Good Ideas, Horrid Execution

Baxter 🐟 20 🐟 He/him 🐟 Hazbin Crit Blog (Might dip into other series)

[anglercrit]

Intro/Pinned

Hey! I'm Baxter (at least on here), and I've been part of the Hazbin Crit community for a while, even if I've never had a blog. Decided I'd finally take that step and make one though! While I'll probably mainly critique and potentially rewrite Hazbin and Helluva Boss, I might dip my toes into other media. Feel free to dm me!

(Also please note this is a sideblog so I'll follow back for my main which you'll have to DM me for)

#🐟 is the tag I use for my additions to posts/original posts

Here's the link to the Discord for my Zoophobia rewrite, Safe Haven Academy!

Check out the Safe Haven Academy community on Discord - hang out with 5 other members and enjoy free voice and text chat.

[floatzelites]

i think if Hazbin really wanted to play with the idea of 'Christian hypocrisy' and criticism of the religion in general, then they should've shown sinners who were like, prosperity preachers, grifting televangelists, those who used their faith to justify cruelty and bigotry, etc.

honestly i think Vox should've been a prosperity preacher and not a weatherman turned serial killer (but he could be a weather man turned prosperity preacher too); it would give him a great excuse to want to take over heaven too, as he'd feel like he was owed an afterlife of paradise because he 'believed in God and the Bible', and not even caring to stop and think that his actions were what truly denied him heaven

[anglercrit]

Vox being a televangelist seemed like it was the obvious setup with all the church imagery in his song in S1 and then just....no, fame obsessed serial killer weatherman. OK then.

[hellavacritic]

That bait and switch was actually diabolical.

We were excited to get a short diving into one of the relevant female background characters of the show, one we didn’t get a whole lot of depth and detail in except for her relationship to the male lead, and instead we get… that.

They know one of their most common critiques is how they treat female characters, and they do that bait and switch anyway in favor of the most blandest, irreverent and unliked male character in the show.

For the amount of screen time and relevance, he has gotten an insane amount of love from the merch and writing teams. Whether intentional or not, it reeks of misogyny to write like they have through this series. To constantly overlook or under develop women characters sometimes even in favor of the most irrelevant male characters.

For years now, some of the deserved criticism has been about women characters, but some more screen time in shorts doesn’t fix these issues. It is not a screen time issue alone either, it’s a writing one.

At this point, I can believe Vivienne and SpindleHorse are purposely ignoring critique and even going as far as making writing decisions to spite “the haters” even if it comes at the expense of the success of their show and angers fans who anticipated something else.

[vivziepopcriticalconfessions]

"The Morningstars confuse me. So, let me get this straight. Charlie says she and her dad have never been close, especially after he and her mom split up, and he wanted nothing to do with her. But when we see Lucifer, he wants something to do with Charlie? He has always wanted to be close with her, but he believed Charlie didn’t want anything to do with him? So have they been pulled apart by someone else? Idk if this is just me being too dumb to understand this, but it reads like Viv wanted them to be absent from each other, but also didn’t want to make Lucifer a total jerk for that. All I hope is that she doesn’t make it all Lilith’s fault."

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[fizzyrodeo-critical-acc]

I keep coming back to this post. It annoys me because it has so many likes but OP's confession IS them misunderstanding something that is (for once) outlined for us in the show.

None of the information presented here cancels out itself. All of this stuff is simultaneously true. Charlie and Lucifer were not close post-split. Lucifer wanted to be there for Charlie but believed she didn't want anything to do with him, so he wasn't there for her. They were pulled apart by Lilith's interference, the show EXPLICITLY shows us this. Lucifer and Charlie have a canonically estranged relationship that we got a whole episode of focus on in the first season.

Something else I don't understand is why some people want Lucifer to be a bad dad so bad? He has enough flaws to where one can say he isn't perfect, his criticisms are clearly outlined in the show, why are people so desperate to believe Lucifer was originally supposed to be presented as a cruel, unloving jerk who just didn't care about Charlie?

On the topic of Lucifer, I always found the subversion of expectations with him interesting (though I DO wish Vivienne didn't have to nerf his abilities for the sake of the plot) and feel the show would arguably work even less if he didn't like Charlie. If he didn't have the personality and limitations he did, the show wouldn't even be able to progress the way it currently does. He'd have shut it all down in the first season.

I got off topic... the point I'm trying to make is it annoys me how some people will just run with points of criticism because they don't like Vivienne without looking to see if the criticism makes sense or not.

[anglercrit]

IMO it's mainly because the pilot set up a very different relationship between Charlie and lucifer. He's portrayed as a looming threat in the intro sequence, when Charlie calls Lilith about the hotel failing she says "dad was right", but he also gives her advice on standing up for herself.

I personally don't want Lucifer to be outright abusive and I'm definitely down for a more morally grey or outright not evil take on him - it just feels like there were all these threads set up for Lucifer and Charlie to have a more complicated relationship in the pilot and then it's kinda glossed over in exchange for making him yet another one of Viv's "Sad Boy Dad" characters like Stolas. Like, imagine if Lucifer was unsure about the hotel not because he hates Charlie, but he doesn't believe sinners can redeem themselves and he doesn't want to see her heartbroken after realizing how awful humans are the way he learned.

