you to act in their best interests or even care if they live or die.

[something-about-veganism]

If meat is only ethical when it's hunted by indigenous people then only eat meat when it's hunted by indigenous people.

If meat is only ethical when you have to eat it because you're poor or have a disability that makes you need to eat it then don't eat it if you aren't in extreme poverty or have one of those disabilities.

If meat is only ethical when you buy it from your local farmer who kills their cows without them feeling pain and also only kills them when they're old and lets them live their full lives and practices regenerative farming and has a negative carbon footprint then don't buy any meat besides that.

It's weird how I don't see anyone defending eating meat using these scenarios actually doing any of the things I just described.

[vegspoblr]

"vegans need to understand that people who can't go vegan aren't their enemies!"

We understand this. I have never seen vegans insist that someone must be vegan against their own health needs. I sure don't. People who can't eat plant based due to accessibility, health reasons, etc, but who agree with the philosophy of veganism and try to be vegan in other areas of their lives, are allies to animals.

You know who is not an ally to animals? People who could start transitioning toward veganism TODAY but bring up other people's struggles to justify their inaction.

[acti-veg]

Since we’re all falling over each other to spill our strictly no-nuance takes on veganism and indigenous people lately, here is mine:

I think that if every person who brings up indigenous issues exclusively when they're talking to a vegan actually took any meaningful action to advocate for those communities, the material conditions of indigenous people would probabably be quite a lot better.

[crypticmaniac]

Shearing👏 sheep👏 is 👏 better👏 for 👏 the 👏 sheep👏 than not👏 shearing👏 them👏

Wool being an animal product does not make it an inherently cruel practice, shearing these sheep is essential for their well-being as the wool will not stop growing regardless and failing to shear sheep will result in overheating, a lack of mobility and a dirty and matted fleece, all of which harm the sheep much more than shearing them once a year which takes a very short time for each sheep and results in a more comfortable and healthier sheep at the end of the day.

You can choose not to buy or use wool for whatever reason, but I will not let you perpetuate the idea that wool is acquired through cruel practices as you will continue to ignore the bigger problems and fight the wrong fucking people.

[wooblecomics-deactivated2026052]

No vegans think we should just abandon sheep to overheat and die. That's an insane strawman position no one has ever argued.

What vegans think is that we should stop forcibly impregnating them and then killing them once their wool production declines, at a fraction of their natural lifespans. The wool industry murders them and violates their bodily autonomy. And that is the only way to produce wool economically. We shouldn't have bred them to the point of overheating without shearing in the first place. We don't have to continue this cruelty anymore. Let them live out their lives on sanctuaries under the care of people who don't view them as profit-generating wool machines, and stop paying farmers to kill and abuse them.

[vegspoblr]

How would you guys feel about being invited to a hot pot restaurant with a split-pot for vegan & non vegan stock? 🤔

I don't think it's immoral or anything, but I don't know if I'd be comfortable with it or not.

[vegan-butch]

I've done this once! I was a little uncomfortable, but did eat it. I'm not too upset by minor cross contamination though, so I figured it would be about the same.

[vegspoblr]

I see. I am not very upset by cross contamination either, so we'll see. I appreciate your reply! Gives me confidence to at least give it a try lol

[vegspoblr]

How would you guys feel about being invited to a hot pot restaurant with a split-pot for vegan & non vegan stock? 🤔

I don't think it's immoral or anything, but I don't know if I'd be comfortable with it or not.

[jadeblueafterglow]

genuinely wondering, where did the idea that vegans don't care about the welfare and conditions of the people who are picking fruits and vegetables? and why do non vegans make themselves exempt from it, as if they're eating completely different fruits and vegetables we vegans don't have access to?

if anything, i've had the exact opposite experiences non vegans are claiming. every vegan i've come across agrees that no person should be working under harsh and dangerous conditions, or be exploited for their labor, and fully understand where the food we eat comes from and want these systems to be dismantled and changed and work/advocate for it

while the non vegans i've talked to pull the "no ethical consumption under capitalism so who cares about how i choose to do things" excuse and don't even bother engaging with or thinking critically about the subject unless they want to pwn vegans or whatever.

