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Anti-anti-Stancy

Hello, guys. So recently I read a lot of "reasons" to not ship Stancy and I decided to debunk them because they're just irritating to read. There are so many stupid arguments that I can't put them all in one post but I'll list a good bunch.

"The teen who gives the best romantic advice to Jonathan/Nancy/Steve is Argyle because he's actually friends with one of them. Eddie doesn't know Steve. Robin doesn't know Nancy. But Argyle knows Jonathan."

Okay this logic falls flat right away because Argyle doesn't know Nancy more than Robin does. And Robin know Steve more than Argyle know Jonathan. Also Nancy decided to confess herself to Robin about her issues with Jonathan, which says a lot because Nancy is probably the most closed characters of the whole show. If Nancy confess to Robin, the girl she didn't know anything a few days ago except that she dates Steve, except she doesn't even date Steve, then this is something serious that Nancy needed to get off her chest. It's hilarious the Jancy shippers constantly need to bring out that Stancy is toxic because they're encouraging by people who don't know them, as if Jancy wasn't encouraged by people who knew them even less. Flo in season 1 told Nancy that only love makes people crazy, while she doesn't even get the context right, Dr. Owens asked them how long they are together even if they weren't together yet, Murray was the one straw but even he didn't know anything about any of them. But sure, it's more romantic to let random adults tell them to get together than people who actually built a friendship with them and fight alongside with them until death.

"Nancy doesn't want six nuggets. She makes fun of it in Season 5."

I can't with this argument! Have Jancy shipped never heard of the word "compromise?" That's funny because Hopper taught this word to Eleven in Season 2. Seriously, couples disagree on many things. But when they're determined to say together, this is what they do: compromises. Steve wouldn't never force Nancy to get pregnant 6 times. She would tell him something like "two children, nothing more, no negociations!" he would answer "Sure thing, Nancy." Not to mention that Steve said Nancy was the most IMPORTANT part. Jancy fans hold on to the "Six sounds like a total nightmare" line, but conveniently, they always forget the "I kept one part, the most important one" line. Seriously, Jancy fans hear only what they want to hear.

"Steve didn't even know Nancy's favorite song when she was Vecna'd"

Okay... do you know her favorite song? Does Jonathan know her favorite song? Do Nancy even had a favorite song? Seriously, we never heard Nancy talking about music, except for this scene of Season 5 where she confessed to Jonathan that she disliked the bands he loves. This is stupid! You're just making-up excuses to bash on Steve as if these excuses aren't valides to Jonathan as well.

"Steve deserves better than Nancy"

I mean, to be fair, I felt the same way after S5, but this season ruined so many things in this show, including Nancy's character herself, that I tried to ignore it. (Seriously, this season is the Cursed Child of Stranger Things). But I guess people said he deserved better because she cheated on him. (Yeah, many people say their fight was a break-up but this is way too ambiguous. Nancy told Murray she loves Steve, then sleeps with Jonathan, then Steve still needs to tell her to go with Jonathan.) I'll admit Nancy wasn't her best in S2. But people seem to forget one thing: Nancy grow up since S2. I mean, remember when people hated Steve on S1? Remember when he slut-shamed her? Why did people still like him after this outrageous thing? Because he grew up and became one of the most well-developed character of the whole show. So, if Steve can be forgiven, why can't Nancy? She trusts him, she acknowledged that he grew up, and she's willingly to risk his life for him. Why can't Steve give another chance to Nancy?

