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Oh my god max would have an Annihilape how could I not have considered that. It’s literally a ghost fighting type duhhhh.
This is so specific and every day my asks become more niche, but do you have anymore Patrick thoughts?
How would he and Jolene interact if they were able to stay in touch? Their dynamic in any of the aus (if they have one)? How does he get alone with the others (Geraldine, Roxanne, Marnie, Robbie the rest of the dnd group)
Also do you have someone in mind to play him? Idk why but Patrick is haunting me. The thoughts don’t have to be in depth but I just enjoy a sibling dynamic.
By all means, I love niche asks!
I think being niche is our niche lol
My deepest condolences as someone who has also been a victim to writing something long and elaborate and then losing it to a crash. Mourning the in depth analyses that are lost to internet scuff. I completely understand not wanting to do all that over again.
Patrick would send Jolene a video like "I was out shopping today, and I saw a billboard of you and it reminded of how much I missed you. I hope you're doing well." And then maybe he calls her a loser at the end because it's mandatory sibling behavior.
Meanwhile, Jolene will send him a video of her trying to see how long she can do a handstand for and it ends with her cracking her head on the floor and Roxanne shouting in the background.
See now I need to write Patrick reading Geraldine for filth. 5+1 fic and it's five times Geraldine is read for filth and 1 time she accepts the truth. Frankly I think nearly every character could do that.
I have stuff planned for Patrick in the Hiatus AU which is partially why I asked about him.
Roxanne and Marnie make the executive decision to not all be in a room together because they are all very obviously gay and can't help it is killing me. It does actually relate very a bit to something I bring up in I'm Not Going With you funnily enough (istg I will post it at some point and stop alluding to it).
Geraldine and Patrick having real beef that dissolves into a fake beef that dissolves into tag teaming Jolene.
Roxanne and Patrick friendship is now very important to me. In modern aus I think Jolene will pass the phone over while on face time so they can chat it up.
Marnie isn't thrilled at a stranger basically living with them but accepts it without complaint, realising she can't mum friend and care for the others like she used to. Someone has to stop Marnie from trying to clean the whole house whilst still in recover.
He also knows ASL canonically and would spend some time trying to help teach/communicate with Marnie. Which has mixed results to say the least. Oh I enjoy this very much.
But I'm sure she watches him from afar, leaving treats for his dogs. ))))))))))))))))))))))): how could you do this to me. Also of course this man has dogs. Now I'm thinking of a weird and specific caveat to the curse being that the Lords didn't bother to make animals forget. I doubt Jolene might've known his dogs before, but even after she dies and comes back they always remember her. That's a treat for me. Also this would apply with Holloway and the cat that she hates but that's a different headcanon.
who he thinks of as a sister-in-law in all but name, and is just as happy to fill out the older sibling role she lost in Beatrix. I'm dying. I'm dead on the floor. I just AGHH. You can't do this to me. I'm distraught. It's so strange actually having fluffy headcanons for them for once. Like yes sad stuff but also like woah... happiness? Healing????? In my mind Patrick is a staple in all Nothing Bad Happens AUs. If Patrick isn't there something bad did happen.
Also I hope you know whenever I see Spencer I just pictures Spencer Agnew I fear. I know they're not the same guy but my brain only has room for one of them.
who is also in heels because Jolene must be tiny. the universe declares that she must be 3 apples tall at all times.
In my head when Patrick isn't an amorphous brain blob I'm usually picturing Curt. It's mostly because in one of the many aus knocking around in my head Grace has a brother who's played by Curt (which technically would be very inconvenient because Curt also plays Mark but I could not get it out of my head), but I like all of the options you're throwing out.
Also nodding my head to Patrick played by Patrick you're sooo right but also something deeply amuses me about Tommy Patrick (they can have matching bleached hair). I will have to mull this over.
I don't know why Patrick out of all the side characters drew me in I just wrote the scene with him and Jolene with the deer and I was like "Wait... woah... neurons activated." I was going to have her alone initially and I don't remember what got me to make the change, but I think it worked out.
Yknow maybe telling myself I could do an attack for all 31 days of artfight was an unrealistic goal lol.
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Rose’s Pokémon team would probably have toxtricity (high key), exploud, and maybe a gothitelle and then a morpeko (because I think she’d like a cute but secretly edgy pokemon)
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Wrote more Starlets angst from my new unnamed AU in a haze so here’s that
Cold air. A warm touch trailing across skin. A soft pressure around her hips. A figure above haloed in light, obscured by shadow, speaking.
