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Official Tumblr Blog For TattleCrime.org just covering all of my bases. Exposing the Hannibal fandom for what they are and Jennifer Cornet for what she did. Move Along.

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Speaking Of Pretentious Pseudo-Intellectuals:

Let’s talk about internet psychologist @ravenstag-wytch​ who thinks she knows everything because she took a psych-101 course once and likes to use every cliche trope in the book to “internet diagnose” people with “problems” which if she knew anything about psychology at all she’d know she couldn’t do. So, here’s the little DM she sent me because well...she practically BEGGED me for attention while claiming I’M an attention whore, weird right? Here we go. 

I find this message interesting for a few reasons. 

Look at how she starts this whole thing like she’s about to write a fucking thesis, that’s how we already know we are dealing with someone who’s about to say a bunch crap that they have absolutely know education in. 

1. There are posts on your blog in which you rant and rave about people not listening to you or reading your posts correctly, yet it’s very clear that you didn’t read mine. I never said that you said no other fandom was like this; I was simply pointing out the fact that all fandoms have the crazies (because it’s true).

Yes this is pretty much what the fandom uses to dismiss my argument they never read the rest of what I say which funnily enough despite all her accusations against me she still didn’t manage to see. Even in the original DM I sent her. Where I clarified that, I know there are crazies in every fandom that was never the point I was trying to make. What I was saying is the majority of the Hannibal fandom is crazy and that’s the difference. In larger fandoms, the crazy people are the minority not the majority so they can be more easily ignored. That’s not the case with the Hannibal fandom, and as such, the majority represents the minority who are mostly good people. Weird that she couldn’t finish reading all of that before jumping down my throat right? Moving on. 

I’ve been participating in fandoms for about 15 years, so I know from experience. If anything, your response showed just how quick you are to jump on the defense, to the point where you don’t bother to finish listening to the other party. 

Not true I read all of what you said and what they have to say but it’s very clear from this response you did not finish reading what I told you so you are literally projecting your own problems onto me and acting superior about it. Also if people are “experts” based on how long they’ve “been in fandoms” I’ve been doing it longer so I’m more of an “expert”. Just to clarify this is sarcasm, how long anyone has or hasn’t been in “Fandoms” doesn’t matter. 

These are bad debate skills, and since you seem to have made an entire hobby out of being argumentative on the internet, you should perhaps brush up on debate etiquette; you simply look like a fool. Perhaps you know this, which is why you chose to PM me instead of reblog and make your defense public. 

Bad debate skills? How? I read all of what you said, you didn’t read all of what I said before writing me an essay about everything wrong with me. I’m pretty sure you’re the one with bad debate skills. Also what debate were we even having? This wasn’t a debate. I thought she misunderstood my argument and my point about the majority of the fandom representing the group which makes the normal people in the group look bad. This isn’t a debate, why is she classifying it as such? To make her feel better? To make her feel like she won? Yeah probably. Also I didn’t reply in public because I thought it was more polite to discuss it privately not because I’m a coward or my only hobby is arguments on the internet? That’s a weird conclusion to jump to. 

 2. ...speaking of. I see another, quite long post on the “issue” of the Hannibal fandom being “obsessive”. I find this to be really interesting as well, considering that it’s very obvious that you are inherently obsessed with the Hannibal fandom (and in quite a negative way). You have put in more effort into your posts than some of us have on actually contributing to the fandom. 

I type 90 words per minute anything you’ve seen me write took me 5 minutes at most and 99% of it is copy and pasted from things I wrote years ago and are being cross posted on this blog to get traffic to my website. So...really it’s not taking as much time as you think it’s taking. 

I also see you make YouTube videos doing the same - again, a clear display of obsessive behaviour. That’s quite hypocritical of you, no matter how you look at it. 

Have you watched any of these videos? No? Because the vast majority of these videos talk about people in the fandom running scams, preying on young girls, and stalking celebrities. The vast majority of the videos I have done are not about the show, not about the “general fandom” they are about criminals in the fandom and the crimes they are committing. Now I’m really sorry if it’s “obsessive” to want criminals to be held accountable for crimes they are committing but if it is, then I I guess I’m just a bad person. I’m assuming that you haven’t watched any videos or looked at one or two titles if that’s what you think my channel is about. Also, that channel has existed for I think 5 years? So those videos have gone up over a LONG PERIOD OF TIME not a week. That’s pretty normal non obsessive behavior. Might want to figure out the difference. 

And as an aside... I had the wonderful opportunity of attending a Hannibal convention for the very first time this year, and I was overwhelmingly surprised at how incredibly lovely the people in this fandom are. Many times, I mentioned that I’d never been part of such a frictionless, bright fandom full of caring and just overall wonderful people. 

Just because you’ve never had the experience I have that means I must be lying and it’s not true nor could it have possibly happened. Very mature outlook there. You are “sorry” I had this experience because your very small, only ever attended one convention with cult members was “normal” and “fun”. Except I’m willing to go out on a limb and say that if you found these people NORMAL and inviting you are exactly the type of crazy person I’m talking about and have been all along so lol why am I even trying? 

So many people have said the same. I’m actually very sorry that you haven’t had the same experience. Regarding your claims about sanity/mental illness... First, I see no facts; only opinions. Please present your proof if you are going to argue a point (this goes back to debate skills - innocent until proven guilty and all that), and also be sure to include numbers since you are saying such things as “the MAJORITY”, etc. My experiences with this fandom have been exactly the opposite as yours.

Okay so now she’s repeated herself, and once again she’s trying to make the claim that because she’s never SEEN this happen it couldn’t have possibly happened and is demanding proof which I have all over my website and youtube channel which she’d know if she’d ever watched the videos but she hasn’t. She assumed the content of the videos, then assumed I was lying or something without bothering to do the research because her experience (and this is where the narcissism comes in) differs, she can’t even step outside of herself to see maybe she’s wrong. 

