Random Thoughts

Just me talking not that serious, if we disagree no hard feelings

[hiddenintheyard]

i'd like to really disagree with you and steven wilson here. i believe a quote about the majority of great music being already written only works in the context of rock! and even then it's debatable. to give you an example. you believe 90s to be the time when creativity started dying out due to nostalgia or and being damaged by the corporate machine because you really dislike sound of contemporary pop and rock at the time but let's look at bigger picture. we had golden age of hip-hop as well as renaissance of electronic music both edm and idm. thnaks to them trip-hop was born and we have masive attack and portishead. contemporary r&b was in full swing and soul was reborn in the form of neo soul by the incredible erykah badu, d'angelo and lauryn hill. post rock was became genre thanks to tortoise and slint. shoegaze was an interesting thing that happened you have to admit that my bloody valentine is tour de force. the band earth was vert important for the development of drone music and basically created the first drone metal album ever. and death and what they were doing with death metal. then of course, there were separate experimental artists who were screwing around with many genres that deserve a shout out like bjork, beck, stereolab and your favorite radiohead. and it's just music i can remember i know there's more! i understand how from the perspective of a rock fan that decade can come across as frustrating and beginning of the end but i believe it deserves to be given another chance. i just can't serious say that music will never be as great as it used to be when so many great things happened and continue happening no matter how evil capitalism gets. though album covers are ugly

Oh I'm mostly whiny about 90s pop-rock and soft rock production and what's happened to my faves in that decade lol. My poor Phil Collins was shredded to pieces. Metal was mostly dead and I still believe it's the start of rock being pushed out of mainstream, so it's like the slow death of mainstream rock music. Also, I'm sad about the loss of clarity in production and mixing and music getting louder bc that ushered in the loudness war, which is why I think the early 2000s is one of the worst sounding decade in music. Also, CD era motivated artists to put more songs on the albums (and my faves who were getting older which also meant they pointlessly wrote longer songs...) and the soft rock artists had these washed out production sound, glossy and chimey and I don't like that sound. I don't know, Vangelis rip off sound or how should I call it. So a big part of my "dislike" is more technical in this case.

Also, I'm actually agree with you objectively, which is why I think I wrote somewhere - but if I'm not, I'm adding it here - that I'm still overwhelmingly a rock fan so hip-hop being popular is just not that big news for me. I just find it kind of boring, bc I don't like either talking or close to talking stuff or too much lyrics focus without melody. But I think the rock sound specifically was exhausted by that point so I - unlike maybe some other metalheads - don't believe it was necessiarily a bad thing, that hip hop took over. (At least anymore shh. 🤫 I grew out of it lol.) Something else had to take rock's place and lot of people love it, so good for them. My brother, for example, looooves it, and loves to bully me with it. 😅🫩

But yeah, I think metal or rock overwhelmingly (!) never really recovered from it. (The only ones that I love are Death, Opeth, Tool, Steven Wilson and Thy Catafalque. Tho there were some other that I listened to 10 years ago). I never liked nu metal - I just don't like how it sounds - and these djent, math metal and very technical metal makes me bored. Emo, I never cared for tbh. And most band under the prog rock label now - which is after, something of a favourite of mine - is mostly "retro" rock for me, trying to repeat 70s cliches which destroys the whole point of being "progressive" for me.

Shoegaze was never my favourite, maybe I will try later...

And yeah it's good that you bring up trip-hop and Portishead bc that's something that I'm actually trying to get into! I love the PJ Harvey album that uses some trip-hop elements. Radiohead is also a great example bc it's a pretty recent favourite of mine - for yeaaars I could not get into them. So I'm getting interested in the 90s overall - but it's pretty recent and slowgoing. One day I will try Björk and other electronics stuff but I'm not ready yet haha. Let's not forget that I spent my teens as a metalhead who most of the time even hated synthesizers! I'm slowly changing and adopting but I can't love everything all at once. 😅 But I already showed some interest towards jazz fusion so you know, who knows, one day maybe I will love hip-hop too! But the best thing I can do currently is that I loved Hamilton ghdhdh

Despite my bitchy style, I also believe good art is always being made - but one really has to work for it to find it now. And ofc every time I leave my house I will be forced to tolerate the "mainstream" music and that doesn't cheer me up lot of times, let's just say that. 😭 So ofc I will always have focus on what is mainstream music like when they badgering me with it... (Also, I think it's more like music lost great variations/polar opposites in "mainstream" but maybe that's coming back - who knows!)