“Don’t worry”
“It will only hurt a moment”
“I’ve got you”
“I’ll give my regards”
“Just breathe for me”
“When it’s over”
“I won’t let go”
She can’t move. She’s awestruck. She’s terrified. She feels her heart ache two fold in ways so opposed it rips her in half.
She tries to say something, maybe ask what’s going on, but all she can manage is a shaky moan. She tries again to no avail. Panic sets in. What starts as an attempt at speech devolves into strangled screams.
The touch, once gentle, presses harder into her chest, blunt and heavy, until it sharpens all at once, something in her cracks and the warmth turns searing hot.
“Hold on just a little longer”
“I’m shocked you’ve made it so far”
“Rox?
“Just like that”
“Roxanne?”
“It’ll be over soon”
“ROXANNE!”
Roxanne gasps and sits bolt upright, knocking her head into something hard.
“Ow, fuck—“
Normally, she would apologize, but she’s too busy trying to steady her breathing. She yanks off the sheets and comforter. Everything is too warm and too heavy. She’s back there again on the asphalt and she can’t get up, she can’t call for help, she can’t—a pair of hands rest on both sides of her face. They’re cold against her rising fever and bring her back into the moment.
She’s home. She’s safe. They’re right here. They’re fine. Eyes finally adjusting to the dark, Roxanne can make out Marnie in front of her, concern etched across her brow. Jolene sits up to the other side of her, hand clutching her forehead in pain, but her worry matches Marnie’s.
Roxanne turns to Jolene and asks, “are you okay?”
Jolene lets out a small laugh at the absurdity of the question. “I should be asking you the same thing, Rox. Yes, I’m okay, but you were groaning, no, practically screaming in your sleep. You woke up Marnie, and when she couldn’t shake you awake she had to get me up to help call out for you.”
All Roxanne can manage is an “ah,” unable to articulate herself more. Turning to Marnie, she sees her start and stop in a way that has become familiar. She wants to say something but can’t. Watching her struggle makes something twist painfully inside of her. “Oh, Mar.” Placing her hands over Marnie’s, she offers a sympathetic squeeze.
Marnie only frowns deeper. Roxanne tilts her head in confusion, speaking again. “I’m sorry I woke the both of you up. You should be getting your rest and my silly nightmares messed that up for you.”
Feeling the hands drop from her face and down to her shoulders, Roxanne finds Marnie to be in even more distress. She mouths something that she can’t make out in the dark.
Having recovered from her hit to the head, Jolene speaks up for her, “She’s probably saying something like, ‘your nightmare wasn’t silly, it was fucking terrifying, and we’re worried about you, so stop acting like this isn’t a big deal.’ Except maybe like… more posh than that.”
Marnie nods vigorously, though she wrinkles her nose at the “fucking” and “more posh” comment, and Roxanne lets out the smallest laugh, really no more than a quick exhale, but it dissolves some of the tension in the room just a little.
“You’re right, I’m sorry again, I guess.”
Marnie opens up her mouth to say something again, stops herself and reaches a hand over to a lamp on the bedside table. She waits for permission, and when Roxanne nods she turns on the light. They all flinch a little at the contrast, but it’s worth it to let Marnie retrieve her pen and paper so she can enter the conversation.
She hastily scrawls out a sentence. Do you want to talk about it?
“Like what happened in the nightmare?”
She nods.
Pausing for a moment, Roxanne considers if she does. It’s not like she wants to hide anything from them, but she has this strange sense of guilt, like she doesn’t deserve to lean on them. On top of that, there’s the eerie intimacy of the dream. It was painful and violent, but something there was equally raw but entirely gentle. It felt private. Then again, it wasn’t as though she hadn’t shared anything with the two of them either.
Noticing her hesitation, Marnie writes down another note. It’s okay if you don’t want to right now.
Jolene chimes in with agreement. “We can just sit here with you if that’s what you want.”
“I think I’d like that. It’s all so fresh right now. I don’t want to think about it.”
As Marnie leans over to turn off the light, Jolene settles in next to Roxanne. She wraps her arm around her, and when Marnie slides in on her other side, she does the same. This weight and warmth is different. It’s less sickly than that of her dream.
“Goodnight, I love you both.”
“We love you too, Rox,” Jolene replies, and Marnie gives a concurrent squeeze.
Roxanne falls into a dreamless sleep afterwards. Though she doesn’t wake up feeling as refreshed as she’d like, she does feel safe and loved, and that’s more than enough for her.