 And I hate to say this, but the only negative I’ve ever experienced in this fandom has been this one... I’ve never encountered someone who is simply so hateful about tearing people down who are just trying to enjoy something (fandoms are an extracurricular activity). If you dislike the fandom so much, just leave it alone. ‘

If you dislike what I’m saying so much how about you leave me alone? Furthermore if you were paying attention and I know you weren’t because you expect people to read what you have to say but don’t bother to listen to them, is that my major complaint with the fandom is how they let scam artists get away with scamming and sexual predators get away with finding victims that’s like 90% of the complaint which you’d know if you were actually paying attention to anything you saw me upload or write. 

On the other hand, you have Mads Mikkelsen who attended RDC several times (you know, despite the fandom being “dead”) who continually says he would love to continue Hannibal (in fact, he and I spoke about this in person - don’t worry, I didn’t stalk him. It was at a PAID meet and greet at the con). Even during interviews for other movies and works he’s doing, if Hannibal is ever brought up he talks about how he loves the Fannibals and the show, and he would make time for it in a heartbeat if the opportunity comes up. This is a drastically different picture than, say, the Sherlock fandom (and I’m not trying to pick on them, it’s just what came to mind based on actual public evidence). So yeah.

Oh because celebs don’t publicly talk about it that means they aren’t bothered by it? Really? That’s your claim here because Mads Mikkelsen has never mentioned it he must have never been affected by it? Are you freaking serious right now? Costas Mandylor who still attends conventions to meet Saw fans has had problems with many stalkers and has never spoken up about it publicly. The only reason people know is because they know who these stalkers were in the fandom, by name, because they made themselves obvious. Think you have no idea what you are talking about if you think that the only proof of people being bothered by stalkers is if they mention it publicly. God DAMN you have a narrow minded view of the world don’t you? 

I guess I just don’t understand your perspective based on the evidence supplied. I also don’t understand your very hypocritical nature, nor why you seem to be such an angry, hateful person. I feel sorry for you, living with all that negative energy. 😞

No actually you don’t understand my perspective based on the 2 seconds of “research” you actually did. The evidence is there, the proof is there, I have put it up and hilariously enough you’ve been to my youtube channel you’ve watched nothing, you’ve decided your opinion based on I don’t know, vague skimming you complain that I don’t listen to you or read what you have to say when I have done that, and then you pull the bullshit “pretending to care” when you don’t really care. It’s condescending and sickening. You are literally every problem I have with this fandom. The projection, the immaturity, the unwilling to listen to anyone who doesn’t parrot back what you hear from your echo chamber. You are 100% the type of Fannibal I have been describing this entire time and you fail to realize it because you are just as insane as the people you are attempting to defend. 

So, sweetie, did I give you enough attention? Though I doubt you’ll read literally any of this since you put SO MUCH EFFORT Into trying to understand me before. (That was sarcasm it’s clear you are too dumb to understand that) and for the record I’ve politely approached several people like I have you on here to get a better understanding but you are legit THE ONLY PERSON who reacted this way. Maybe you need to consider that, sweetie. Hope this is enough for you because I don’t intend to give you more. 

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Why Do You Keep Doing This?

A lot of people wonder why I keep doing this. I know a good portion of it is just fascination. Hannibal is one of the lesser known TV shows it’s a cult show. I’m aware that there are a lot of shows like this but honestly, this has got to be one of the worst fandoms (if not the worst) I’ve ever come across. The behavior of the majority of these people is unparalleled to any other fandom I’ve personally been in or witnessed. Now, one of the biggest arguments people throw at me all the time is “There are crazy idiots in every fandom” which I’m not even denying but in these fandoms the vast majority of the fans aren’t crazy. The Fannibals are a different story.

See, Hannibal is a cult show. I’ve already discussed how it caters to people with mental illness as well as attracts them. It glamorizing significant behavioral issues that are violent and criminal so it makes these women who are watching the show feel like they are safe. Like they are okay. Like they are special because they are also incredibly mentally unstable. It normalizes and romanticizes abuse. It gives severely abnormal people something to cling to and a community of other severely mentally ill women to be friends with so they can all reside in an echo chamber where all of them are normal and it’s the world that is wrong. It created a community of these people who have the inability to be able to see how incredibly obnoxious (and sometimes terrifying) their behavior actually is. Even more, it’s all perpetuated and encouraged by the creator of the show which also isn’t the norm at all.

If you take another fandom, and my favorite “Go-To” Fandom for this example is Supernatural, you will see the creator doesn’t advocate that behavior. At all. The stars of the show also have historically refused to put up with the crazy girls. Are there really crazy Supernatural fans? Yes. Are they the vast majority of the fandom? Not in the least. That’s what separates the Fannibals from another fandom with crazy fan girls. We are talking majority versus minority. Even in other fandoms for other cult TV shows (or movies) you still won’t find that the majority of the people are insane like the fannibals and even if you could you wouldn’t find the creator getting on Twitter and going to conventions to encourage the crazy behavior. We have a combination of an egotistical, power hungry show creator who ships  his own fictional characters as much as his insane fans. This is practically unheard of and when anyone complains and I ask them to name me just one other creator who has ever behaved this way, well they are very hard pressed to do it.

Then, of course, the question that comes up next is “who is this harming?” well at lot of people. It’s actually, in real life, harming a lot of people. This fandom (and groups like this in general) typically do. If it’s not some kind of scam that’s being run to trick people out of their money then it also gives room for sexual predators to move in and prey on easy targets. Young girls who are so blinded by their love of the show that they don’t realize that hanging out with a 45 year old women who wants to read them erotic gay fan fiction is a very weird thing to do. It also has the potential to harm many more people, and of course, the actual cast of the show. Things can get out of control super easily with a situation like this, especially when it’s being encouraged by the creator of the show and to some extent the actors themselves. The actors who I’m pretty sure aren’t super aware of how bad it gets behind the scenes. Even if one can plainly see the “deer in the headlights” look that Hugh Dancy obviously gets when he’s accosted by these people, he probably doesn’t know all the details.