God the album covers were ugly. I think the ugly computer generated album covers then - and some trainhopping into AI stuff now and some months ago - really can show how trying to incorporate new technologies into art unthinkingly can be a mistake. Tho AI is more dangerous and there is a bigger pushback overall - but until we don't have proper regulations I'm not calm!

PS.: I'm pretty sure that Steven quote is not as bad as it may come off in the context of the interviews. I think he actually warmed up to a lot of music he maybe didn't like before - especially since he had kids. Listen to a loooot of music. He is one of the most open minded rock artist that I know of. The other say much worse things lol.

[korkyofesher]

I resently did some research into it and there has been RPF for as long as there was fanfiction. The oldest RPF story we know of is from 1968. And I ALSO know how it can be toxic as it was for example with British bloggers Dan and Phil in the 2010s (a real life couple that had no interest in coming out that people shipped and stalked).

I think the main difference is whether or not it affects the real life relationship and experience of the people involved. If it’s fanfiction or blogging posted on Tumblr/AO3 (websites celebrities are NOT gonna visit) it’s (to me) harmless. The problem starts when it spreads on twitter where they or (in some cases) their children can see it.

What also matters is whether or not it’s the MAIN thing that affects the public’s perception of the people involved which, in the case of the fucking Beatles will never be the case. Even for the much more popular mclennons that it’s the case.

So for me, that we’re doing here really is mostly harmless





Dear Anon, you are very right about everything. The beatles are the fucking beatles and what fans write about them doesn't change anything for them or their legacy.

I don't know what made me freak out so badly. I was never in any fandom when I was younger and I read my first fan fiction story less than two years ago, just months before I started writing myself. So it's been a lot of new information in a very short period of time and two completely different fandoms too. HR is so intense that I wouldn't even dare to participate in any discussions for instance in Threads

[youngbirdtree]

Probably unpopular opinion but rpf creeps me out so much, reminds me of the ai celebrity porn thing. I just feel like it’s such a violation of personhood.

Also it just takes me out if the story like just focus on the character they’ve played there’s so much footage of the actors i can’t suspend my disbelief .

an while we're on the subject the way that some of Beatle fans harass sean lennon is disturbing, oh we're gonna get him by saying “paul fucked your dad” “ haha you’re dad is gay” etc, and when you call them out on their childish behavior they proudly say they are and they try to justify it with pseudo intellectual argument, all you can do is shake your head and move on.

[georgeharrisonsmiling]

Within You Without You

[youngbirdtree]

Nostalgia-bait is so strong currently. I'm so done with the new 80s vibe that's just a more boring slick 80s.

Also. Have you seen this video? Really puts into perspective how pop music became melodically so basic and boring. https://www.tumblr.com/hiddenintheyard/817141325102235648/god-no-wonder-i-thought-im-hearing-the-same-song?source=share

For some reason I’m having issues with the link?!

I wish they are going for the 80s because all i hear is watered down recycled 90s songs! Some singers whole identity is copy of an older usually better artist and then they complain why aren’t they more successful! And IF you’re going to do that follow the blueprint of bruno mars be fun great live performer with a couple of popular hits.

[hiddenintheyard]

I was lowkey unimpressed and bored with the album but thankfully the second half stepped up. But I'm not really motivated to re-listen it just yet, especially bc I'm not enterily in love with the production and mixing.