"Jonathan understands Nancy better than Steve"

Yeah, this is true... except when she was alone for a mouth after her best friend died, and she waited for Jonathan but he wasn't there. So she naturally went back with the guy who figured on his own that Nancy didn't cheat on him. (Honestly, that's one of my favorite Steve moment. When he realized what he did was wrong, and Nancy didn't need to prove him anything. He knew it before he saw the Demogorgon.) Also, what about S3 when she was laughing at constantly for being a woman. People said Jonathan realized he screwed up. Yeah, because the world was in danger and Will was involved! If it wasn't for that, these two would still be dealing with their issues because one need a job because he's poor, but the other can't have a job because she's born a woman. And they never dealt with that! How are people whining about Nancy not wanting six childrens be okay with that? And even if you want to bring S5, remember when Jonathan told Steve that Nancy wouldn't want them to show up at the hospital. SHE WAS CRYING IN THE BATHROOM BECAUSE HER PARENTS WERE DYING AND HER SISTER WAS TAKEN TO HELL, AND SHE HAD NO SUPPORT! That's not trusting your girlfriend! That's just negligence! Like, even in the season where Steve suddently isn't in love with Nancy anymore, he understands her better than Jonathan.

Okay, that's all for today. I'll go back someday with more arguments because there's more! See you, guys!

[winchester2]

Anyone else miss the hype?

This is the Force Awakens all over again. Three years of patience leading to disappointment.

Now, to be fair, I tried not to think about S5 because I didn't wait to be disappointed. (I remember seeing Infinity War at theaters and then spending literally every day, thinking of Endgame and because of that, I was a little disappointed of Endgame because of my expectations. It's only after a few years that I realize Endgame is really good and that was a me problem.) But God, did S5 give up trying?

S1 is still my favorite season. I just think it has this magic than none of the seasons couldn't recreate. S2 wasn't as good but far from bad, some things disappointed me but, at the end, I got a good time. S3 was average. Fun but it didn't give me those Stranger Things vibes like the two first did. I really thought Stranger Things lost his magic for good. Imagine how exciting I was when S4 prove me wrong. While not as good as S1, it was the best season I've seen since awhile. I loved the atmosphere, I loved Vecna, I loved "Running Up The Hill" scene... I was into it like I wasn't since S1. S4 gave me hopes that Stranger Things was back in business.

So, for the next three years, I waited. Talking about the show with my friends, my family, my co-workers, playing Stranger Things: Puzzle Tales on my phone (I miss this game!), read a lot of excellent fanfictions written by amazing writters... Anyway, I was as hyped every other ST fans. Just thinking about it gave me chills.

And the rest is history. Honestly, my biggest letdown was how much it retcons S4:

S4: Ends with an apocalypse-level threat - S5: The military fixed it, the apocalypse was avoided off-screen.

S4: Main characters well-developed - S5: Focuses on new kids.

S4: Vecna was bad because of how society works - S5: is corrupted because of the Mind Flayer

S4: the Demogorgons were a serious threat in Russia - S5: can't beat protective mothers

S4: setting up several times Stancy - S5: "it was never like that"

That's what I hated the most about S5. It ruined S4. At least, until someone wrote a better S5. I love S4 so much but now, it's just a great setoff to an absymal payoff.

PS: Four months later, I still miss them so much. I wait THREE YEARS to get heartbroken again.

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Stancy Role reversal fanfic?

Short post today because I missed talking about Stancy and their fanfics. I just wanted to ask you if you would love to read a Stancy fanfic where the role were reverse where Steve is the goody two shoes priss and Nancy is the silly jock who is obsessed with him and flirts constantly. I remember reading a fanfic like this who started three years ago (only one chapter actually) and got abandoned. And I was like, "huh, that's a funny perspective..." and I was wondering if it would be worth it if I wrote something similar.

If no, that's totally okay. I didn't write anything yet, it's just a thought. If yes, don't hesitate giving me your ideas. I'm all ears for ideas who might improve my fanfics.