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I imagine Geraldine’s interspersed dialogue to be not from her and Roxanne’s first time together, but *one of* their first times together. It was back when everything was a little bit hesitant and new. Geraldine is always soft with Roxanne when it comes to that in my mind (though she can be a little commanding I’m sure) but at the start she offered a lot more…reassurance? There’s always praise, but I think she put more effort in trying to quell Roxanne’s anxieties directly.
First times and the subsequent few times are hardly ever mind blowing from an objective stance, but Roxanne recalls them fondly because of Geraldine. Her bravado was gone and her walls were down, despite her best efforts to keep it cool. Geraldine earnestly wanted everything to be good for her, and it was clearly making her nervous. She always wanted that after too (again, shit at showing it), but her ego was through the roof by then, and even if that could be hot in its own way it wasn’t quite the same (not always bad just different).
Other nights, I think she has flashes of what her and Geraldine were like towards the end. Everything between them felt more like a distraction or tactic than actual intimacy. There was still the physical warmth and closeness, but emotionally it was cold and distant. Actually, Roxanne was still emotional and reaching out, Geraldine was distant.
On those nights, Maxine seems to be the more comforting one. She’s killing her with her bare hands, but at least it was quick. At least it was honest. Geraldine was killing her slowly. She was going to suffer a death by drawn out heartache. Roxanne would have let her do it too. Maxine almost gave her mercy in that way.
I have more on intimacy and how the trauma of the crash/her past with Geraldine affects her, but I have an angsty blurb about it that may become more than a blurb so put a pin in that.
To address other aspects of the au, I’m torn between the idea of them all just thinking they’re friends/roomates, vs both Roxanne and Marnie remembering they were dating Jolene, buf Roxanne just doesn’t remember her also dating someone’s else, Geraldine.
How much the curse wipes out and how much it replaces in this scenario is interesting.
I do think it’d be sweet to watch them fall in love with each other all over again (even if they never really fell out of it)
But also I like the idea of marnnane being like “I don’t remember why I held myself back from you,” and the lines of their relationship blurring seamlessly over the course of their recovery that it just makes sense to them that they should also be together. Also it would give Jolene some entertainment to watch them pine as she has the most to adjust to/recover from.
There would be lots of parallels to hiatus marnnane, but the memory gaps and general trauma would shift the timeline/interactions they had. Geraldine would and wouldn’t haunt their relationship at the same time. She’d haunt it in the sense that Holloway always haunts the narrative, and part of Roxanne will always feel Geraldine’s presence even if she doesn’t remember her, but neither of them can name whatever this wedge between them was. It still matters, but they don’t remember enough to address it in full.
On another note, a lot of how I write is stream of consciousness, and thus the way I distinguish a lot of character dialogue is by doubling back and thinking “oh they *wouldn’t* say it like that, so how would they actually?” Characterization is like an act of correction for me I suppose.
With Marnie in this, I kept running into the same issue that she had, which was whenever I thought she’d say something, she wouldn’t be able to. Marnie has her main strength taken away from her, and as someone writing her, I also had that strength taken away from me. Jolene isn’t bad at comfort, but her style isn’t always what’s needed. Her method is usually distraction/laughter, and Marnie is more likely to try and get to the root of the problem and unravel it from there.
This limitation also led me to write Marnie in a much more physical manner than I usually would. She was doing things I’d usually write Roxanne to be doing so that was an interesting experience. I think things shift back to her usual dynamic/communication style once they all learn to sign though. Maybe she’s a little bit more physical that she would be otherwise after helping both of them recover, Jolene especially as she needed a lot of physical support.
Another thing to note is that one of the scariest parts of sleep paralysis is that you can’t ask for help because yk, you’re paralyzed and can’t talk, so that provides a nice little parallel between Marnie and Roxanne, while the physical limitations of sleep paralysis parallel Jolene and Roxanne.
I have a few more thoughts on how not being able to speak affects Marnie but those will be for different rambles/fics/drawings we shall see.
Turning on the light in the middle of the night is Horrific Upon The Eyes, but I also liked the character moment that it shows for Jolene and Roxanne. They’re here to make space for Marnie to communicate even if it’s at their inconvenience.
Uhhhh but yeah those are my thoughts
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Maxine is such an effective combo of Gerald*ine* and Ro*x*annes names like woah how perfect. I always enjoy your character naming. Also as a combination of the two of them I like the idea of not only Maxine's design and costuming getting bolder, but her visuals shifting to be more like Glams.
