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“Nothing to say other than the deleterious effects of media exposure isn't going to get any better and nobody has any solutions This world breeds monsters and everyone else is too blinded by their own ideology to pursue any actual solutions that could stop it. Sorry.”
He said: This man has the legal status of a pursuer. He seeks to have me killed. And the Torah said: If one comes to kill you, kill him first. He struck him with the staff and killed him. 58a:15
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hey @ goyim could y'all reblog this if you're actually willing to listen to Jewish people and protect us?
we really need allies right now, and I know seeing this on people’s blogs could be comforting to other Jewish people.
why should we when you just called every non jew a derogatory term
google: goy is a jewish word for a non jewish person this dense fuck: is this a slur??
Literally says derogatory
Cool, then we get to call you a kike. Doesn’t matter if some people have used it pejoratively, the word isn’t inherently any more offensive than “Jew”.
kike was literally created as a slur and is ALWAYS used as a slur. goy, fundamentally, just means “nation” and even in the torah jews are referred to as goy kadosh and goy gadol (holy nation and great nation) it was used in ancient times to refer to gentiles, just simply calling them goyim or goy.
alternatively, the Rambam in the hilchot ma'achalot assurot defines “goy” as a worshipper of idolatry. And this is almost ENTIRELY true for goyim except for Noachides who follow the jewish religion but are not jewish themselves.
it’s entered standard Hebrew as directly translating to “gentile”, so the argument that it’s a slur is just silly. Plus, would you say “shabbos goy” is a slur? because it isn’t.
According to a Jew, “kike” became a thing because y’all’s ancestors hated anything that looked like a cross and so wouldn’t sign with an X if they were illiterate. Instead they used a circle. The Yiddish word for circle begins with kike. “Oh look, more of the circle dudes" doesn’t exactly sound derogatory. In fact, it seems like it only became derogatory later. According to you, that makes it okay, since it didn’t start off as a slur.
Alternatively it was created by German Jews to refer to Russian Jews. That might’ve been derogatory; y’all can take that one up with your ancestors.
We’re not talking about Hebrew, we’re talking about English, specifically English colloquialisms. You won’t find “kike” in a dictionary except as an informal derogatory term for a Jew. Almost like that definition of “goy” above.
I find it hard to believe that referring to a person or group as “idolater/idolaters” was ever meant to be anything but derogatory, seeing as how every culture that ever developed a term for “idolater” or “heathen” used it as an insult. Kikes are no different, regardless of whether or not they are orthodox.
first of all, what was a point i made and, yes, that’s a theory that it refers to immigration to the US, but unlike Goy which can be used either way it developed into SOLELY an insult. No one uses kike as just a word to refer to jews offhandedly, although they theoretically could whereas jews use goy to refer to gentiles in general regardless of context.
“we’re not talking about hebrew, we’re talking about english” so the word that is hebrew is now english? you do realize that a LOT of jews who refer to you as a goy will be yiddish speakers who also speak hebrew, and in both yiddish and hebrew it is not an insult, weird right.
not necessarily derogatory, more so an honest assesment of many goyim. idolaters.
But i have a question for you, what exactly makes goy offensive aside from “google says so xd”, because so far there’s no coherent answer. It’s usually “jews call me it so it’s a slur”
I mean, English has co-opted a lot of words. Kind of a thing we’re known for. Things often have different connotations in English than they do in their original language. Hell, there’s different connotations for the same word depending on which dialect of English you’re using. This is common knowledge.
Hey, “kike” was created by Yiddish speakers to refer to Yiddish speakers. Means something different in Yiddish so it’s okay to use it, right?
And your original claim was that “kike” was created as a slur and has always been a slur. The first is untrue and you have no way of knowing the second other than “google says so xd”. In other words, it’s “goys call me it so it’s a slur”.
“not necessarily derogatory” Again, show me another culture that calls unbelievers “idolater” or an equivalent and doesn’t mean it pejoratively. Hell, every time the word “idolaters” is brought up in the Talmud, it is always a negative and derogatory term. Somehow I doubt this connotation disappeared between Moses and Maimonides.Yes, “goyim” is not the Hebrew word for idolaters. My point is that I doubt Maimonides meant it politely when he said that every time a Jew uses the word “goyim” plainly they mean “idolaters”.