That's all for now. I'm leaving you with this cute smile of our beautiful Nancy Wheeler just because I can:

[cinematicnomad]

STRANGER THINGS ▸ 1.02 chapter two: the weirdo on maple street

[dreamfinder83]

this is why I can’t get behind the argument that Nancy is “pretending to be someone she’s not” while she’s with Steve. Look at that face. She’s so happy and she’s having fun and just being a 16 year old. Nancy wanted to date Steve. She wanted to sleep with Steve and she shouldn’t have been told she was wrong for wanting that or made to feel like she did something wrong the night Barb died. It makes me so mad that the show never rectified that take and Nancy ends the show never confronting any of it 😢

[winchester2]

You said everything. The arguments anti-Stancy never hold water. That’s why I can't stand that the majority of the ST community are against them. They should be endgame. I still hope someday someone on the Internet will rewrite the entirely of S5 with something more coherent and bring justice to this infairly hated couple.

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Hey folks, short post, I just wanted to say that as a French guy, I watched an interview with every French voices of Stranger Things, and when Nancy Wheeler's french voice was asked if she was Team Jonathan or Team Steve, she answered Team Steve. Maybe later, I'll share the link and translate this part.

That's it, just sharing with you that my French Nancy Wheeler is Pro Stancy, and that brightened my day.

[winchester2]

Hellcheer had better chemistry than Jancy

Now, I'm not talking about the actors. Charlie and Natalia are good actors and are very cute together, but honestly this is the only reason I can find to ship them. On paper Jonathan and Nancy are not that interesting and doesn't sound to have a lot of chemistry. Now, some people may said, "That's the point! They literally broke out in S5!" And that's fair but did we need to follow 4 seasons of them together. Every time I see them together I don't see what they find to each other. And please,don't bring up this scene in S4 where they explain why they love each other because literally telling us why is lazy writing.

Hellcheer is the other way around. They are not even a couple, since Chrissy died before anything can happen between her and Eddie but ironically, even though it's the actors' chemistry that made the Duffer Brothers regret to have killed off Chrissy, they do have chemistry on paper. When Chrissy is introduced, she looks like a normal happy cheerlander with a perfect life and a cute boyfriend. When Eddie is introduced, he looks like a troublemaker, who likes to indimidate people and be seen as a freak.

But when they both meet, they are differents. Chrissy is not really normal, the poor girl sees hallucinations. Then Eddie shows up, bringing her back to reality. At first, he's just business, selling drugs to a client. Suddently Chrissy get more and more anxious and shyly asks him if he sometimes feels like he's losing in his mind. When Eddie sees she's troubled, he freaks her out but not to intimidate her, just to make her laugh and it works. For who-knows-how-long, she does need to fake a smile. Now she actually laughs! Then Eddie talks to her about their past, probably reminding her of happier times where she wasn't "losing her mind." Also, notice how nervous Eddie looks when he talks about his youngest self and invites her to see him playing. He's moving around, fake-punching a tree... he shows vulnerability around her as if he knows she won't judge, despite dating Jason who dislikes Eddie. Then the moment goes by. He's back to business, and she's back to anxiety. No wonder why the Duffer Brothers regret killing Chrissy. There was a set-up here.

And that's why in one scene, Hellcheer has a better chemistry. Jancy is telling. Hellcheer is showing.

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Stancy should be the worst Stranger Things couple and yet, I ship it... and then they got destroyed

I know the Duffer Brothers wanted us to dislike the couple, but the more I read the reasons to hate it, the more I feel like the hate is more ridiculous than subjective (maybe I'll make another post to list every reason I heard and explain why I think this is nonsense.)

The only real reason to hate Steve is because he slut-shamed Nancy. At first, it seems as bad as Jonathan taking half-naked pictures of her. But let's not forget that Steve got punishing for it: Nancy slapped and after that, he still tried to fix his miss. Jonathan, on the other hand, gets away with it. The only bad thing is that Steve broke his camera but then again, he bought him another one at the end, so it doesn't count either. What's ironic is that not only every reason Nancy listed in S4 of why she loves Jonathan works well for Steve. Sometimes even better. The "only love can make you so crazy and so stupid" line is supposed to be about Jonathan beating up Steve but he only did it because he insulted his family, not because he disrespected Nancy. This however...

...feel more like crazy in love.