This is such a side tangent, but I did a quick sketch of what Maxine would look next to Roxanne and I want to talk a little about some of the choices I made even if I haven't posted any drawings yet. First off I wanted their face shapes to be the exact same, but the difference comes in how I render/shade their features. In universe/on stage this can definitely be shown through doing their makeup slightly differently.
Maxine would put more emphasis on her cheekbones and lifting her features up, sharpening all her edges. She wouldn't do this at the beginning, styling herself similarly to Roxanne, but as time goes on this would develop, and even overlap with how Glam does her makeup. (I also just need to make a whole post breaking down the little differences between Glam and Geraldine but that's another post for another day)
In my mind, Maxine has a slightly looser curl pattern but still goes for volume. She's much more likely to straighten her hair for styling while Roxanne wouldn't. Also their skin would have slightly different undertones, Roxanne leaning more red and Maxine into more olive undertones.
Their silhouettes would be very similar, the only noticeable difference being the hair pattern being a bit different, but because it makes the same overall shape their designs are clear echoes of each other. They look like they could be sisters, and if they did their hair makeup and styling exactly the same, they could easily convince you they're twins. The difference is in how they choose to carry themselves and how they're dressed + in my case as I'm drawing them shape language and color cues differentiate them a bit.
On the note of Roxanne waking up from nightmares where Marnie and Jolene are dead, she's definitely woken up and checked both their pulses in the middle of the night. Realistically she knows they're not dead, and if anyone's pulse needs to be checked it's hers (i haven't landed on a specific condition for Roxanne yet, but the doctors told her her lifespan has taken a hit because of it, and they're shocked her heart was able to start beating again).
I also think Marnie would have instances of doing this because she's always had a level of medical anxiety.
Jolene sleeps like a rock even when she's having bad dreams.
Still sometimes hears those bone crunching noises and Marnie’s distorted voice under someone else’s control, and just jumps straight to the worse. Jolene's last memory of Marnie's voice is her in the car right before the wreck. Roxanne's last memory of Marnie's voice is Helene's twisted cackle. Roxanne tries not to let that taint Marnie's legacy in her mind, but it still makes her sick to think about.
And it’s not like she can all anyone else (Robbie) for help. I also have a specific image of a time where Marnie needs to call Robbie for some emergency and when she picks up the phone she realizes she can't say anything on the other end of the line. Robbie would probably clock this and they'd manage some sort of tapped out "yes or no" form of communication but they realize they need a better solution.
And Marnie just getting more annoyed she can’t talk and be helpful herself, trying to draw her attention to Roxanne. There's a lot of frustration all around in this au, and Marnie feels it acutely, constantly. She has many private moments where she grieves her voice, and it hurts to know it's not something she can use to help them anymore, at least until she has a better form of communication.
“Oh, Mar.” Placing her hands over Marnie’s, she offers a sympathetic squeeze.
Marnie only frowns deeper. Roxanne tilts her head in confusion, speaking again. “I’m sorry I woke the both of you up. You should be getting your rest and my silly nightmares messed that up for you.”
Feeling the hands drop from her face and down to her shoulders, Roxanne finds Marnie to be in even more distress. She mouths something that she can’t make out in the dark.
I couldn't really convey this fully because Marnie couldn't, but part of why she keeps getting more upset is because Roxanne keeps down playing her own issues, whilst making space to have concern for Marnie and hers. Roxanne feels bad for her and her own frustration at not being able to speak/help, whilst Marnie is only upset with herself in this moment because she feels like she can't help Roxanne. She can't really say that though and just has to make more and more worried faces.
Part of ASL is the expression work and the emotiveness, and Marnie's default face is "I'm just a little bit terrified all the time" (that's sort of my fault I only ever draw her freaking out. Sorry marnie I will do a whole spread of you smiling as a gift), but over the course of her healing she learns that expressions are just as much of a communicative tool as her words can be. It's something she knew objectively, but being more expressive in her features is a choice she begins to make that slowly morphs into habit and reflex. Again it's interesting how this shifts her closer into Roxanne territory.
Also Jolene ends up partially on top of Roxanne at some point in the night. Maybe it triggers something, maybe it doesn’t. Maybe it depends on the situation. Roxanne can handle either of them laying across her/spooning, she just can't do being straddled, at least for the first few years. Half the time it's because it reminds her of Geraldine and she's overcome with grief, the other half of the time it's because she remembers Maxine.
