it is truly wild that people will say "if you think trans men are in a materially different class under patriarchy than cis men, you must not think they are real men!" with full earnestness and not realize what it is they are actually saying.
idk my friend, if you need to pretend that trans men don't have materially different experience of patriarchy & are classed differently under patriarchy than cis men, in order to see trans men's manhood as real? i don't think your line of thinking is much different than TERFs who stubbornly refuse to admit that trans women are also have a materially different experience of patriarchy & are classed differently than cis men.
in both cases, rather than acknowledging how the cissexism in feminism has led to the erasure of how fundamental queerphobia and transphobia is to upholding patriarchy, you are clinging to that very cissexism, and privileging the experiences of cis people over trans people and basically blatantly stating that it is the experiences of cis people which define what it means to be a "real" man or woman.
except at least TERFs are being transphobic on purpose; you are trying to act like the real transphobia is acknowledging that. being trans matters when it comes to gender in society???????? this is what happens when you only care about the trans-exclusive part of being anti-TERF and not the radical-feminist part.
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