I guarantee that if we revived the custom of calling Jews heretics, idolaters, and Christ-killers, you’d be enraged, especially if someone then told you “well it’s just an honest assessment of Jews”.
Regardless, this ain’t going anywhere. Y’all are too entrenched in the “rules for thee but not for me” shtick.
1. true, but in this case it’s a word solely used by Yiddish and hebrew speakers. (or people who are otherwise jews, so the hebrew and yiddish meaning doesn’t change)
2. Kike wasn’t created by yiddish speakers to refer to yiddish speakers lmao, and if it was no one ever uses that. I know people who speak yiddish lmao. there’s plenty of theories, one of them is literally just that a lot of ashkenazi surnames end in “-ky”
3. while it wasn’t created as a slur (this was my memory woopsie) it is almost undoubtedly used entirely as a slur, and denying this is intellectually dishonest.
4. the original text explicitly states it’s about context:
Whenever it is stated that wine is forbidden in this context, if the gentile who causes the wine to be forbidden worships false deities, it is forbidden to benefit from it. If he does not worship false deities, it is merely forbidden to drink it. Whenever we refer to a gentile without any further description, we mean one who worships false deities
of course the meaning is somewhat lost without hebrew, but you can kinda piece it together. Regardless, what Rambam stated doesn’t matter much now since no one uses it in that context. You’d be more likely to hear someone refer to an idolater as simply a “kofer” or the act of such as avodah zarah.
5. no i wouldn’t, they already do lmao. the words of goyim regarding judaism mean virtually nothing.
6. then simply answer my question. what makes goy a slur?
like seriously. that’s what i want to know, WHAT makes goy a slur? no one can give me an answer.
hey @ goyim could y'all reblog this if you're actually willing to listen to Jewish people and protect us?
we really need allies right now, and I know seeing this on people’s blogs could be comforting to other Jewish people.
why should we when you just called every non jew a derogatory term
google: goy is a jewish word for a non jewish person this dense fuck: is this a slur??
Literally says derogatory
Cool, then we get to call you a kike. Doesn’t matter if some people have used it pejoratively, the word isn’t inherently any more offensive than “Jew”.
kike was literally created as a slur and is ALWAYS used as a slur. goy, fundamentally, just means “nation” and even in the torah jews are referred to as goy kadosh and goy gadol (holy nation and great nation) it was used in ancient times to refer to gentiles, just simply calling them goyim or goy.
alternatively, the Rambam in the hilchot ma'achalot assurot defines “goy” as a worshipper of idolatry. And this is almost ENTIRELY true for goyim except for Noachides who follow the jewish religion but are not jewish themselves.
it’s entered standard Hebrew as directly translating to “gentile”, so the argument that it’s a slur is just silly. Plus, would you say “shabbos goy” is a slur? because it isn’t.
According to a Jew, “kike” became a thing because y’all’s ancestors hated anything that looked like a cross and so wouldn’t sign with an X if they were illiterate. Instead they used a circle. The Yiddish word for circle begins with kike. “Oh look, more of the circle dudes" doesn’t exactly sound derogatory. In fact, it seems like it only became derogatory later. According to you, that makes it okay, since it didn’t start off as a slur.
Alternatively it was created by German Jews to refer to Russian Jews. That might’ve been derogatory; y’all can take that one up with your ancestors.
We’re not talking about Hebrew, we’re talking about English, specifically English colloquialisms. You won’t find “kike” in a dictionary except as an informal derogatory term for a Jew. Almost like that definition of “goy” above.
I find it hard to believe that referring to a person or group as “idolater/idolaters” was ever meant to be anything but derogatory, seeing as how every culture that ever developed a term for “idolater” or “heathen” used it as an insult. Kikes are no different, regardless of whether or not they are orthodox.
first of all, what was a point i made and, yes, that’s a theory that it refers to immigration to the US, but unlike Goy which can be used either way it developed into SOLELY an insult. No one uses kike as just a word to refer to jews offhandedly, although they theoretically could whereas jews use goy to refer to gentiles in general regardless of context.
