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A belt was never going to stop a leaky pipe, by the way. Genuinely what the fuck were they writing if not gay shit?
Returning to Byler 6 months later
So I'm back again.
It's so weird. I just spent the last half a year feeling faintly ill whenever I thought about Stranger Things S5. I haven't rewatched a single episode since December and I haven't read any fanfic or even opened this app since March.
But then suddenly in the past week, I finally started feeling like coming back. I've been listening to the soundtrack (mostly Heroes) and I think I've come to the conclusion that I love seasons 1-4 more than I hate season 5. I'll never forgive the Duffers and I don't think I'll ever be able to completely get over the disappointment from the finale, but I think I'm finally ready to engage with this community again. My plan is to try to pretend S5 never happened as much as possible, though I know I can't completely forget about it.
All this to say... I'm back, and hopefully I'm here to stay this time. Byler is canon in my heart and that's all that matters. Maybe it makes me delusional, but who the fuck cares. It's not like we haven't all been called that before.
Also I still plan on finishing my fanfic, even though I haven't updated it since January. I think I owe it to myself and everyone who's been reading to give Byler my own version of a happy ending.
Where I've been
This is an update/rant on what the fuck has been going on with me for those who care. If you don't, keep scrolling.
So my last post was about 2 months ago. I have a super long fanfic I haven't updated since early January. I've barely opened this app in weeks. I genuinely feel like I went through a 2 month long depressive episode because of the bad taste the finale left in my mouth.
But lately I've been thinking about Stranger Things again and I've been listening to the soundtrack and watching old scenes and remembering why I fell in love with this show in the first place, and I'm slowly falling back into my Byler obsession.
I had to go through a whole fucking character arc just to recover from what the Duffers did to me.
All this is to say a couple of things:
1. It's okay to take a step back from this fandom if that's what you need to do. You'll probably find your way back again if you truly love this show.
2. There's a reason we all fell in love with this show. Go back and watch the first four seasons as many times as you need to (not on Netflix). When I finally listened to Running Up That Hill again, it genuinely gave me life.
3. I swear to god I will finish my fic if it's the last thing I do. For any of my readers who see this, I'm so sorry for leaving you hanging right at the climax. I just needed to take a break for the sake of my mental health.
I'm so fucking back, y'all!
that scene was so fucking impressive i had to draw it @andrewthegaynerd
link to the fic (X)
I hate that Steve might actually be one of the best written characters in the show now because they took all of their actual complex characters back behind the shed and put them down.
The show isn’t ruined per se but it’s definitely a little depressing to see the characters, especially the younger group, knowing where they end up. Like, I can’t look at El’s sweet face when she’s revealed to be alive in 2x01, or when she goes to visit Kali, or whatever, without thinking “This child is going to be dead in three years.” It doesn’t make the earlier seasons less skillfully characterized/structured/told in general, but I’m not watching in a vacuum—I’m watching from the perspective of someone who loves these characters and cares that they ended up happy. And many of them didn’t.
I definitely understand this perspective. Maybe I'm still grieving, but I just find it extremely easy to act like the finale wasn't canon. Like, even as I was watching El's death the first time, I was thinking that it was such a poor decision that I didn't want to even consider it to be real. It's almost like I think of it as a shitty fanfic rather than the canon ending of the show.
And when it comes to Byler, I'm always going to be convinced that it was supposed to be the ending until the very end when, for whatever reason, the Duffers completely changed course. So I can still appreciate season 1-4 Byler (and even season 5 vol 1 Byler), because I know that what I'm watching is real. It was set up, and even if the finale didn't show it, they were always going to end up together. The end of their story is just in my head instead of on my screen. It's disappointing, but I'm able to trust the media analysis skills of myself and this community enough to know what was supposed to happen.
And with El, even if the Duffers always planned for her to die at the end, I know in my heart that it was the wrong choice. Maybe I'm dissociating as a way to cope with it, but I just don't even view El's fate as the true ending. It's just too fundamentally wrong for me to accept it.
Am I the only one who still finds Stranger Things as rewatchable as ever? Like, season 5 vol 2 and the finale are so bad and out of character that I find it easy to just disregard them and pretend they don't exist.
I keep seeing people saying that the whole show is ruined now, and I can understand why you would feel that way, but it still makes me really sad. Like, obviously don't watch the show on Netflix anymore, but if you can find a way to enjoy at least the early seasons, you should. It's too good of a show to let it be ruined by a couple of shitty straight white men who can't write.
So, I haven't seen Finn's appearance on SNL, and I'm never going to watch it because I don't like or respect SNL. So I can't really speak to the offensive jokes people are freaking out about, and I can't make judgement on how angry we should be with Finn.
All I can say is that this is another example of why we need to stop putting these celebrities on a pedestal and acting like they can do no wrong. Because then when they inevitably do something wrong people start feeling personally insulted and heartbroken. We've played this game with Noah (who I've forgiven), the Duffers, and Shawn Levy (who I will never forgive), and yet we keep doing it.