I would highly doubt that Hugh or Mads actually know the extent of how deep this runs for these girls who are tracking them down. That we have women who 100% believe that these men are gay for each other and Bryan Fuller is some type of catalyst that brought them together for a secret love affair. That this isn’t fan fiction to them that this is reality. That these Fannibals are not afraid at all to send death threats, dox people, or attempt to destroy the lives of any person who doesn’t agree with them. That this is a religion for some these people. That some of them are so invested they are writing letters every day to TV networks to try to get them to pick up the show, that they build literal shrines to these actors and characters in their houses to pay tribute to, that they cosplay constantly and have no actual life outside of this fictional world. No, I don’t think Hugh and Mads understand or even know to what lengths these fans are going to in order to keep this up. Not at all. Some idea? Maybe, but not the exact idea. Which is okay given the fact that I really wouldn’t want them to find out. It would be pretty horrifying.

If people want to admit it, or not, this behavior is definitely harmful to people and could turn downright psychotic at any moment it’s hard to tell. If you take the statistics on stalking, for example, that’s such and unknown variable of danger. There’s actually no way of telling when or if it’ll escalate. Some stalkers always remain at the same level, some perpetually escalate until they commit a crime, some just suddenly lose interest and go away for ever never actually harming anyone. There’s no way to predict this, no way to know who’s dangerous, and no way to tell when or if it will climb to the level of actual murder. This is all backed by data. If this is the case, then who’s to tell me that any one of these people doing the stalking (and there’s a bunch) won’t, one day, decide they can’t live without Hugh Dancy and stab him? If you think this is any sort of overreaction you can look up the dozens of cases where this has happened, including to actual actors. No one ever see it coming because it is just that unpredictable but it’s far from unheard of.

The problem is, that because this fandom is so small and there’s only a couple hundred women doing it, it flies under the radar. No one seems to care. Plus, they are women. They get a free pass. Everyone just assumes they are harmless little wallflowers being “normal fan girls” and I need to just leave them alone because they aren’t going to do anything. Psychological and statistical data says otherwise. As much as I can agree there is no telling if or when they may escalate I can certainly show a pattern of escalation from several of these women. How they were when they first started and how they are now. You don’t actually know how dangerous they are, neither do I, and no one is keeping an eye on them because everyone assumes that it’s stupid to do so. That they are just fans of a show and that’s it. I can tell you if this was a group of men going after two women constantly to hound them for pictures or bug them about a cancelled TV show they did years and years ago, people would take notice and everyone would be a lot more concerned, but it’s no the case with them because they are women. Massive double standards.

People commonly forget that for the entire first season I was a part of the fandom. I was one of them. People commonly forget that I’ve seen this behavior, first hand, on several occasions. People think, for some reason, that all I’m doing here is guessing based on speculation when that’s not what I’m doing. I can tell you from very first hand experience, not only running my blog but in real life, a huge portion of these people are terrifying, some are psychotic, and some are sexual predators. To turn a blind eye to it under the assumption that they aren’t harming anyone (or going to) or they haven’t ever harmed anyone is ludicrous. Why? Why do that? If you see a problem why turn away from it? Why not keep an eye on it? Bystander apathy is deadly and I, for one, refuse to be a part of it.

Maybe nothing will come of this, maybe one day they will all suddenly grow up and realize that this is fucking stupid and Hannibal isn’t coming back, Bryan Fuller is a liar, and Mads Mikkelsen and Hugh Dancy are just people who need to be left alone. That day is not today and until that day comes I’m going to keep watching them, because someone should be watching them. They are terrifying.

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Theory vs Diagnosis Of The Crazy Fannibals

One of the biggest problems I’ve come across with the Fannibals is that they don’t seem to understand the difference between diagnosis and theory. They also seem to think that me theorizing what might be wrong with a person is also a diagnosis and even doing this is “wrong” because something about stigmatizing mental illness or whatever. Except it’s really none of this, especially when the very mentally ill behavior can be seen publicly and the Fannibals are putting it out there themselves.

First and foremost, I’m not the first (nor will I be the last) to point out how crazy this fandom is, especially with how they behave and stalk down Hugh Dancy and Mads Mikkelsen. Something I’ve already talked about in this post. However, then we move on to the Fannibals who yell at me for pointing out that this very public behavior is not right and denotes that some of these people (or a lot of them) clearly have significant  mental issues. Profound ones. As I already discussed in a previous article there is a good explanation as to why this fandom has so much mental illness in it. It’s not even surprising. Of course, instead of trying to listen to what I have to say the Fannibals keep doubling down on their irrational behavior to try to prove me wrong while proving me right at the same time.

For instance, last night on my instagram I had a girl come and yell at me for attacking Fannibals and “stigmatizing mental illness” for “everyone”. Though what’s really funny is, right after she did that, she called me a loser and said no one cares. Pointed out that I didn’t have a lot of followers anyway. Which I’m aware of, and I’m not doing this for the followers. However, the reason I found this to be pretty funny is that her initial complaint was that I was stigmatizing mental illness and destroying the whole world but if my audience isn’t that big to begin with, which she’s aware of and I am, what’s the big deal since no one is paying attention to me? Let’s forget that part for the moment and pretend that I had a much larger audience. Who are my theories harming again?

