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wanna voice whatever the heck opinions you want about phan? go right ahead because harmless discussion about people you enjoy and support is a wonderful thing, especially when it's based on WORDS OUT THEIR OWN WONDERFUL MOUTHS go on then you're in the right place <3

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Speculating is not outing: Or why I don't think we have an obligation to "accept the line we're given"

Anyone in the CC fandom, who doesn’t live under a rock, will probably have seen the post that went round today that listed several photos of Colton Haynes with female friends in positions that may or may not suggest that he was in fact in a relationship with those women. You will also have seen the caption which asks whether these kinds of pictures “look familiar”, thus implying that similar pictures are available of other celebrities whose sexuality is subject to some public debate, but who have not come out (yet). The post seems to be particularly popular in the Larry fandom (I’m sure our little CC fandom could probably not muster over 2000 reblogs in that short a time), but it has come around our dashes too, so similar rules apply.

What not everybody may have seen is some of the counter-posts, where people object to the OP collating those pictures and making those implied suggestions, which they stand accused of doing to “promote their ship”. I saw one post in particular that got me thinking about a lot of things that I have been discussing with fellow CC shippers over the last year or so about the ethics of shipping and whether or not we have the right to challenge somebody’s self-professed sexual identity. 

I didn’t want to highjack the discussion that is going on as part of the other post and this is going to be about the usual length for one of my deliberations (i.e. long!). So I made this separate post for anyone who is interested. The rest of it is under the cut.

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[allyphannie-blog]

So was this just made to troll antiphannie for a day or ru going to keep it going?

it wasn’t made to troll anyone but i guess i started it in a moment of frustration lol so it came off kind of harsh? i don’t hate antiphannie, the mods seem p great as people, but a lot of stuff they say really doesn’t fly and they come off as really mean about a lot of things when there’s no need for it. 

i don’t know how active it will be if i’m never getting asks, but i definitely have some more things i’d like to post about when i’ve got a minute so yeah i’m going to keep it going. don’t hesitate to send in stuff!

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adamant heteronormativity WILL be the end of me ! I see it so often directed at Dan and Phil, eventually I will burst a blood vessel. I cannot even bother to articulate my thoughts to offenders anymore, so good on u for what ur doing here

it being a thing isn’t even the worst part, it’s that so many people can’t even recognise it when it’s staring them in the face. and instead of engaging with the issue to understand it (and ideally STOP DOING IT) they just scream straw man arguments back in response. it’s just really sad? 😶

[allyphannie-blog]

Did you have a fav video from gamingmas and why?

ooh girl gang beasts was probs the best because it was so funny but bubble bobble was so chill and cute?? maybe they tie for best but the whole month was so great who can really pick just one fav tbh

[allyphannie-blog]

I'm living for all your posts but I don't wanna like them because I don't want to be exposed so this is me giving all your posts an honorary like xx

lmao bless you child and thank you, i’ll take what i can get 💜

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idc bout what you're preaching over here but I like your icon so there you go

thank you i like it too! i think the plushies are so cute and i’m so glad they made them, just looking at them makes me really happy 💕

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“you’re disrespecting them”

what a pickle this statement is. there’s nothing more respectful than listening to others and taking their words at face value. if dan (and i apologise for the constant focus on dan but he does give more away than phil) is openly putting things out into the world, i think it’s disrespectful to just ignore them to back up your own narrative. right? 

i say tomato, you say DISRESPECT

where is the disrespect in accepting dan’s constant and repeated statements of sexual attraction to guys? 

where is the respect in aggressively disregarding them and attacking other people for recognising dan’s words for what they are? when did he ask you to not take anything he says seriously? 

again, why have you decided that ‘no labels’ means ‘anything resembling sexual expression is a joke’? that’s quite the leap based on nothing. it’s not disrespectful to engage with things dan has willingly expressed to his audience. it is disrespectful to shout down people trying to do so while you have your hands over your ears mumbling about not assuming things and respecting people while doing neither. 

pot calling the kettle a hypocrite.

[allyphannie-blog]

seems like you're getting a lot of hate so here's some love. i like that you're very diplomatic despite how shitty that blog's followers are being. keep fighting the good fight my man.

aw that’s nice of you thanks! i hope anyone who reads this has a kick ass day today!👌

[allyphannie-blog]

What is the point of this blog? So people think they're staight? Does it fucking matter???

if it doesn’t to you, then live your life queen. lots of blogs out there focus on things you think do matter and that’s what’s important.

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you're assuming that dnp are dating. when they never said they are. it's not that hard just respect them and stop being so invasive.

i respect them so much pal i really do. but i don’t think it’s invasive to talk about what they’ve said and say? like if you want to come in here and talk about their videos heck yes i’d love to. gamingmas anybody? i don’t need or want to only ever talk about their possible dating situation etcetera, but i also don’t see the need to get angry and shut it down when the topic comes up. what’s invasive or disrespectful about anything i’ve said so far?