Finn is a human being. That means he's capable of making his own decisions, including poor ones. It also means he's not responsble for every little thing that was fucked up about that SNL skit.
So I think people have a right to be upset, but we also shouldn't treat him like the devil incarnate. But, again, I haven't seen the skit so I probably don't have a right to speak about it. This is just something to keep in mind when you're typing out your hate posts.
The ending in my head: The six members of the Party are in Mike's basement finishing their game of D&D just like in season 1, but instead of leaving to all go home, they all are about to leave Hawkins for good. Some are going to college, some are moving away because, as Mike said, they've all seen too much. We get an emotional goodbye from everyone outside the Wheeler house, mirroring the goodbye outside the Byers' house in season 3. People leave one by one until it's just Mike and Will left, who ride through Hawkins together one last time. We see Will staring out the window with tears in his eyes, but this time they aren't sad, they're bittersweet. He has everything he ever wanted, but at the same time he's really saying goodbye to his childhood. But it's okay, because Mike is with him and he's not going anywhere. Oh, by the way, Heroes is playing over the whole scene. In the final shot, Mike and Will drive past the 'Leaving Hawkins' sign toward a new life where they don't have to hide their true selves and where they can feel safe and happy, as they both deserve.
As time passes, I am becoming more convinced that, more than anything, the Duffers are cowards.
Almost every main character introduced in season 1 survived to the end of the show.
They have a habit of introducing characters and killing them in the same season (Bob, Eddie). The exception is Billy, who was more of an antagonist than a hero anyway.
They killed Hopper and Max and backtracked on both.
Max had no lasting consequences from being brutally attacked.
The only characters they killed in the finale were:
One of their only people of color, who is associated with one of their worst rated episodes, who they brought back at the very last minute and who was treated with suspicion and was framed as a bad influence more than an actual valued member of the team.
El, who they couldn't even fully commit to killing, choosing to introduce a possible way for her to have survived and leaving her fate up to interpretation.
Both of their love triangles ended with nobody getting together.
Jancy or Stancy? How about neither.
Byler or Mileven? How about neither.
The ships that make it to the end are literally the safest possible options.
Their one canon queer couple isn't shown in the epilogue and whether they are together is left up to interpretation.
They didn't have the balls to make Byler canon, but they also made Mike and Will's final interactions ambiguous enough that they can be... you guessed it, interpreted one way or another.
They gave Will, not even a real epilogue boyfriend, but a hypothetical one, and they couldn't even bother to let them kiss.
All that setup for Byler only to abandon it, literally dropping the painting plotline and the cyranno trope as though they never existed.
They literally took the safest possible option at every turn.
Kinda funny how, in an attempt not to upset anyone, they ended up upsetting EVERYONE!
The ballsiest move all season was having Joyce say fuck.
I don't like the idea of straight kids being told that it's okay to treat their friends terribly because they're in a relationship.
I don't like the idea of queer kids being told that the best they can hope for is self acceptance and moving away from everyone they care about and finding love somewhere else.
I don't like the idea of abused kids being told that the only way to end the cycle of abuse is suicide.
Byler headcanon #2
Will fell first, but Mike fell harder
(Well, more likely they both fell around the same time (the day they met) but Will figured it out first)
Once they're together, Mike is completely enraptured by Will. It gets to the point where the rest of the Party (mainly Max) has to sit him down and tell him to cut back on the PDA during D&D nights because it's excessive.
Mike gets mad, but agrees when Will calmly suggests that she's right.
This is going to sound weird, but I've been thinking about conformitygate from a scientific perspective.
There's a logical fallacy called 'argument from ignorance'. It basically involves saying that something is true because you can't prove it's false. I'm not saying this is an example of this, but I'm bringing it up so I can use a common example (this is actually a combination of several fallacies, but argument from ignorance is the main one).
If people see strange moving lights in the sky, they call it a UFO, and some people take it as evidence that aliens have visited us. But... by calling it a UFO, we've just said that it's UNIDENTIFIED. Therefore, we can't draw ANY definite conclusions about what it actually is. It could be aliens and there's no way to prove that it isn't. But it could just as easily be a drone or a weather balloon, or a dozen other things. See the problem?
I don't think believing in conformitygate is wrong or even baseless, but I think accepting it as the only possible explanation for the show's conclusion isn't logical.
Here's how I've been thinking about it:
There's a lot that's weird about vol 2 and the finale. That much is a fact. And conformitygate attempts to explain it all away by using some of the most UNexplainable things (the dial changing colors for example) as definitive proof. But there's no way to prove that conformitygate ISN'T true. By assuming that the Duffers and other people working on the show are IN on it, we're even able to dismiss them explicitly stating that there's no extra episode. This is how conspiracy theories work. There's always a way to say "well that's what they WOULD say if they were in on it".