The only thing confusing is Nancy's feelings. In S1, she looked at Steve with desire. In S2, she said she wasn't in love and couldn't say she loved him. And the show is acting like she doesn't in fact love him but then, why would she stay with him for one year if she felt guilty on choosing him over Barb? Then in S4, she looks at him again with desire but because The Duffer Brothers listed more their young fans than themselves, suddently Nancy feels nothing for Steve and is annoyed by him. "It was never like this." Translation: forget the chemistry they built in S4:

"It was never like that." I hate this line so much. The Duffer Brothers did something brave and brought back something that almost no one asked for. Many Stancy fans became Stancy fans thanks to Season 4. And then after waiting three years, they decided to act like nothing happens and it's such a betrayal and coward move. I also hate how they made fun of Steve's dream. Granted, it wasn't Steve's best move but it was "In case we died, I want you to know..." moment and they turned it into a joke for Nancy, Jonathan, and Steve himself. You know, what it remains me? This scene from Batman Returns:

Bruce Wayne is calling out Alfred for letting Vicki Vale into the Batcave because many fans were mad at Alfred for letting her know that Bruce Wayne is Batman without telling Bruce. The problem is that in the previous movie, Bruce was on his way to tell Vicki anyway, AND after getting shot by the Joker, he disappeared out the window like Batman would. I think Vicki would have putting two and two together. But Tim Burton decided to agree with the fans, even though it shouldn't have been a big deal.

Anyway, back to Stranger Things, the problem with retconning their chemistry in S5, it was completely pointless to set up this "Nancy might be into Steve" plot point. What was the point? So that Steve can learn to move on from Nancy? He already did that in S2! He told her to go with Jonathan! It would make more sense if Nancy who couldn't make her choice herself in S2, actually chose herself in S5. But no, she broke up with Jonathan (and then again, it was so rushed, so the fans didn't even know it was a break-up) but she didn't talk to Steve. 18 months after he told her his feelings, she couldn't tell him that 'it was never like that." Honestly, it made me hate S5 Nancy.

I hated S5 Nancy. She was kind of mean and less likeable. Yeah, I know she was stressed because of Vecna's vision. But even in S4, she was not this bossy with everyone and so close. I also hated how childish was S5 Steve, after the previous season ended with Nancy saying "he growed up a little bit, you know?" Their character arcs were damaged in S5 and their ending was not satisfying.

Steve had the most steorotype job for a jock kid. He wanted to travel around the world but instead, he stayed in Hawkins and went from date after date, meaning he didn't change since S3. Nancy just said "screw up school, I want to see the world" as if she was Arya Stark. Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't women not taken seriously in the 80s? Weren't they seen by men as just pretty to see but too emotional to listen or something? Remember how she struggles with her intership in S3 because of this? They both gave up their own dream, and the show is so casual about it! I'm not buying that Nancy would just gave up school like she could find a job easy-peasy. But I guess, after she killed a bunch of trained soldiers without getting shot and without getting arrested, she suddently can do anything. This is ridiculous! Nancy was so ridiculous in S5! She wasn't a character anymore! She was a modern stereotype strong independant woman. This show was supposed to be against 80s clichés, so instead it bring out modern clichés. The Breakfast Club did the "screw stereotypes" way better.

Remember when female characters could have a partner AND be independant women? Imagine if Steve was a woman. Fans would be way more upset that Steve still tried to find a partner at the end of the show. I mean, following this logic, this is like saying Han Solo is a trash character for starting like a badass character and ending out like a more tender man.

So yeah, call me sexist, but I don't care! S4 did an amazing job, bringing back a couple nobody liked and yet brought a great arc for both characters. This is how they should have ended: Nancy fighting her trauma about Barb (it should have been brought out, Vecna literally used that against her in S4!!!) and getting back with Steve, Steve breaking the stereotype jock character and being a tender version of himself, respecting his girlfriend and supporting her to accomplish her dreams. Here's something someone did on TikTok:

That's all folks! Have a good day!