“we’re not talking about hebrew, we’re talking about english” so the word that is hebrew is now english? you do realize that a LOT of jews who refer to you as a goy will be yiddish speakers who also speak hebrew, and in both yiddish and hebrew it is not an insult, weird right.
not necessarily derogatory, more so an honest assesment of many goyim. idolaters.
But i have a question for you, what exactly makes goy offensive aside from “google says so xd”, because so far there’s no coherent answer. It’s usually “jews call me it so it’s a slur”
hey @ goyim could y'all reblog this if you're actually willing to listen to Jewish people and protect us?
we really need allies right now, and I know seeing this on people’s blogs could be comforting to other Jewish people.
why should we when you just called every non jew a derogatory term
google: goy is a jewish word for a non jewish person this dense fuck: is this a slur??
Literally says derogatory
Cool, then we get to call you a kike. Doesn’t matter if some people have used it pejoratively, the word isn’t inherently any more offensive than “Jew”.
kike was literally created as a slur and is ALWAYS used as a slur. goy, fundamentally, just means “nation” and even in the torah jews are referred to as goy kadosh and goy gadol (holy nation and great nation) it was used in ancient times to refer to gentiles, just simply calling them goyim or goy.
alternatively, the Rambam in the hilchot ma'achalot assurot defines “goy” as a worshipper of idolatry. And this is almost ENTIRELY true for goyim except for Noachides who follow the jewish religion but are not jewish themselves.
it’s entered standard Hebrew as directly translating to “gentile”, so the argument that it’s a slur is just silly. Plus, would you say “shabbos goy” is a slur? because it isn’t.
hey @ goyim could y'all reblog this if you're actually willing to listen to Jewish people and protect us?
we really need allies right now, and I know seeing this on people’s blogs could be comforting to other Jewish people.
why should we when you just called every non jew a derogatory term
google: goy is a jewish word for a non jewish person this dense fuck: is this a slur??
Literally says derogatory
Yeah soooo my Jewish friends won’t use the term goy because they know it’s in fact derogatory. However, in a joking statement they could call me a goy just as my other friends would call me a hick and I would call my Mexican friend a spic and my Jewish friends globalist lizard people, but keep in mind, this is because we all know each other. We are friends. You calling upon the “goys” to protect you, I view that in a similar light as if you asked for assistance from someone of a different complexion than your own by calling to them by their appearance i.e. “can I get some help here, darkie?” or something like that. You not being able to see the controversy in the words you speak and then crying that “oh but it doesn’t mean what you think it means” is inconsistent. A good example would be that the term “negro” is a Spanish for black, but in an American pronunciation it sounds as “knee-grow” which is where the horribly offensive term “nigger” comes from. Any way you paint it, it only means black. That word means black. But guess what! You should never use it. It’s fucked up and wrong to refer to someone as such. You don’t get a pass to call anyone “goy” just because you think the meaning passes over anyone’s head.
question, what makes goy “derogatory”
hey @ goyim could y'all reblog this if you're actually willing to listen to Jewish people and protect us?
we really need allies right now, and I know seeing this on people’s blogs could be comforting to other Jewish people.
why should we when you just called every non jew a derogatory term
google: goy is a jewish word for a non jewish person this dense fuck: is this a slur??
Literally says derogatory
buddhas of bamyan
For my opinion on Tsar Nicholas i have been called a “dirty jew” or what have you. The irony being, the exact same sentiment that jews control everything and are disgusting vile rats is exactly what led jews to support the Bolsheviks. You think the bundists popped up “just because” and with the sole goal of undermining the russian empire just because? no they popped up because jews were oppressed in the russian empire. Cause meet effect.
Not to mention the tsardom had some support from Hassidic communities but this died after they wrongly accused a prominent rabbi of blood libel.
It doesn’t take a lot of using your noggin to realize why a lot of Jews supporting the bolsheviks over the Tsardom that actively tried to kill jews. It’s not some dumb plot to undermine you; it’s “i value my life and my family’s life over the tsar”.