In that level of intimacy, while still very commanding and attractive, Glam never really made an appearance. It was Geraldine at her most down to earth. Ugh Roxine makes me sick. Something about Roxanne being the only person she kept from Glam, the only thing that Geraldine could have that Glam couldn't.
Roxanne's relationship to physical touch is altered in a way the other's aren't after the crash. Jolene is fine with either of them touching her scars or injuries. She was unconscious for most of her injuries, and she already had a few before the crash itself and thus they don't trigger her in the same way. (
Jolene does have trauma/baggage due to her injuries but that's a separate topic. Long story short she's the only one who's ability to play their instrument was significantly altered after the crash, and as the person who would exert herself the most physically and do more physical labor in the group, having that taken away from her is difficult. Also something something gender something something the experience of being a disabled butch something something masculine and androgynous womanhood something something I'll make another post if you want to see that.)
Marnie has lots of minor scratches, and the laceration and subsequent scar being highly visible is something that makes her uncomfortable as it draws attention, but as it heals she has less discomfort with them touching it. I also think there are a few instances of them checking to see if she can get any sort of vibration/vocal control out of her throat and feeling for it, and there's just nothing. (Again, I do want to do a bit more research on what their conditions would actually be classified as. Tbf there are some magic shenanagins afoot because Roxanne's heart should *not* be working at all.)
On the surface Roxanne is the same, still clingy as ever and always having a hand on them. The difference is she's just a little more walled off when it comes to certain parts of herself. She can't handle either of them straddling her because it reminds her two much of her sleep paralysis, and she can't handle either of them touching the scar on her chest.
Maxine was careful and precise with her incision, so much so that it reminded her of the way Geraldine used to touch her. At least once Jolene or Marnie traced their hand over it delicately and unintentionally triggered her memory.
In my head Jolene is more likely to absent mindedly or intentionally touch Roxanne without thinking of the implications, but Marnie would be helping a lot at the beginning with caring for the both of them. It takes her the shortest time to heal and thus she's often fixing bandages and helping with any sort of medication. She'd try and apply an ointment or scar cream and Roxanne just cant take it and tells Marnie it's not personal she just has to do it herself. Jolene is bed ridden for a good portion of everything as well, thus not really being the one to make a lot of first contact. (speaking of which if they live in a two story house/apartment that's also a major issue. Also how tf are they paying for everything but that gets into whatever jobs they think they have/had now post curse.)
Roxanne freaking out obviously freaks Marnie out, and it's especially hard because Roxanne is usually there to assuage her anxiety but now she's down for the count and Jolene isn't within easy access, and she cant shout for help anyways. Afterwards Roxanne is sure to make it clear that Marnie didn't do anything wrong.
All of their injuries are just a little bit odd, and it makes it just that much harder to cope/find closure. They don't really know what happened and they're all suffering from memory loss. Roxanne being hit the hardest and also having sudden trauma around intimacy is particularly distressful because it doesn't make sense. A car crash isn't where you get these sorts of triggers from.
(The only thing that's more confusing than that is the fact that Jolene's bite marks have a distinctly human shape to them as identified by the doctors, but there are more teeth than usual and the placement of the upper and lower jaw that would be required to make such markings is wider than a human skull can stretch.)
It's sort of ironic that Holloway makes the deal and gives up what she cherishes most, and the injuries that each of the starlets receive are very hyperspecfic prices to pay anyways. It's like they participated in the deal against their will and paid the price anyways.
I'd argue Roxanne lost what she cherished most, at least part of that, and it's Geraldine, and now she has a hurtle in developing any other relationships as well. Marnie lost her voice and Jolene lost her strength.
I can see them having jobs similar to what they would in their Holloway variants. Roxanne could be an afterschool music tutor or even a school councilor (sort of an homage to Holloway at the end of KT), Marnie would be in research/academia, maybe she's published (essays or poetry most likely). Jolene I can still see being in a band but more as a side gig. She would have to work some weirdly specific job because an office job, a minimum wage 9 to 5 or anything else normal would not suit her fancy. Maybe in this universe she went to trade school.
(I do think it's a bit funny to think that the curse actually gave them certification/education they didn't actually go through. Tbf Marnie did go to college and that is on the timeline but it's unclear if the others did too. I feel like Geraldine would have wanted to start her career immediately and thus skipped over any college plans, but like that's a whole other post too probably)
Jolene should get to play match maker as a treat. She is sooooo fucking bored and she needs something to entertain herself.