As I pointed out to her, and she had very little comeback for, this is very public behavior on very popular fan accounts for the show. For instance, Rotem Rusak (who I’ve talked about a lot) has a ton of followers and publicity in that area. She puts this information and behavior out there herself. She posts pictures of herself posing with knives, videos of her stalking celebrities and harassing them, and she is constantly attention whoring to get Bryan Fuller’s attention. Not only is this behavior I have no control over and she’s doing all by herself because she’s clearly not supervised and has no life, it’s all in public. I am far from the only person who has publicly called her out for this. I’m far from the only person who can see that she’s not right in the head for behaving this way. I’m far from the only person who is able to recognize that she’s stalking people and that’s not okay. I’m not the only one who’s ever made a post about it. You think people don’t openly talk about how crazy she is already basically everywhere? She puts the behavior in public and she opens herself up to public ridicule. That’s kind of how social media works.

Theorizing what might be wrong with her (which all I’ve ever actually said is she’s a stalker and by the legal definition of the word she most definitely is a stalker) isn’t trying to diagnose her. Nor is it stigmatizing mental illness far beyond anything she’s already done herself, in public, because she’s utterly unaware of how bad it makes her look. In the fandom, shelling out thousands of dollars per year to follow these people around the world is applauded. No one finds it creepy and the more you stalk these people and hound them with a flower crown on the more popular you get. The more attention Bryan Fuller gives you, the more like royalty you are treated, even if you are openly an asshole to literally everyone else. This behavior doesn’t go unnoticed and it does indicate deeper psychological problems. Theorizing on what those problems may or may not be isn’t illegal, unethical, or even stupid. If these people are putting their behavior out in public for everyone to see and they are aware of it because they are proud of it then why exactly is it worse for me to point out how insane that behavior is? I’m pretty sure it’s more detrimental to the real life victims of this behavior, not the mental health community in general for me having these theories.

If you saw a person who was naked, in the streets, and ranting about how they were Jesus because this was happening in public, would you not try to guess something was wrong with them? Even if you didn’t have a background in psychology, this is what most people do. That doesn’t  mean you don’t feel sorry for them or even have compassion for them because they are mentally ill, but recognizing that they are and theorizing on what may be causing them to behave in such a manner isn’t harming them or people who are mentally ill in general. Despite the fact that I think these people are insanely mentally ill and have a copious amount of problems I do feel bad for them. I wish that they’d seek treatment so maybe they didn’t need to rely entirely on a fictional murderous cannibal to get what they are looking for in life. I wish this just as much as I wish the hypothetical naked guy would get the type of treatment he needed to live a better and more fulfilling life.

At the end of the day, commenting or theorizing on very public behavior that is over the top obnoxious, odd, and clearly stems from some type of mental illness, isn’t a crime. It’s not further stigmatizing people with mental illnesses and clearly these Fannibals doing this stuff are lucid enough to know they are doing it in public. The vast majority of them do it for followers, which is a mental problem in of itself. If it’s in public and it’s accessible by everyone then it’s also open to commentary by everyone who can see it. If these Fannibals don’t like my commentary on it then they need to take it up with the people who are behaving this way in public, not me. End of story.

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Canon doesn’t work that way [AKA: Why Hannigram Isn’t Canon]

This is an actual comment I received on an Instagram post I made explaining why Hannigram isn’t canon. Let’s take a look at it:

This isn’t how canon works. At all. Canon is like well, a bible of information. Something literally written in stone. In fact, that’s the origin of the word. From biblical times. Though I can agree to some extent, some, the bible is open to interpretation there are still a bunch of things the bible does or doesn’t say and still hard and fast rules the vast majority of Christians will all agree with, no matter how they interpret the bible otherwise. For instance, the ten commandments. No matter if you go to a Catholic church, a Baptist Church, an Evangelical church, everyone has pretty much all agreed that the 10 commandments are solid rules to live by. Even when you do find that the bible has a slightly different interpretation than others, you will not find something so wildly outlandish that it doesn’t make any sense. This is what canon is and why it exists. It’s rules that are written down, set in stone, and definitely words that define a story, ideology, whatever you want to call it.

Once canon is written it cannot be changed. This has been the rule since, well, the beginning of Goddamn time. I know I’ve already brought this up but apparently it needs to be repeated because the Hannibal fandom still doesn’t understand what canon is and what fan fiction is. It really doesn’t help that the creator of the show, Bryan Fuller, doesn’t seem to understand this either. We are talking about a guy who literally got fired from a show for demanding he be able to write fan fiction instead of follow the book adaptation, and not only is this ridiculous but he demanded the actual author allow this when the author was the producer on the show. If the creator of Hannibal is this freaking self entitled, all he does is pass it onto his fans who believe him but will defend him.

Case in point: Hannigram. It is not canon. Not by any stretch of the word. It’s not even open to interpretation given the actual facts of the show and the events that took place. You cannot possibly interpret Hannibal’s behavior towards Will as love or romance. It is factually abuse. End of story. If Bryan Fuller wanted this to be canon because he writes the canon he had all the power in the world to make it canon. He failed to do that and all the “Hannigram is canon” tweets in the universe will not change the content of the show or the scripts that he already wrote. That’s not how that works. Let’s look at the plot, just the plot, not speculation or emotion. Just straight up facts of the show as it pertains to Will Graham and Hannibal’s relationship. I’ll go in order as sort of a timeline to make it abundantly clear how bad Hannibal was to Will.

Hannibal messes up Will’s investigation into the Hobbs murders by calling Garret Jacob Hobbs to warn him that the FBI is coming for him. This triggers Hobbs into murdering his wife and attempting to murder Abigail.

Hannibal uses this situation against Will almost immediately because he notices how guilty Will feels about what happened to Abigail so he just makes it worse. On purpose. Using Abigail as a pawn to manipulate Will.

Hannibal recognizes that Will has Encephalitis. Instead of doing literally anything to help him as a friend or doctor, Hannibal lets the disease get worse and worse to use it to his advantage to manipulate Will even further.