Am I saying that conformitygate holds no water? No.
But I AM saying that there are other possible explanations.
Maybe Ross Duffer had a mental breakdown when his wife left and he dragged the plot of the show down with him.
Maybe Leigh Janiak WAS the mastermind behind Byler and took her good writing with her.
Maybe it really was the most elaborate queerbait in history and Byler really wasn't ever in the cards.
Maybe Netflix stepped in to stop the Duffers from following through on Byler.
Maybe the Duffers chickened out at the last minute.
Maybe the Duffers are greedy and chose to appeal to the general audience rather than risk alienating them.
Maybe the goal all along was for Byler to be ambiguous in the end
Or maybe this is all an elaborate plan involving a fakeout ending and a secret real finale.
Out of all these options, conformitygate is definitely the most compelling, but that doesn't make it the most plausible. The simple fact is that we don't know, and we may never know.
Am I telling you to stop believing conformitygate is possible? No. Am I telling you to stop speculating? Hell no! I love speculating and theorizing. It's what this community is built off of.
Think of it this way:
Each of the options I listed above are hypotheses. Any of them could be true, and maybe by gathering enough evidence we could prove or disprove some of them. But some can't be disproven. So... let's keep gathering evidence! Maybe conformitygate will hold up as a conspiracy involving a secret episode (and will be definitively proven when the episode releases), or maybe it won't and it'll just become an incredibly fascinating headcanon (which is how I personally view it). Either way, that process of gathering evidence is what this community thrives off of.
And a lot of people won't like this, but Byler as a concept started out the same way. It was conjecture. Over time, we gathered evidence, but there was never a point where it was 100% proven, despite how confident we were.
I guess, scientifically, you could almost classify Byler as a theory rather than a hypothesis. I'm gonna become Bill Nye for a minute here, but a theory differs from a hypothesis because it's verifyable and holds up under scrutiny. Theories are based on evidence that can be reproduced. You can make predictions using theories. That last part is why I'm hesitant to consider Byler a theory. We tried to predict where the show was going, but that obviously didn't work out (meaning there were variables we didn't account for - probably the Duffers' lack of balls).
The reason Byler was so strong was that no matter which way you approached it from, it held up. Common storytelling tropes, the characters' arcs, the cinematography, colors, blocking, music, actor statements, etc, ALL pointed toward Byler. Even now, when you scrutinize the show, even knowing the ending, all roads still lead to Byler.
Anyway, my point is that we shouldn't be treating conformitygate like the one true explanation for what happened with season 5. At least not the version of conformitygate that suggests that episode 9 is coming. Consider it an extremely entertaining possibility. Most importantly, don't get upset with people for not believing in it.
And even if conformitygate were to be definitively shut down, that shouldn't stop us from holding on to the concept.
It's not possible to travel faster than light, but we can still pretend it is. And by doing so, we can create amazing works of art in the form of media.
This is something fandom culture is built off of. Just because a ship isn't canon or even if it's explicitly shut down, we can still ship it. Because it's fun. The same is true for ideas like conformitygate.
I encourage people to continue to run with the idea of conformitygate, but to keep in mind that, like Byler, it may never be 100% confirmed to be true. Whether it's true or not isn't as important to me as the fanfic and fan art and the process of theorizing that will come from it.
AND, I personally think we should be putting just as much effort into those other possible explanations, particularly the ones where the Duffers are cowardly, greedy pieces of trash.
I've said this before and I sound like a broken record, but...
Can we please stop acting like not believing in conformitygate is somehow unreasonable?
There are people getting actually passive aggressive being like "oh, why are you guys freaking out about the chatgpt thing? It's obviously a red herring. God, where are your critical thinking skills?"
Yes, there's lots of evidence for conformitygate. But you can't deny that the idea of a secret final episode is hard to believe.
I personally am tired of people acting like the Duffers are these crazy masterminds and that we should be placing implicit faith in them. Like, no. They've betrayed our trust whether there's another episode or not. Stop treating people like they're being unreasonable for reacting with anger and disappointment.
You can continue to believe in conformitygate all you want. I personally love the theory. I just don't have any faith in the Duffers left, and I can't keep getting my hopes up for a final episode. It's time for me to move on. If you still have faith then more power to you. I'm not going to tell you to stop believing in it.
But we need to stop shaming people on either side of the issue. Believe it or don't believe it, but stop acting like either side is being stupid.
This cannot stay in the tags, I have to share this with the world. Can we please normalize this? I want to be the godfather of the 'anti carton' tag!
milkvan and now carton. Why does it always come back to dairy imagery?
Will and Carlton get together
One morning, Will, being the kind boyfriend he is, makes breakfast
It's scrambled eggs
Will sits down and pours syrup on his eggs
Carlton: Dude, that's gross
Will: Okay, you can leave now, please
Relationship ended
Carlton dead to us all
Will calls Mike to complain about it
I will not stop shitting on Carlton until the day I die