Torn between the angst of Roxanne convincing herself she's a third wheel while the other two pine over her and the fun but also angsty dynamic of Marnanne realizing they've been in love for longer than they can remember and kept denying themselves for god knows why.
Marlene trying to figure out how to confess to Roxanne, but they keep second guessing each other and vetoing the other's ideas. Marnie and Jolene have completely different flirting styles, and by that I mean Jolene is always so flirtatious the line between bit and reality is blurred so Roxanne doesn't pick it up, and Marnie will just stare into your soul mournfully and you'll have to figure out if she's yearning or on the edge of tears, and when you ask her about it she'll panic and make up some sort of excuse like you have a leaf in your hair. This is partially why Geraldine got to Roxanne first because she actually just did the damn thing and kissed her instead of being overly nervous or unserious.
Roxanne can usually read them but she's in such a cloud of despair and self-doubt that she doesn't let herself entertain the thought so it takes a while to break through.
In the Rolene and Marlene but not Marnnane situation, it's lots of Jolene orchestrating them doing shit for her to get them to interact again. They're both able to be up and about before Jolene so it means they'll end up doing things together that Jolene can't really be there for unfortunately. If one of them isn't with her though, and they always try to have at least one person with her as company, they'll usually call over someone like Robbie, Erica or Patrick. (Susan is freaking the fuck out in this au and she would go to help Jolene but she has to help Clifford but she immediately sends Patrick out to go check on her and visits whenever she can but that's a different thought. Susan could have her own post. The memory loss is especially scary to her. I'm considering giving one or all of them aphasia like symptoms.)
Back to Marnanne, just by the nature of them needing to care for each other and Marnie's inability to speak they just grow closer physically and emotionally. Geraldine isn't there anymore, and they can't really afford to have any physical barriers with everything going on, save for certain kinds of touch that Roxanne absolutely can't handle.
You talked about a tap system, and it made me think maybe they could learn morse code before they get fully into signing. Not all of the short hand and phrases maybe, but rather than needing to count as many taps, she can spell out short words or phrases. It's actually fairly easy to memorize/learn when you figure out which letters are inversions or mirrors of each other and you can learn them in groups.
Y (-.--) and N (-.) for yes and no, R (.-.) for Roxanne and J (.---) for Jolene. Robbie can be RB but given the others are single letters he could be H (....). Then they could have acronyms for longer but more common things she needs to communicate. SOS is universally recognizable which helps, and I can see Marnie thinking of tapping it out on the phone with Robbie when she calls Im and can't speak. I can see how it could be a bit hard to keep track of at the start but they get used to it. You know they're going to bed and Marnie taps out "I love you to them"
And so on. Just anything she might not always be able to communicate through writing or mime, especially in a panic attack. Oh speaking of panic attacks, there's a new struggle in that Roxanne and Jolene can't really hear her anymore.
Marnie is probably already good at making herself quiet, but now it's less of a choice, and it's a lot harder for Roxanne and Jolene to notice her breaking down from another room. It's difficult to discern how much is Marnie not asking for help and how much is her being unable to at times.
I sort of talked a bit more about Marnie and her issues with speaking throughout this but I definitely think there's more to develop on that. She's already multilingual, and from what I've gathered she probably learned English and French in tandem growing up. The experience of learning a new language is particularly frustrating because she feels held back by her own vocabulary/lack of understanding. ASL has a rich culture and history that she's eager to learn, but stepping into and not immediately being able to say what she wants, how she wants is hard. Marnie does a lot more journaling in this timeline.
Also I keep taking for granted modern resources because there are so many ways one can learn sign language in the era of the modern internet, but I'm not so sure about the 80s. It would be great if they could learn form someone who is deaf/mute but we don't know what kind of access they have to that, and also paying for a tutor isn't an expense they can afford when all three of them are in no condition to return to work.
Speaking of them not returning to work, oh my god all three of them being disabled and not working is 100% a nightmare financially, and the American medical system is not doing them any fucking favors. The fact they're all "single" women doesn't help either (saying they're in a poly sapphic relationship would not fucking help at all). Marnie already had a chronic illness before so she's familiar with this whole shit show, and they're three women who are certainly *not* having their pain taken seriously. They've just started taking in Patrick and Robbie to all of their doctors visits because people will actually listen to them and it's fucking infuriating.