Hannibal starts to plant evidence for his eventual crime of framing Will for murder.

Hannibal starts to sew seeds of doubt in the minds of the FBI and Will’s friends so when it finally gets to the end, no one will believe Will when he says he isn’t the copy cat and hasn’t murdered anyone. Hannibal continues to use Will’s undiagnosed condition against him.

This entire time Hannibal has been feeding Will (and several other people) human flesh without their knowledge.

Hannibal is successful with his set up and though Will eventually gets treatment for Encephalitis he ends up being framed for murder and going to prison.

This is just season one, okay? I didn’t even include episode 11 where Hannibal blatantly gaslights Will by telling him no one is there when Will brings Abel Gideon to his house. What exactly, in all of this, denotes anything more than sadistic emotional torture on Hannibal’s part? Where is the love, respect, and care this awesome, romantic, “murder husbands” relationship is about? Even if Hannibal “completely changed” and totally stopped being evil at this point, is this still not bad enough that Will should ever forgive him? Could? Especially after one of the murders Hannibal made Will think he committed was Abigail’s which basically destroyed him? Really? This is your romance? Okay, let’s move on to season two events…at least to the best of my knowledge.

Hannibal pretty much knows the whole time Will is in jail he didn’t do it but does very little of anything to help him, until he hires Matthew Brown to help.

Hannibal moves in on Alana and uses her for sex and an alibi to cover up other crimes that he intends to commit.

Hannibal also somehow has Abigail alive, not that it makes any sense, but the events of season three show he was brainwashing Abigail the entire time so this pertains to Will mostly because of how Will cared for Abigail. It’s straight up disrespectful towards him and his wishes.

Hannibal nearly kills Jack on a rampage during their fight in the kitchen, stabs Will with a linoleum knife, and then to top it all off he slits Abigail’s throat while Will watches as some sort of punishment or revenge.

Okay, so I’m willing to bet if this happened to someone or their friend in real life, at this point people would recognize the reality of the situation, namely being that this isn’t love. This is high level abuse and manipulation. Now, just to be clear, the specific shippers I am talking about are the shippers that insist this is romantic, Hannibal loved, cared for, and respected Will, and literally nothing is wrong with their relationship. I am not against toxic shipping or people shipping people DESPITE the abusive or dark nature of the ship. What I am against are people turning crap like this into romance to justify the ship. Calling this behavior LOVE and not abuse. That’s what I’m against. Ship these assholes all you want but at least admit it’s not healthy. Moving on to season three:

There’s at least one scene with Will panicked and depressed in Hannibal’s kitchen thinking he can’t live without him and not in a good way. This scene denotes massive signs of codependency which, once again, isn’t love. It’s the result of extreme emotional and physical abuse on Hannibal’s part.

Will chases Hannibal all over the world to find him and does but Hannibal attempts to cut his head open and eat his brain. Seems like he would have done it had he not been stopped by whatever deus ex machina plot device happened, think it was Chiyoh but whatever it was, trust me it was bullshit.

Hannibal and Will are brought back to Mason in the states and once again endure a bunch of torture and none of this is anything that would have happened had Hannibal not dragged Will into all of this in the first place.

They eventually escape after Hannibal kills basically everyone and takes Will home. Will tells Hannibal, point blank, he wants nothing to do with him anymore because Hannibal is bad. Very bad. Will openly recognizes this to be the case and states it. Hannibal gets upset and turns himself in just so “Will can always know where to find him” and if you wanna tell me that’s not the trademark of an emotional abuser you don’t know what emotional abuse is.

Will actually goes on to get married and loves his wife. He’s dragged back into working with Hannibal to catch another killer. Will seems to try to avoid bonding or getting near Hannibal at all costs but it’s too late. The codependent bond has already been formed, Hannibal gets into his head again.

Will, recognizing that this is a very bad situation but he’s never going to get away from it, decides to kill both Hannibal and himself instead of living this life of torment he so clearly hates. The end.

Now, if you read all of that and thought “Wow this is a beautiful romance story with loving caring devoted husbands” I got news for you, you’re insane. If you had a friend who went through all of this with a partner, you’d get them away from that partner and never let them go back. You also wouldn’t call it love or caring or anywhere near the sort, except these Hannigram shippers they do. They overly justify this behavior and call it romance. It’s sickening. It’s like they are willing to ignore 90% of the actual events of the show to insist that this ship is canon. It’s not.

Not once in the show did Hannibal and Will kiss. Not once in the show did they say “I love you”. Not once did the show establish they were actually a couple or even gay. Not once was there any factual on screen indication via dialogue or action that showed these two being sexually interested in each other or romantically linked. If these events weren’t shown or stated in the show then their relationship isn’t canon and a tweet doesn’t make it canon. All the Bryan Fuller tweets and fan service in the world can’t make it canon. What the idiot shippers bring up THE MOST is the scene where Will asks Bedelia if Hannibal loves him as if this is “the scene” where Will totally confesses his love to Hannibal. Except, that’s not what it means at all. Here’s what’s actually going on here:

If I think that a person I know has a crush on me, and I ask a friend of theirs “Does so and so love me” what indication does that give about my feelings towards that person? Did you guess none? Asking the simple question “Does X person love me” gives no indication as to how the person asking feels about the person they think loves them. None. Will never actually followed that by saying he loved Hannibal as well, and the “bride” comment the Fannibals site was clearly said in a dark sarcastic way, they remove the context to make it real. When you have to jump through this many hoops to say a ship is canon, then your Goddamn ship isn’t canon. Furthermore, Bedelia was a well established liar, manipulator, and former victim of Hannibal’s. WELL ESTABLISHED. There is literally nothing to say she actually knew what she was talking about or she wasn’t just fucking with Will. None. Because that’s all she did through the entire show was fucking lie and meddle with people, including her own patients which was shown in season three. Bedelia has no credibility on this matter because she was already established as a liar.