[winchester2]

Stancy Soundtrack

Does anyone else immediately think of this every time they hear the music "Africa" by TOTO? I'm serious, ALL THE TIME this scene came to my mind when this music is played.

To be fair, there are many songs in this show that can be associated to Stancy (like "Hazy Shade of Winter" or "Twist of Fate" when Steve stares at Nancy in the Season 2 epilogue...) Does Jancy even had their own song? I can't think of anything. Anyway, the fact that Stancy has their own soundtrack in this show is further proves that the Duffer Brothers were on their right tracks when they considered them together in S4 and S5 is literally just a bad fanfiction. Good thing fanfictions are never Canon.

[winchester2]

In an Alternate Universe where Nancy does end up with Steve and accepts to have children with him years later after becoming a reporter, what names would you imagine them to pick (except Barb, because it's too obvious)?

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An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works

Chapter 7 is released.

I apologize for the long wait. I wish I could promise the next chapters will come faster but I’m working on multiple projects so I’m not sure.

[winchester2]

Favorite kiss

It's hard for me to pick up one because I love literally ALL OF THEM. Either the soft ones or the intense ones, these two have the best kisses of the show. But if I really should kept one, it would be the one in Season 2.

The "I miss you"/"It's been an hour" is the cutest Stancy exchange ever, alongside with "You're an idiot, Steve Harrington/You're beautiful, Nancy Wheeler" of course. And also, the way Steve grabs her the way Nancy smiles and leans against him. SHE DID LOVE HIM! THEY HAD CHEMISTRY! THAT'S NOT THEIR LAST KISS BECAUSE THEY END UP TOGETHER, SEASON 5 CANON OR NOT. Oh, screw it! Here's a compilation of their other kiss!

Well, the show is over now, so the Duffer Brothers no longer own these character. We do.

[winchester2]

Season 4

In my opinion, Season 4 was always the only season who matches Season 1 magic. A great mix of comedy, horror and emotions, with actual consequences, great acting (as always), iconic scenes, and the best Finale out of the 5 seasons. But most of all, this is the season that made me a Stancy fan. Before I saw this season, I never really cared about the couples (although some of them grew on me over the years), but these two were the first couple on this show I was ever interested.

Steve is my favorite character since he redeemed himself and fought the Demogorgon at the end of S1 (seriously, what is it with fans who said he didn't redeem himself before S2?). And Nancy was... nice but it's really over the seasons where I really started to appreciate this character (until S5, I didn't hate her but she was kind of one-dimensional in that one). I really love their character development in S4, and I liked the idea of these two loving each other but being too different for being together in S2, but then somehow they matched well in S4.

Nancy seemed happier with Jonathan in S2, but then S3 proved that, while they're a good couple against the Upside Down, they never understand each other when they were not in danger. They had a fight, then get over in a really awkward way. Then Jonathan moved out and slowly, they had a long-distance relationship, and even then Jonathan keeped avoiding her in every way, and admitted he don't see a happy future with her.

Meanwhile, Nancy had to fight the Upside Down again, but this time, Jonathan isn't here. She bring Fred with her and he immediately died. Then she was all alone, interrogated by cops, who clearly doesn't understand her. Then suddently, she no longer is. She sees Steve arrives with his "girlfriend" and these kids who are his best friends. She's relieved, she's not alone anymore.

But she still has walls. She wants to go investigate in her whole way because she still feels misunderstood, despite being surronded by people who fought the Upside Down too. So Steve, like usual, being protective, insisted to go with her but unfortunately, he can't because he's the only who can drive his car. Robin goes with Nancy. And Nancy is not happy about it. She doesn't want to spend time with the girl who constantly hang out with Steve. She wants her away. She asks her in a rude way to go back to Steve, then Robin told her there's nothing between her and Steve, and Nancy feels weird about it. Next day, Nancy goes with Robin to Pennhurst (which I liked because this is the first time Nancy hang out with a girl her age since Barb, so her friendship with Robin could have been the closure to her guilt). The story continued. And after she accepts Robin as her friend, Nancy admitted she's not really happy with Jonathan.