There is only so much time I'm able to tolerate that bad drum sound and the - tho necessiary by Paul's age - vocal effects. I have to re-listen Mccartney III first to he sure but I think I prefer that album deeply over this. That had good, stripped down production, dark mood, energy and some great melodies. (Paul was also less "old" ie. the vocals were better.)

[hiddenintheyard]

Also I hate pointless musical references. A song does not became better bc it envokes a great song or era. It just ruins the new one.

I know it's so unimpressive for me.

[youngbirdtree]

Ding ding ding 🛎️ 🛎️

[youngbirdtree]

i am genuinely perplexed.. how did dick cavett get SO many incredible guests, was he popular?!

I wonder if the lennon interview boosted his show in any way

[destrokkit]

Of course Pattie is mad she wasn't consulted by Sam Mendes and she's entitled to be. It is up to Mendes and/or the actors if they want to approach her, and none did. Mendes did with Julian, Paul Mescal has been able to meet with Paul, same thing for Barry with Ringo, while Harris has shared he hasn't met with anyone from the Lennon estate. So she's not the only one not getting consulted, it's up to the people involved who they want to ask and who makes themselves available.

These movies are meant for entertainment, for an old act to reach new audiences and set a more modern version of the current narrative, both individual and as a band. They are estate approved and backed, not even their documentaries go into depth like we want them to, they just repeat familiar stories in new ways.

We were never going to get a deep dive into the complex relationships between the Beatles and their former wives/gfs. Cynthia is probably the only one that will get a bit more than the others.

if you think the biopics are going to suck because they won't go into depth of every person/relationship/marriage and share The Truth then you're only preemptively getting angry and using this as a reason for something the movies were never going to be.

[youngbirdtree]

i think its going to bad because almost every biopic is, best case scenario is mediocre formulaic movie worst case scenario is bohemian rhapsody.

pattie is something but if i were her i would react the same you're not gonna portray me any kind of way without asking me first!

[destrokkit]

Of course Pattie is mad she wasn't consulted by Sam Mendes and she's entitled to be. It is up to Mendes and/or the actors if they want to approach her, and none did. Mendes did with Julian, Paul Mescal has been able to meet with Paul, same thing for Barry with Ringo, while Harris has shared he hasn't met with anyone from the Lennon estate. So she's not the only one not getting consulted, it's up to the people involved who they want to ask and who makes themselves available.

These movies are meant for entertainment, for an old act to reach new audiences and set a more modern version of the current narrative, both individual and as a band. They are estate approved and backed, not even their documentaries go into depth like we want them to, they just repeat familiar stories in new ways.

We were never going to get a deep dive into the complex relationships between the Beatles and their former wives/gfs. Cynthia is probably the only one that will get a bit more than the others.

if you think the biopics are going to suck because they won't go into depth of every person/relationship/marriage and share The Truth then you're only preemptively getting angry and using this as a reason for something the movies were never going to be.

[youngbirdtree]

I HATE being around pessimistic negative people MY GOD ENOUGH!! Do we have to do this every day!!

[youngbirdtree]

I know I’ve stated multiple times how I dislike Beatle vocals and george’s nasally,weak vocal that he did in latter part of his career but…..

i love dark horse album and think it’s in his top3🏃‍♀️🏃‍♀️

[youngbirdtree]

watching videos of isolated vocals of the Beatles just reinforces my point about their vocal….😬😭

they’re SO mediocre especially next to videos of other artists with insane vocals..even john sounded bad 😭

whoever said they’re amazing writers and that’s their talent was 💯 correct

[inag0ny]

I am of the belief that Maureen should have left Ringo in '68 and started the first goth band instead of Bauhaus.

[youngbirdtree]

I find it puzzling that the fandom doesn’t have an inch of sympathy or understanding to mimi! They got every excuse for almost every person in and around the Beatles but her, fans are usually so harsh and hateful to her.

that women was raising and angry mentally ill child during turbulent times by herself without a support system, therapy, books, facebook groups ANYTHING!

i love us childfree people but in the word of mike tyson “everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face”, yet another example of how harsh society judges mothers and motherhood.