I do honestly wonder sometimes if I watched an entirely different show than these people. Alright, so even though I covered this before I will say it again and explain it a bit better this time. This is why Bryan Fuller tweeting “Hannigram is canon” doesn’t make it canon. Casual viewers of the show don’t follow his twitter or interviews. I know dozens of people who watched the show and only did that. Watched it. They didn’t go see what anyone had to say about it. They didn’t stalk Bryan Fuller on twitter. They didn’t read every fucking interview that ever happened. This means that what casual TV viewers saw was an absolutely NON-ROMANTIC NON-CANON relationship between Will and Hannibal. People saw what I listed. People saw abuse, manipulation, emotional anguish and torture. They weren’t cross checking with Fuller’s twitter and interviews to make sure their agenda was being pushed. This means that the only place this is canon is literally in fan fiction in the mind of Fuller and in the minds of the fan girls who believed him. It does not make this canon to the show and it certainly does not make the behavior romantic at all.

Even if, at the end of all this, after all Hannibal had done to Will, they both confessed love to each other why would anyone forgive that? Why would anyone call that romance? Why? When this was clearly a system of abuse designed to brainwash Will into codependency and anyone with two brain cells can see that. Why would you want this to represent “Gay love” why would you think this is good representation for gay couples? Why in the hell do you think this matters so much that a show that is literally about one man with power abusing another man be seen as GAY CANON. Why not choose a better more healthy relationship for your cause? What the fuck is the point of all of this? At the end of the day, Hannigram isn’t canon to the show. Hannigram is and always will be fan fiction. Since any “example” of love or romance anyone can give me boils down to nothing more than actual abuse, torture, and murder I’m going to say that it just doesn’t exist. If you want to WRONGLY BELIEVE that it’s canon you go ahead, but you’re still wrong. Opinions do not change facts no matter how badly they hurt your feelings.

[xtattlecrimex-blog]

i agree that the person who had tattlecrime irl is a bad person, but misogyny isn’t justified lol

WTF are you talking about misogyny about what? Who’s being a misogynist? Or is this the loose tumblr definition of misogyny where anything you don’t like is misogyny? 

[xtattlecrimex-blog]

Why Bryan Fuller’s Tweets are NOT Canon

Canon vs Fanon is a big debate these days. Now, I’m going to point out some things. I’m in my 30s and for most of my life I’ve wanted to be a writer. For most of my life the definition of canon was very universal and solid. The definition being the written word of the finalized draft of something. Either a movie script or a manuscript. Something that’s set in stone because it’s in a final draft and there’s a hard copy of it. This is essentially the bible and the work of the author that states what is factual to their universe and what isn’t. Then one day, some idiot named JK Rowling decided that she didn’t like this and made one of her characters gay out of nowhere. That’s when it all changed. Now, despite my opinions on the actual Harry Potter books, I really, actually hate JK Rowling and what she’s turned the series into. The problem is that she’s a rich, white, billionaire so now she’s allowed to make the rules, even if she literally is only making them to earn virtue points from idiot SJWs. The thing here is, that canon was nothing like this before she came along and many people, millions, entirely disagree with what she did or is trying to do.

Then Bryan Fuller did it with Hannigram. He failed to show any type of romance or love between Hannibal Lecter and Will Graham in his show. The show he created and had completely control over. What he actually showed on screen and what was in the scripts, is that, well Hannibal was abusing Will. Manipulating him into a codependent relationship via gaslighting until Will felt that he couldn’t live without Hannibal anymore. This isn’t romance or love, this is abuse, plain and simple. I’m not really complaining about that because it makes for a good story and a good plot. What I’m complaining about is that Bryan Fuller will also try to say that Hannigram, as the romantic pairing, is canon. The fannibals will point to a couple tweets he made saying that it’s canon, trying to set it in stone. It doesn’t work that way though. It never should and it never will.

If that aspect of their relationship was that important to set in stone, the one man who had all the power in the world to do it, was Bryan Fuller. The one man who didn’t do that at all, was Bryan Fuller. If you need to be able to understand a show by also following the creator on Twitter, then it’s not a good show. So on and so forth. If what Bryan Fuller actually wanted to do was show a romantic love between Will and Hannibal he had every chance to do so but he didn’t. That’s not what happened, no amount of tweeting can change it. End of the story. Period. Though there are weird lines in the show that the fannibals will twist into having their own meanings to “prove” Will loved Hannibal (or Hannibal loved Will) it certainly wasn’t something that was shown on screen or stated in dialogue.

The closest instance of this weird word bending they will do is when Will asks Bedelia if Hannibal loves him. This isn’t Will saying he loves Hannibal, at all this is asking a question. If you believe, in real life, that someone has a crush on you, and you ask “is such and such person in love with me” that doesn’t denote your own feelings about them either way. It was also established through out the show that Will felt trapped and burdened by Hannibal. He certainly didn’t love the guy enough to not get married and try to move on with his life. He avoided even seeing Hannibal for YEARS after he was put in prison. How much was Will actually in love with a guy he so easily gave up after his incarceration (and never wanted to go back to see until he was forced?). None of the behavior in the show denotes love or romance between the two men. Bryan Fuller did not put it in the show despite having the control to do so.

Bryan Fuller does not have the power to change canon through tweets. Fannibals do not have the power to change canon through fan fiction they write or willfully misinterpreting quotes from the show. At the end of the fay, Hannigram is fanon, not canon. The little annoying Hannigram shippers need to learn to accept that and move on with their lives.

[xtattlecrimex-blog]

Me: Here's dozens of screenshots, links, photos, proof and other things that definitely show that the person who ran Tattle-Crime.com is a professional scam artist, sexual predator, and cult leader.