Meanwhile, Steve is left again with the kids but he doesn't want this anymore. Despite how much he cares about these kids, he doesn't want to be the babysitter anymore. He wants to be more invested. So, one night he gets separated with the kids, he investigated the Gate at Lover Lake, then gets caught by one of the creatures. Think about it! Steve saved Nancy twice (one from the Demogorgon in S1, then from Billy in S3). This time he's the one who needs to be saved. And Nancy did it! She risked her life, she got stuck in the Upside Down to save him! A lot of sexual tension happened between them, that night, even though they weren't together and Robin and Eddie were there the whole time.

But then the worst thing happened to Nancy: Vecna cursed her! Not to kill her, but to let see what happened in his life and what will happen in hers. She was broken. She saw an horrific vision of Hawkins where Vecna won and her family was potentially brutally murdered. This is way worst than any future she ever feared. She can't think of anything but act! And THAT is when Steve confessed to her the future he saw: a future full of hope, and innocence. He gave her a vision full of hope. Something so nice that she forgot the traumatic things Vecna showed her.

And finally, Steve confess his love: he told her how she changed his life and how she's the most important part of his dream. Nancy is speechless. How wouldn't she? She always avoided this kind of conversation, and she probably never heard anyone told her something so sweet and honest. After that, they tried to kill Vecna. And Jonathan is finally back, but something changed: she's not sure she's relieved to see him, she even admitted she was glad he wasn't there, and she isn't sure she and Jonathan are okay. One thing for sure: Steve is in her mind now more than ever, and probably already has her whole heart.

After this amazing set-up, Season 5 arrived and now, there are two kinds of Stancy fans: those who loved the open ending of S5 and imagined how they got together Post-Canon, and those who hated it, and rather rewrite a more satisfying S5. Personally, I'm in the latter.

Here's my feelings on S5:

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How popular is Stancy general?

It may sound like a weird question, but I'm really confused of how this ship was received? Everywhere I go, I saw posts anti-stancy on social medias, whetever it's on YouTube, X, or Reddit... People constantly said "Am I the one who doesn't want Nancy to end up with Steve?" as if everyone else was excited for this to happen. Honestly, I rarely saw any praise on the ship, outside of the Stancy tags on Tumblr. I also heard that people in real-life (less active on social medias) were more pro-Stancy, but it's hard for me to know for sure because everyone I know in real-life doesn't care about the love stories in this show. So, yeah... I really need someone to confirm me if this ship was well-received or overhated.

[winchester2]

I heard people claiming that Steve's and Nancy's are not over and that they'll get together eventually, they even imagine them living new adventures together in the 90s, and I really love this idea! So I wonder, do you guys imagine 90s movies that would actually fit Stancy dynamic? Like we got Stranger Things where the characters were living adventures like 80s movies, so can anyone can give me ideas of Stancy living adventures like 90s movies?

[winchester2]

Chapters: 6/? Fandom: Stranger Things (TV 2016) Rating: Not Rated Warnings: Graphic Depictions Of Violence Relationships: Steve Harrington/Nancy Wheeler, Robin Buckley & Steve Harrington, Robin Buckley & Nancy Wheeler, Dustin Henderson & Nancy Wheeler, Steve Harrington & Dustin Henderson Characters: Steve Harrington, Nancy Wheeler, Robin Buckley, Dustin Henderson, Erica Sinclair, Jonathan Byers Additional Tags: Alternate Universe, Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence, Canon-Typical Violence, Past Jonathan Byers/Nancy Wheeler, Nancy Wheeler Loves Steve Harrington, Steve Harrington & Dustin Henderson Friendship, Robin Buckley & Nancy Wheeler Friendship, Steve Harrington Loves Nancy Wheeler, Other Additional Tags to Be Added Summary:

What if Nancy was part of the Scoops Troop?