My grandmother, Sonja Callahan (maiden name Holgersen), was born in 1929 in the Bronx. She recalls being referred to, affectionately, as the “princess of Boynton Avenue.” Her parents, Herman and Inga, were both immigrants, from Norway and Sweden respectively. She has two younger siblings, Norman and Ellen. During the Great Depression, her father got a very sought-after job and they moved to a house in Old Westbury, where they lived for the rest of her childhood. She married a man named Louis Callahan and they moved to a house in Glen Cove, New York, where she lives to this day. She has one daughter, Elaine, and two wonderful grandchildren (although I may be biased about that last bit).
Now 83, she is stick thin and has hair that is not quite completely gray, much to her annoyance. She lives alone, except for her beagle, Amber. Her home is not incredibly large but, with three bedrooms, it’s more than she needs, especially since she no longer uses the second floor. When I enter, I find her in the TV room smoking a cigarette, which she puts out as soon as she sees me. We make our way back to the kitchen where I make her a cup of coffee and feed the dog. We bargain briefly about what she should eat and settle on a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.
“I have a big favor to ask you,” I tell her, “Can I interview you for my American Dreams class?”
“Oh, I don’t know” she says with a mischievous laugh, “I might have to come up with some controversial things to say.”
I assure her this is perfectly alright, but then I waffle, “ Just nothing inappropriate. I have to hand this in.”
Me: What was your first job?
Sonja: My first job was when I was sixteen in New York City. I worked for the Golf Association. And I did the typing with the old - oh boy, these things are so good now [she gestures to my laptop]. You had paper, carbon paper, paper, carbon paper, and carbon came off on you and there was no air conditioning. It was a mess. That was my first job, but I was sixteen.
Me: So, did you take the train there?
Sonja: Yes. And the subway was a nickel. Now how much is it? That’s ridiculous.
Me: How was America different when you were younger?
Sonja: How was it different, really? There were a lot of prejudices. Even in the school I went to, they had a house which they had janitors, lived there. I even remember him, Mr. Johnson, he had two boys, but they weren’t allowed to play on the baseball team.
Me: Oh, because he was the janitor?
Sonja: Because he was black. Because East Williston was a purely white community and I went to North Side School. They weren’t allowed to … My mother got up at the PTA meeting, along with Mrs. Beard, and told them how crazy they were. If they wanted to have a lily-white school, well they didn’t say it that way, they should have hired a white person. They wouldn’t let their kids participate in what was happening because the baseball team was called the Royals. But they couldn’t join. It’s just like Jackie Robinson was the first black in the Major League. They didn’t want negros, but why didn’t they hire a white janitor? Because they probably got him for less money. That’s me saying why, I don’t know why, but …
Me: What dreams or goals did you have for your future?
Sonja: I wanted to be a figure skater [she puts her hands in the air as if to demonstrate].
Sonja: My name isn’t Sonja for anything and Sonja Henie is one of the famous skaters. She won the Olympics; she’s Norwegian. She won the Olympics. I even have her book inside. And I practiced for hours. You know, I went ice skating every day that I could? Every day and I walked there and I walked back, after ice skating, and a lot of, you know people don’t believe me, a lot of my fractures, when they do the MRI that they see on my back, is from ice skating and trying to learn the jumping. I could do all those things. I really loved to ice skate.
Me: What kind of obstacles did you face? What kept you from becoming a famous ice skater?
Sonja: Come on, I wouldn’t have had private lessons and the whole thing. And no one was going to send me to college either. Even Ellen had, she went to St. Lawrence. They had ice skating; she was in a ice skating show. But that’s, St. Lawrence is a long way away. She wanted to get as far away from my mother as possible.
Me: How important, or unimportant, do you think education is to success in America?
Sonja: Very, very important. Extremely important. Unfortunately, people don’t get to go because it’s getting too expensive. Even student loans don’t help you now. They’re not half that. If you want to go to an Ivy League, forget it. Most people can’t afford that, mostly cause there isn’t jobs.
Me: Right, because after you graduate, there’s no guarantee you’ll have a job to pay off those loans.
Sonja: No, no, what are you gonna have, a job that pays eight dollars an hour. That isn’t going to work. After all that studying and you still owe for these loans years ago. Yeah, most of the American Dream of college is really gone. Unless you get a full scholarship, and who does? Not that many people. Very few. Ellen did, from a tungsten manufacturer here in town.
But anyway, there’s not enough scholarships. There’s not enough money for people to send they’re kids to college. If you’re just an average worker, it’s beyond you. If you have three children, … Ellen would never have gone unless she got that scholarship.
Me: What kind of future did you want for your daughter (my mom) when she was growing up? What did you picture her having?
Sonja: … I pictured her going to college. Poppop [my grandfather] and I worked very hard to send her to college, no scholarships. We only asked her to take a student loan in the last year. But it was affordable in those days. Lafayette was a good school, and it was seven thousand dollars. That is very affordable. Compared to what it is now, it’s, I think it must be forty thousand.
Well, anyway, we did that.
Me: Where were you working?
Sonja: Oh I worked so many different jobs, I don’t remember. I think I was working at the track because I was making good money. They paid a lot of money. And that was a job I got because they had to put women in. They never hired women before. Well there was a lot of places, it’s hard to believe now, because, when I worked for Altman’s, men made more money then you did for basically the same job. It was stupid. Why should they make five dollars more an hour? And you had no maternity leave. You were told to go the minute you showed.
Sonja: Yeah, well, all those things happened to me, and other people. I remember my friend, who worked there too, she was pregnant too, she got thrown out the same time. I say thrown out, they said “It’s time to leave, you’re showing,” it’s the same as being thrown out. You didn’t get leave and your husband didn’t get to stay home, now the husband’s have … Even if you needed the stuff and you were paying a mortgage and every other thing. It was stupid. But, that was all taken care of eventually.
Me: What would you change about America today?
Sonja: I think I already said it: education, affordability. There are so many people who can’t do… You might do it with one child… but… And nobody can afford the Ivy League schools. Nobody. An average person, you might as well not think about it. Let’s face it, it’s the bottom line that counts. I’m making twenty thousand dollars a year, I can’t afford to pay – well, you think of it, you’ve got to eat and everything. You have to have your stuff when you go to school.