Fannibals: Yeah we're too immature and brainwashed into our own fantasy world to believe FACTS and LOGIC because they hurt our FEELINGS so we are just going to ignore the facts, call you a troll, and pretend that makes us right and makes you wrong.

Me: Yeah just about what I expected from a fandom of 15 year old girls, or 40 year old women who act like they are 15. Stay classy.

[xtattlecrimex-blog]

Dear Fannibals:

If you are going to trash talk about me can you at least get your facts right before you do it? Or do you not care about anything real as long as you can be “right”? Seriously, maybe you should look into what I have to say instead of deciding facts don’t exist because they hurt your feelings. Also, might want to learn what a troll is cause I’m not that. The problem will solve itself soon enough when the story gets exposed so I guess I’m not too worried. Can’t wait to see what happens then. 

[nerdblazegarden-blog]

xtattlecrimex Is literally, you know,tattle crime, so they're obviously a troll, and like to badmouth like Freddie, they've been around in the hannigram tag with anti hannigram posts for some days now and even have a yt channel, this kind of people don't deserve the time of the day from any fannibal, if they're not dignified enough to not post hate in the shipping tag...

Yeah, I found that out pretty quick!

I think the original post I commented on, I had run across in the hannigram tag and didn’t bother to click through to the blog.

However, once they tagged me back I took a look at their other content and realized what was up.

Normally I wouldn’t spend the energy on a blog like that.

But I appreciate the warning and I appreciate us fannibals looking out for one another 😁

[xtattlecrimex-blog]

I don’t like to “bad mouth Freddie” oh you mean Jennifer Cornet, the real person behind the Tattle-Crime.com account. It’s not bad mouthing she’s a legitimate criminal, scam artist, and sexual predator. So once again, you people don’t actually have any of the information you just make up your own story. Great. Yet, I’m the problem? I love that you come to me before actually deciding what’s going on I’m also glad you defend a sexual predator instead of doing something about it so maybe she can go to jail. You’re all a bunch of classy people. 

[adahim]

Hannibal is my favourite gay

[xtattlecrimex-blog]

Even though he’s not gay not in canon at least. 

[lovecrimebooks]

Bryan… is the best. 🤷🏻‍♀️💕

He backed and will get his plushies 😎☺️😈💕

[xtattlecrimex-blog]

This is perverted and unprofessional as fuck. He needs to stop. No wonder no one will hire him anymore, he acts like a 15 year old girl. 

[xtattlecrimex-blog]

Why Are The Fannibals So Obnoxiously Obsessive?

I’m actually getting more at the fact that they are mentally ill. Basically all of them. Once again, I am referencing the specific group of hardcore fans who throw thousands of dollars at their obsession, or still run multiple Hannigram blogs day in and day out despite the show being cancelled years ago. The 200 or so women who hang around on Tumblr and Twitter and devote their lives to worshiping Bryan Fuller and their precious pairing. Those women. People have asked me why they are so obsessive and why the vast majority of them seem to have considerable problems with mental illness. The answer is pretty simple and quite obvious. The show glamorizes mental illness.

Look at Hannibal Lecter, for example. He’s a murderer and a cannibal. Now, in the past (such as the books and then later the original movies) This was framed as a bad thing. Though Hannibal Lecter in both of those materials had some level of style and good manners, he was also portrayed as monster. Described as one too. From Red Dragon all the way through Hannibal (the third novel). I don’t include Hannibal Rising for reasons I’m not going to get into here. The point is, that in the original source material and the movies based off of the original source material, Hannibal was portrayed as creepy more so than stylized, sexualized, and handsome.

However, when you take a look at the show, how is Hannibal portrayed? Well, by a very handsome Danish man. Someone who actually won the award of “Sexist Man In Denmark” at least once that I know of but actually may have won it more than that. A very tall, chiseled, Nordic looking dude. I get that he’s not to everyone’s specific standards of handsome, or sexy, and some people find him downright ugly, but let’s all just admit he has far more appeal to the ladies than Anthony Hopkins. At least, far more appeal to Tumblr aged teenage girls. They were already in love with the likes of Matt Smith, Bill Skarsgard, and Benedict Cumberatch, so Mads really fit right in there along with that. Oh Alex Skarsgard too. The thing is that as much as he may have a very specific look that only appeals to a very specific number of people, well it doesn’t mean he’s not handsome or meant to be played as such. I personally think Mads is very attractive even if I can recognize that his very severe face may not be for everyone.

They take Mads and they turn him into Hannibal Lecter. They give him amazing suits and lots of money. He’s high society, he’s a chef, he’s smart, and he’s a psychiatrist. They show him well before his incarceration as well, and at first they shy away from making him seem too evil so you can empathize with him to some extent. They also really excuse and gloss over his behavior, justify it as him taking care of Will or getting rid of rude people. Cannibalism is bad, yes, and they do show that, but they do it in such a way that it seems fancy and delicious not in the horrific way that it actually is. It’s portrayed at nice dinner parties not in some captive and horrid situation. As much as he is a “bad guy” they put very little emphasis on this. They also have him “taking care” of others, so it seems like that makes it kind of “okay” for him to do the things he does because he’s somehow benefiting society by doing these things, not destroying it. That’s why you will see so many of these over zealous fannibal family fangirls repeating the phrase “eat the rude”.