[good-to-drive]

genuinely dumb q, but do you think george became a better singer or like. he started singing songs that matched his voice more?

i would like to preface that i am by no means a musical expert, just someone that loves georges voice during his beatles era but noticed that he somehow managed to sound lovelier the more he made songs (his solo music)

like even in his solo music i cannot imagine the songs working as well as they do if he sang the way he did during early beatle years, and even then, i cant tell if its because the songs he created and has more control over just suits his voice more or he became a more versatile singer

or maybe both! idk. just thought id put this out there because im really no expert and i wouldnt be surprised if his voice rly blossomed once he started creating things that showcased his growth and clearly improved melodies

I could totally see that!! I'm no expert either lol, but I do really love all of the beatles' voices (especially John ngl) and you can definitely hear a difference in George in the early days vs his solo career. I bet you're right that it's a mix of George becoming a better singer and finding songs that really suited him. Plus in his solo work he wasn't competing for time/resources with Paul and John, and Paul in particular did siphon off a lot of their production team's energy which left John at least feeling like his songs weren't always given enough time and attention. I imagine that was extra true for George, and probably contributes to his solo work sounding different.

[youngbirdtree]

i completely disagree 😭 I actually think George became worse as his career progressed, i love when george sings from his gut like “do you wanna a secret” that’s great i hated when his voice became nasally it ruined to me some of his songs.

But I’m maybe in the minority in that i hate all of their voices with the exception of john😭 paul is too clean and formal?noble? George became too nasally and weak, ringo is just monotone there’s no movement in his voice.

now john ugh it’s so good that rasp is lovely but could also be soft and vulnerable, i know paul fans gets mad about john’s quote that he could’ve done oh darling better than paul but I actually agree with him.

[youngbirdtree]

I hate to talk bad about my people but i have to because i swear us millennials refuse to grow up 😭😂

I don’t know what it is but people please the youngest millennial is turning 30….

[shinywitchdaze]

I don’t believe Michael Jackson saed kids but the whole Neverland thingymajiggy is so weird and he himself was such a weird guy …

[hiddenintheyard]

Guess I will never agree with the idea that John Lennon songwriting peak was 65, 66, 67, or just early years or whatever. For me it will always be 68-70.

I mean sure, he also released flop bullshit and did absolute insane nonsense, but at the same time, he released some daring, absolute timeless sounding rock music, especially heavy rock music, that was actually pushing rock (!) music - soundwise - forward and did something original, that I think was not even really replicated to this day.* (Personally I think he was the only Beatle to do that by this particular point).

I also just love his personal, heavy, pointed and sharp, oftentime "minimalistic" lyrics, paired with the abrasive, uncompromising, creative, haunting and beautiful music. After 70, he suddenly took a turn and started relying on heavily 50s nostalgia based rock music and used overall by that time "old"-ish or then current production; he never once again pushed "forward" or made music that sounded like not yet existing genres.

*I guess it could be said that JL/POB was "ahead of it's time" but I don't really like that wording. But it was released in a time when it could not become "trendy" or genre setter.

[hiddenintheyard]

Imagine feels so much more flat despite it having more instruments, sound layers and people involved. I assume John was really unhappy with POB's not being a hit enough and tried to went back to his "roots" with all the strings, George Martin vibe and his good oldies fave songs.

Also the POB songs were crafted but they still retained their live sound; the Imagine album barely sounds like an album made through jamming. How Do You Sleep and I Don't Wanna Be a Soldier really lost their rocky and groovy power. Truly the traces of POB 2 mostly died in the meantime, aside from the title track and Oh my love. The difference between the Anthology version of Jealous Guy vs the album one is my biggest example of a lively and great song beaten down in overproduction, overperfection and purposeful sonftening hell.

[hiddenintheyard]

@youngbirdtree