The thing Jolene hates most about all of this is not hearing Marnie’s laugh again. Everything else she doesn’t care about or can live with but her girlfriend’s laugh? Okay, now it’s personal. And Roxanne has had to listen to so many rants and sobbing over the fact, all while uncomfortably thinking back to that night and watching Helene yank out those vocal cords like kids at tug of war to then put in her own throat. To bastardise the laugh Jolene loves so much. Yup.
As for an AU name, I’ve been calling it the Starlet Scarred AU in my head over the last few hours. So possibly that or something on the same theme? I've considered that and also maybe something like "an eye for an eye," sort of in reference to the deal holloway makes + joan's whole eye collecting business. I've also just considered something like the Survival AU simply because they survive the crash. Still thinking on it.
Also the last thing I'll leave you with are two little paragraphs I wrote. The first was me trying to think of how Marie or Roxanne would describe their memory loss. I think it's not eloquent enough for Marnie, but I think she'd lean into the metaphor. As the one with the most memory loss, I think Roxanne would resonate with it most. The second is just Marnnane fluff.
It’s like building a puzzle without the box, and you have no idea what the picture is supposed to be, but you do know everything *has* to fit together. As you keep building, you start to wonder if pieces are missing, or if you just don’t have the strength to figure it out. You can’t prove it because you don’t have the box. You don’t even know how many pieces there are supposed to be. It’s infuriating and you start to wonder if it’s not even worth it to put it all together.
When Roxanne mutters “I love you” between breaths and kisses, Marnie feels an acute pain realizing she cannot say it back. She settles with pulling her closer and gripping her tighter. Feeling Roxanne’s lips curve into a smile at the next kiss assures her that her intentions are known.
Explicite "I love you's" are very important to Marnnane as seen in the Hiatus AU and boy do I think about the implications of that in this one. Lots of conversations about the merit of alternate communication styles happen.
I yapped a lot more than I was expecting lol
Poor Unfortunate Souls
TW: for sexual harassment
He is such an asshole.
So have a free drabble to indulge the “fuck you” sentiment
(TW: sexual harassment, Nathaniel being an asshole)
Okay fic aside, now for the actual Nathaniel dump.
Firstly, all of us to Nathaniel:
Led by Jolene or Angela not in character, it doesn't matter.
Jolene should absolutely get the chance to kick the shit out of him. I believe she could.
Melissa should also get to meet him. The Marnie/Melissa parallels are growing by the day. But I believe Melissa would make sure that he gets the karma he deserves. However, this isn't about her.
Marnie never really tells anyone about it. Her bandmates have seen her coming out of meetings, rehearsals or events shaken at best, distraught at worst, yet she never tells them what happened or passes it off as just painful cramps. Weirdly, a lot of the others are a little more clued in.
Mainly because Nathaniel does only use pet names for Marnie. He will never use her name, only the pet names he assigns. Geraldine is the only one solely called by her name because he respects her. He's less inclined to use Jolene and Roxanne's because he doesn't respect them, but they do get to have their names, typically for scolding and reprimanding. As he does believe both of them are beneath him; he is by far superior and they are inferior even to only be worthy of cleaning his boots.
He does keep more of his dislike of them more disguised, at least publicly. Neither would hesitate to call him out. And he just doesn't have the time or care to deal with either of them, they are that beneath him. Geraldine is a star, Marnie offers him pleasure, the other two are just there to fulfil their jobs so doesn't talk to them unless he absolutely has too. And when he does, it is very much talking down to Jolene and trying to keep Roxanne "in her place".
I digress, the original point I was making is that Nathaniel only ever refers to Marnie by a pet name. Like he will be in a meeting and list the other three by name but Marnie will always only be mentioned by a pat name.
By nature of always naming the other three, even when spoken about separately, it becomes obvious who the unnamed one is. Thus why all these men no longer question who he's talking about and all know it's Marnie.
To be clear, Frederick, Victor, Lee, Douglas, Tammy and Flora all know about it. (In that order of most explicit amount of knowledge to least). The stagehands are too minor and removed to know anything, anyone else is purposefully avoided to prevent them getting involved.
Nathaniel is like this all the time. Naturally a lot bolder and more handsy in private, but if he knows he can get away with some things at other times, he certainly does. He's probably done worst. He won't do it with any of the girls or certain members of staff (such as Robbie) around because they would interrupt or argue and take away from his fun.
His dynamics with the other three were more implied here, as this was mainly about what he's like with Marnie. So here's a bit on my wiring process/thoughts discussed about that.
“Geraldine! What a delight to see you! And… you’ve brought the others.”