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“stop assuming”

does anybody remember when dan and phil both voluntarily and without shame identified as bi? because i sure do. does anybody remember after that when either one of them said some variation of ‘actually i don’t identify as bi, that was said in error, turns out i’m straight’? 

no? 

me neither. 

because it never happened. 

now in the intervening years dan has all but spelled out that he’s not into labels for himself and that’s fine but it’s odd to me that people are so determined to equate ‘not choosing to use labels to identify my sexuality’ with ‘i have no sexuality and will not speak of it or express it and if i appear to do either you best ignore it and call out anybody else who dares to acknowledge it’.

that does such a disservice to everybody, regardless of labels or lack of labels, out there who choose to express their sexuality in whatever manner they are most comfortable with. dan not wanting to identify as one specific thing doesn’t automatically mean he wants everybody to sweep his self-expression under a rug, never to be acknowledged. where did this mindset come from? and how can it be healed?

the fact is, if you feel compelled to declare all mentions of male attraction by dan to be a joke of some kind, there is a problem and you need to reprogram your mind for the good of society. on more than one occasion, when asked directly about his ‘celebrity crush’ (singular) he has answered in the plural with a male crush and a female crush. unprompted. not as a joke. so then what happens within one’s mind to write off half of his answer, to ignore the male option he willingly put out there, and only take the female option as a serious answer? or to say that one answer is real while another is a token and platonic answer. who are you to make that assumption? truly an assumption because there is no proof beyond your own heteronormative ideals.

“it’s not heteronormative to think he’s joking”

YES IT IS friend, yes it is. because absolutely nothing in crafting a wider answer to a narrow question gives any reason to discount 50% of that answer as you see fit. especially when it’s an answer given on multiple occasions and when the two people named in that answer have come up over the years each as a focus of attraction in casual contexts and not as some kind of punchline. radio shows, liveshows, tweets. how many times and on how many platforms and with how even of a tone does a person need to say something before they can be taken seriously? why on earth does it even need to be more than once?

there are no assumptions being made when you look at a person’s words and accept them for what they are. dan telling us over and over again over several years that he finds men attractive and sexually desirable is not an invitation to label him as anything, of course not. but they’re also very clearly indicative of a sexuality that cannot be defined as straight. and accepting that is not an assumption or an insult or a bad thing in any way. but the way some people behave in the face of that very simple information is troubling to say the least. dan isn’t ashamed of it or frightened of speaking about it, so why are you acting like you need to defend him from himself? what is so terrible about accepting his own words as he lays them out for us? 

what are you really afraid of?

[allyphannie-blog]

why don't you relax and also who asked for your opinion

i’m very relaxed thank you, i’m drinking some tea and i’m gonna make some spaghetti. nobody asked for my opinion just like nobody asked for yours, so look at us having things in common. cool.

[allyphannie-blog]

stop with the labels bc dan doesn't like them boiii

i haven’t used any labels on dan anywhere here and i don’t plan on doing so…?

[allyphannie-blog]

What when has Dan ever talked aboyt Troye sexually

lol it was a liveshow and he basically admitted to having various sexual fantasies involving troye. i’m pressed for time rn, but i’ll track down which one it was on youtube at some point and get back to you

[allyphannie-blog]

Just so you know nessa has a gc with ppl who ship phan and they're laughing about you being all extra damn not even phannies like you so sad

well honestly i’m glad nessa can be cool with some shippers on a personal level, it’s just sad she can’t extend that to strangers at large as well. but happy i could give y’all some laughs today.

[allyphannie-blog]

OH MY GOD you don't know shit about dan and phil they could be straight and just giving men compliments we don't know them personally and shouldn't assume sexualities so please stop or I'm gonna have to report you

i’m not assuming sexualities by recognising the likelihood that dan ain’t straight based on his own words. (and going by the only comments phil has made on his sexuality, it’s not an assumption to accept he clearly identified as bi and has never taken that back or changed that statement since). 

hearing what people say and understanding what they mean isn’t a horrible thing to do, not being straight is not a shameful thing and i don’t know what i could possibly be reported for. i’m sorry you’re upset, it’ll be ok.

[allyphannie-blog]

flames flames

ohhh maaa gawwwwd the heteronormativity is real and it is painful

the straights are out in full force telling people that words are meaningless because they personally think people of the same sex can be pretty so like whatever. dan saying sexual things about guys isn’t actually sexual. ah.

wow. i see the light. thanks.

[allyphannie-blog]

ADDENDUM SINCE PEOPLE CAN’T READ: 

this was in response to the ANONS who sent in asks to antiphannie saying ‘i’m straight but think same sex people can be attractive’ and people are trying to drag ME for reading comprehension. i know the main anons on ap don’t identify as straight and this post was not meant to indicate that sweet jebus.