Next, we have Will Graham. They shy away from ever actually saying he’s autistic in the show but it is heavily implied. He slowly goes insane (thanks to severe mental abuse from Hannibal) until he becomes a murderer as well. Since Hannibal is portrayed in such a “good” light, with minimal focus on the murdering and cannibalism, then this also isn’t seen as a bad thing…not really. It’s justified. Will is doing it because he’s either out of control or he’s so in love with Hannibal he wants to become Hannibal. Or some third thing. There’s ways to justify Will’s violent behavior as much as Hannibal’s. Not to mention Hugh Dancy is attractive and was known in certain circles as a heart throb well before this show aired. He already had a fanbase of fangirls who were in love with him. This allows these people to justify the horrid behavior as well as identify with it. Will is weird, socially awkward, mentally ill, but it’s also completely fine because he’s totally “in love” with Hannibal. I mean by their point of view, not what actually happened in the show.

Then you couple all of this with the fact that the show portrays death as beautiful and artsy. Edgy too. You never really see a gross corpse or the reality of death, what it does to a person, how they’d actually look, the fall out of losing someone in such a way. What you see is a beautiful sculpture of the corpses left over. Very few of them were legitimately gross dead bodies. Everything was stylized to look as pretty as possible while also being as dark as possible. In the actual world if you took someone and skinned their back open to make it look like wings, or used someone’s body to grow mushrooms on, the actual reality of the horror that would create is far worse than what the show did show on screen. Perhaps it was a style choice, and perhaps it had to do with censorship, maybe both, but the reality of death and destruction of all of these things was put through a filter. Rose colored glasses.

The fandom is so full of mentally ill people because it attracted them in this manner. It excused horrible behavior because of mental illness and made them pretty, beautiful even. It went out of its way to justify the behavior of a cannibal and the horrid abuse he put another man through in order to force a bond with him. That’s what it did. It attracted people with substantial problems because it dismissed all of these problems within the main characters and wrapped it up in a very pretty bow then threw it into high society like being mentally ill was some kind of status symbol. If you add that to the fact that the first season of the show was primarily advertised through Tumblr, and we all know what types of people are on tumblr, then one can’t really be surprised that what we have left of the most hardcore and devoted fans, is a mentally ill cesspool of special snowflakes.

One must wonder what the show might have been like had it gotten a normal PR campaign. Had it been advertised like a TV show should be or usually was. What kind of audience it may have attracted (and ratings) if a different creator had been at the helm and how well the should could have done if it hadn’t catered to mentally ill and overly obsessive Tumblr fangirls. There is a longing to know what could have been and a disappointment in knowing what never can be.

[xtattlecrimex-blog]

[Fannibals listen to 1% of what I have to say]

Fannibals: LOL OMG TROLL

Me: I don't think you know what that word means, for one, and for two...if you don't bother to hear the entire story how the fuck are you going to sit there and judge me?

Fannibals: OMG HOMOPHOBE!

Me: Whatever.

[xtattlecrimex-blog]

It seems that #FannibalFest is now begging for art donations to use as promotional art to raise money for FannibalFest three. Except they can definitely afford to commission artists and working for them gains the artists nothing in return given their very tiny and limited audiences. The scamming for the third convention has begun and they haven't even done their Kickstarter yet. 

Artists should never ever do work for exposure, ever. These people can definitely afford to pay artists. 100%. Do not waste your time with these people they are scam artists and I’ve more than proved that. 

[xtattlecrimex-blog]

@nerdblazegarden - Awww look you don’t know what a troll is. Sorry, sweetie, you didn’t even attempt to respond to what I said because you know I only stated facts and because you know you lost this is your response, ergo, proof that I’m right and you are wrong. Maybe look into what a troll is before calling everyone who tells you facts you don’t like a troll. 

[xtattlecrimex-blog]

It’s posts like these that make me question if I was even watching the same show as these people. 

There was never any display of love in this season, ever, between Hannibal and Will. Not anything anyone normal would call love. Will was literally so brainwashed and gaslighted into codependency by Hannibal he chose to kill himself and Hannibal in a murder suicide. 

Will was married to Molly because he loved her. Hannibal ripped that apart because he’s Hannibal and can’t be without Will. 

None of this, literally none of this is anything that happened in the show and the fact that this is how you interpret the material really terrifies me. 

[harrietpatriciawatson]

Well Actually Will chooses Hannibal because they are one in the same. He married Molly because he wanted to live a normal life, to try and make it work. That’s literally the factual canon.

[xtattlecrimex-blog]

Or you know it was an abusive codependent relationship where Will was brainwashed into believing he couldn’t exist without Hannibal that you weirdos are justifying as Romance because you are either all psychopaths or too immature to understand the concept of gaslighting and abuse...but yeah sure framing someone for murder, denying them medical attention for a disease, brainwashing and lying to them to drive them into murdering people yeah that’s love and totally the same thing as a romance. I’m the wrong one. 

[xtattlecrimex-blog]

@nerdblazegarden - If I ask someone “Is NerdBlazeGarden in love with me?” does that in any way denote what my feelings towards you are or is that just me asking a question? Did Will ever actually say out loud “I love Hannibal” or “I am in love with Hannibal Lecter?” No? Exactly. Also, the show established that Bedelia’s relationship with Hannibal as his “bride” was actually fake. He didn’t really love her or marry her it was fake, a charade, a ruse. Clearly. Then you have to consider the fact that Bedelia was a pretty well-established liar and also had been brainwashed to some extent, into codependency, with Hannibal. Ergo: This means nothing. Sorry. Not canon. 

@isla-Scout: Ignoring tone/context doesn’t make something canon. Sorry. 

Bryan Fuller saying, repeatedly Hannigram is canon without putting it in the show doesn’t make it canon. Imagine for a second you’re a NORMAL NON OBSESSED TUMBLR person watching the show. Well for one, that type of person, didn’t ever see romance between Will and Hannibal they saw abuse and manipulation. However, they also DIDN’T see Bryan Fuller’s tweets, nor did they see interviews because they are a casual TV viewer. ERGO: The only place this is “Canon” is in the heads of the obsessive fangirls who want it to BE canon. Not reality. 

Any more questions?