Others, disappointedly, means Jolene and Roxanne. He would have included a pet name for Marnie if he wanted to include her in that; not that he is disappointed to see her, just disappointed she isn't wearing what he told her too.
What he doesn't know is that the dress didn't actually survive long enough for Marnie to have put it on. Got into a terrible accident with some hair scissors, if you can believe it.
Jolene's hatred of Nathaniel is so justified and she doesn't even know the half of it.
He has such a smooth, friendly banter with Geraldine. Getting to relate as two ambitious people climbing high with success and kinda being annoyed by everyone else around them.
“Why are you still here? Go, follow Geraldine or whatever it is you do.”
Same with the earlier sentiment, Marnie would have been mentioned with a pet name if he wanted her to leave too. And the belittling was very much designed around/for Roxanne rather than the pair of them which is why he felt it was obvious he wanted Roxanne to go but Marnie to stay put.
I'm sure Marnie's had marks on her arm from how tightly she gets grabbed at least a couple times. Jolene is there wondering if she gave Marnie a hickey, in spite of knowing Mar doesn't like them, when drunk because why else would she have bruises?
Swallowing nervously, “You can’t—”
“I didn’t ask for *your* input.” His eyes narrow until Roxanne shrinks back.
Nathaniel believes Roxanne should only speak when spoken to. I hope that was clear.
Frederick trying to fatherly comfort and assure Roxanne in the background that everything is fine. He wishes Nathaniel had more sense to not risk anything in public, that's his only issue with this. But Nathaniel is very suave and cavalier so even if someone did see, he could easily get himself (and the company as a whole) out of any trouble. Frederick obviously needs the trust of the girls too, so he is very kind with how he handles Roxanne (and the others) and that also helps to quell any suspicion about whatever is going on.
See? Frederick even offers to walk back Marnie personally to ensure she's not going to swoon and faint. What a guy. Knows all about Roxanne's fears and concerns, and how to cater/play into them.
“Si tu n’es pas en train de gémir ou de sucer, garde tes jolies lèvres closes. Comprenez-vous, mademoiselle?” (“If you aren’t moaning or sucking, keep your pretty lips shut. Do you understand, miss?”). Nathaniel does like to use Marnie's French against her. But he knows several languages and will harass her in all of them.
Effectively walking her back into place, the way the hound herds the doe. I was just thinking of the hunting dogs chasing Faline in Bambi.
Though it equally works for Ronno trying to force her to mate. Nathaniel just didn't feel like a fellow deer.
“You’re far better like this. Quiet. Obedient.”
It's a parallel to Geraldine who also likes her that way; you could argue the same for Helene if we really push it.
But during their first few meetings once Marnie got over the general shyness around new people, she was more talkative. Never chatty or gossipy but she's intellectual and articulate, and probably happened to correct all the men many times. Not out of maliciousness, just trying to be helpful. Which really plays into the Poor Unfortunate Souls lyrics in the animatic but pretty much that entire last third of the song.
But without my voice, how can I- You'll have your looks, your pretty face! And don't underestimate the importance of body language, ha! The men up there don't like a lot of blabber They think a girl who gossips is a bore Yet on land it's much preferred for ladies not to say a word And after all, dear, what is idle prattle for? Come on, they're not all that impressed with conversation True gentlemen avoid it when they can But they dote and swoon and fawn On a lady who's withdrawn It's she who holds her tongue who gets a man Come on, you poor unfortunate soul Go ahead Make your choice I'm a very busy woman and I haven't got all day It won't cost much Just your voice You poor unfortunate soul It's sad but true If you want to cross the bridge, my sweet You've got the pay the toll Take a gulp and take a breath And go ahead and sign the scroll Flotsam, Jetsam, now I've got her, boys The boss is on a roll This poor unfortunate soul
(Me casually listening to male covers to really hit the vibe).
I am just amazed with your mind, at some point I need a list of songs from you that make you think of these guys. Your picks are all genius.
There's probably a lot of other (villain) songs that would work really well for Nathaniel and Marnie. You'll Be Back and The Madness of King Scar comes to mind, though it's doubtful she would slap him at the end of the latter.
We'll leave any slapping to Jolene.
Lukanette is such a situationship.
Poor Unfortunate Souls
TW: for sexual harassment
He is such an asshole.
So have a free drabble to indulge the “fuck you” sentiment
(TW: sexual harassment, Nathaniel being an asshole)
All you mother fuckers creating the most haunting fucked up weird route fanart keep doing what you’re doing oh my god what the hell thank you for your service but also oh my god