“ וַיְבָ֣רֶךְ אֹתָם֮ אֱלֹהִים֒ וַיֹּ֨אמֶר לָהֶ֜ם אֱלֹהִ֗ים פְּר֥וּ וּרְב֛וּ וּמִלְא֥וּ אֶת־הָאָ֖רֶץ וְכִבְשֻׁ֑הָ וּרְד֞וּ בִּדְגַ֤ת הַיָּם֙ וּבְע֣וֹף הַשָּׁמַ֔יִם וּבְכָל־חַיָּ֖ה הָֽרֹמֶ֥שֶׂת עַל־הָאָֽרֶץ׃ “
“ God blessed them and God said to them, “Be fertile and increase, fill the earth and master it; and rule the fish of the sea, the birds of the sky, and all the living things that creep on earth.” -Genesis 1:28
Rashi:
וכבשה AND SUBDUE IT — The word lacks a ו after the ש so that it may be read as meaning: and subdue her (i. e. the woman), thereby teaching you that the male controls the female in order that she may not become a gad-about; teaching you also that to the man, whose nature is to master, was given the Divine command to have issue, and not to the woman (Yevamot 65b).
Ramban:
And God blessed them: That is a true blessing. Therefore, [here] it is written, "and God said to them." But above (verse 22), it is written, "And God blessed them, saying," [which] is explained as the blessing [only] being the [actual] proclamation by which he gave them the power to reproduce, [but] not a different proclamation through which they would be blessed (as was the case with man). "And fill the earth:" A blessing that they should fill the earth due to their great number. And according to my opinion, He blessed them that they fill all of the earth, [meaning] that the nations should separate into their families to the corners of the world due to their great number. And they should not be in one place, [such an idea being] the thought of the men of the Generation of Dispersion (at the time of the Tower of Babel). "And subdue it:"He gave them the power and rulership over the earth; to do whatever they wanted with the beasts and the swarming animals and all of those that slither on the ground; and to build and to uproot and plant and to quarry copper from its hills and [to do things] similar to this. And this is [all] included in its stating (above, verse 26), "and over all the earth." "And have dominion over the fish of the sea;" He said that they should have dominion also over the fish of the seas that are covered by them and over the fowl of the sky that are not with man upon the ground and [even] also over all [dangerous] animals. And He sequenced them according to their creation: the fish and the fowl first and the animals afterwards; and so [too] does the verse state (Psalms 8:7-9), "You have made him rule over the works of Your hands; You have put all things under His feet: Sheep and oxen - all of them, and also the beasts of the field; The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, etc." And our Rabbis differentiated between subduing and having dominion.
Sforno:
וכבשה, this is not a directive to conquer earth with muscular power, but to subdue it by means of man’s superior intellect. It means that man is to use his intelligence to prevent predators from invading his habitats, demonstrating the fact that man is superior, can outwit the beasts.
ורדו, trapping the beasts, training them to bend to man’s will.
"The Shoemaker's Son", by Shoshana Eden
Seeing all these neo-Bolsheviks celebrating the anniversary of the murder of Tsar Nicholas II and the brutal slaughter of his children is a good reminder that these “people” don’t have the slightest compunction about killing even children who aren’t wholly committed to their cause. I really can’t have any sympathy for these people
It’s entirely justified for killing him. His family is questionable, but for the sins he committed he got his judgement.
>entirely justified
>only questionable
You want to rethink that one? Particularly the part where people are celebrating it?
Nicholas the II wasn’t as awful as his predecessor, but he did very little to remedy what was put in place by him. His inaction resulted in the death of thousands of innocent people on numerous occasions, not to mention he was quite fond of the black hundreds. Because of this, I see no issue with him being killed for it. His family were not apart of his crimes, and as such likely didn’t deserve to die. However, i wouldn’t know about that hence why i said questionable, for all i know they did help him.
From another standpoint, his death at the hands of the bolsheviks was divinely ordained, and in that sense he deserved it because HaShem decreed it to be good. But for sake of argument lets say he was innocent, you wouldn’t have a case for doing it, even if it is good because it was decreed by HaShem.