[veganmabelpines]

Since being vegan wont solve all the problems ever in the world, I've decided to give it up. I will also be sneezing directly into people's faces from now on, because using a tissue doesn't guarantee their continued good health.

[primrosing]

idc if i’m an annoying vegan like they are literally murdering animals by the billions when we have the technology to feed ourselves without cruelty

[loumandliker]

i do think it’s kinda hilarious how the self proclaimed leftists on this website have infinitely more tolerance and sympathy for religious people than they do for vegans

[loumandliker]

yes many vegans are annoying but at least they have a moral stance that comes from what they have observed to happen in The Real World and that is based on their personal ethical and political values irt harm and violence

[loumandliker]

on the other hand absolutely baffling amounts of leftists on here act like religion is something that just happens to you and has nothing to do with your politics or how you move socially within the wider contexts. you can test out this dichotomy by asking someone whether they would respect someone’s efforts to keep their kitchen kosher or not have pork or indeed any animal products in their home for religious reasons despite it inconveniencing you versus if they would respect this situation if the person asking to have no animal products in their home was ideologically vegan

[thatveganwhiterose]

As a vegan Jew who grew up in a kosher household (not Orthodox or Chasidic, but my parents have separate dishes and silverware for meat and dairy, you have to put them on certain side of the sink or kitchen, etc)

This is always fucking hilarious to me because it’s so painfully true.

[shamebats]

Being vegan genuinely takes way less effort and emotional energy than continuing to justify to yourself why you can't/don't have to go vegan and getting mad at vegans for *checks notes* having strongly held ethical convictions and living by them. Speaking from experience.

[shamebats]

"Veganism is anti-Indigenous" is a talking point non-Indigenous people use to avoid accountability, and it's literally the noble savage trope. It assumes we all hunt and fish, erasing Indigenous vegans, plant-based traditions, AND the fact that the meat and dairy industry is actively destroying Indigenous lands, waters, and food systems. Using us as a shield while buying your meat from the grocery store is tokenism. We're not your excuse.

Tiktok post by @ hiililylani (she/her).

"But what about-" what about them? Are YOU them? Is that YOUR case? If not, then stop using them as an excuse for why you walk past the black beans, tofu, lentils, and other affordable plant-based protein options in your grocery store to get your overpriced ground beef from a corporation that's destroying the Amazon rainforest to mass produce the cows yall can't stop eating.

[shamebats]

[shamebats]

I'm not entirely sure what started this debate but I'm glad it did, I'm finding so many great tt creators to follow who have 0 patience for bullshit arguments.

[shamebats]

"Veganism is anti-Indigenous" is a talking point non-Indigenous people use to avoid accountability, and it's literally the noble savage trope. It assumes we all hunt and fish, erasing Indigenous vegans, plant-based traditions, AND the fact that the meat and dairy industry is actively destroying Indigenous lands, waters, and food systems. Using us as a shield while buying your meat from the grocery store is tokenism. We're not your excuse.

Tiktok post by @ hiililylani (she/her).

"But what about-" what about them? Are YOU them? Is that YOUR case? If not, then stop using them as an excuse for why you walk past the black beans, tofu, lentils, and other affordable plant-based protein options in your grocery store to get your overpriced ground beef from a corporation that's destroying the Amazon rainforest to mass produce the cows yall can't stop eating.

[vegspoblr]

Billie Eilish is so privileged to imply eating meat should be avoided. Some indigenous people need to eat meat to survive!!!! Not me, the middle-class westerner though. But some people. Which is why I just NEED to buy chicken nuggets, it's for the indigenous people of the Americas actually. Me eating this chicken burrito is an act of revolutionary political praxis against vegan racism or something.