That's just my take though. Feel free to disagree

[vivziepopcriticalconfessions]

"just noticed that on some of the merch they aren't doing the crossed out o thing on blitz's name anymore??? just putting his deadname on the merch omg"

Submitted by @rainbowlimenade

[anglercrit]

The shows always been super inconsistent w how his name is written - it seems like they can't make up their minds on if its Blitzo, blitzø or just blitz

[granitegrumbles]

A strange pattern in Vivziepop’s works are sentiments made by her critics are said by antagonists or mocked figures. Most recently is this drawing in the eighth short, but it has a frequent history.

Andrealphus brings up Stolas cheating on Stella as a reason as to why she deserves compensation in the divorce. Stolas refutes that because he and Stella were never in love it doesn’t count as a betrayal. The client in Sinsmas says that her husband cheated on her. Blitz says that cheating isn't a big deal and the resolution of this plotline is tossing her out a window.

Striker brings up how Stolas treats Blitz like a plaything and that not everyone was raised in luxury. The show reframes him as a homophobic supremacist (not what that word means) who is upset that Blitz and Fizz are in relationships with royals because he’s bigoted against them.

In S2E7, Fizzaroli’s stalker is a jilted fan who believes that they could help “fix” his act, portrayed as an acne-ridden slob who drives poor sympathetic Fizz to tears.

When Adam is fighting Alastor, one of his lines when getting attacked by Alastor’s minions is “too much red”. Velvette reprises this statement, calling the hotel tacky and bringing up, once again, too much red.

Katie Killjoy and the rest of Voxtech criticize Charlie for “enforcing her puritanical beliefs” and “only protecting her favorite characters”, things I have seen multiple people bring up when discussing the first season.

This entire thing, to be honest, reeks of insecurity and bad faith. A lot of people who make criticism of her shows do it out of the hope that she’ll improve or to point out flawed messaging of some of her writing. Instead of listen to genuine advice like “Write your female characters as something other than evil bitches who need to be destroyed by the main character or bland, supportive props there to help the male characters” or “Alastor’s writing as a serial killer cannibal who practices voodoo is racist, actually”, she just frames her critiques as bigoted haters who just don’t want to see an LGBTQ show do well.

[critical-bug]

😬....

[anglercrit]

Look even if the joke is just supposed to be "haha funny word/alliteration/sex joke", could you like...not have delayed this a month or two? Obviously the irl problem isnt just gonna vanish but you could've at least waited until it's not THE hot button topic on people's minds. Plenty of cartoons have had episodes delayed or cancelled due to IRL events, it wouldn't be that crazy.

[vivziepopcriticalconfessions]

"A lot of people comment that they like more the background characters' designs that the main cast's, which is something I partially agree. However, there are exceptions. Come just look like generic pop culture demons or have fish creature motifs with sharp teeth. Season 2 became better in this, until they made guitar, cello and mere objects people like muppet socks. What did that person do to become a muppet sock? Come on!"

Submitted by @timerflon

[anglercrit]

Honestly I don't mind a demon design being "generic" if it's done well- it's why I think Verosika is one of Viv's better designs despite her not being super unique conceptually.

Also, I like the weird object demons that aren't just objectheads! If we're going with the idea that a sinner's form represents how they acted in life/their sins, then yea, I wanna know about the feather duster or the paintbrush and yes, the sock puppet sinners! Plus honestly, I feel like if everyone was an animal things would get old fast or at least feel stale- it's why a lotta Alastor redesigns lean into the radio aspect more than the deer one.

Screw it, I'll use this post to share some of my fav object sinner designs

(Yes drinky bird guy is also kind of an animal but im so charmed by him come on)

[mrmillipede]

[cdsillyposting]

[sapphic-agent]

The difference in wording here is so small but so important. Because it's a real examination of why Charlie's character (as well as the show's lesson) is failing now in the show.

Not everyone can be redeemed. Anyone can try to atone, but there are things that people have done that they can't make up for. But the point of Charlie's dream (or what should be the point) is that everybody should be given the chance and the resources to try and be better.

It's a way more realistic and mature outlook on what she's trying to accomplish. Even though Pilot Charlie is naive, this shows that she has genuinely put thought and effort into her goals. Show Charlie feels like she's never considered the implications and is continuously caught off guard by how awful her people are because of it.

There's also the hope vs belief aspect of it. Pilot Charlie is optimistic and willing to do the work even with the risk that it won't work. Show Charlie is so rooted in her beliefs that she's never logically considered the alternative

[notavivziepopasskisser]

directed at the people that wish horrible horrible things on fans and the creator, can yall just be normal ffs??

I don’t like vivzie either but holy shit wishing harm and disgusting things on the fandom and the creator is just as bad as them. You’re stooping down to their pathetic level

BE NORMAL IT IS NOT THAT HARD!!! it is not difficult to just NOT post about wishing horrible evil awful things on vivzie and her fandom 💀

this will also serve as a DNI for me. If you post about and wish harm upon Vivzie and the people that watch her shows OR JUST TO PEOPLE IN GENERAL, block me. Don’t chat to me, stay far away

I go through these tags to see people’s perspectives and thoughts, not death threats to vivzie stan #103857429

EDIT: I cannot believe I have to specify this, ITS NOT OKAY FOR VIVZIE OR HER FANDOM TO DO IT EITHER. I am not defending her or her crazy ass fandom, I am saying it is just as bad to do the same shit they’re doing to critics and antis back to them. It’s like passing the baton back and forth of hate and violence stop passing that baton 💀

I am literally just saying I’m sick and tired of seeing people in these tags do the same shit we say Vivzie’s fandom does to us.

[critical-bug]

I'm making a sprite edit of Mimzy and it's so fucking easy to fix some of these designs I'm not kidding. New colors, new hairstyle, new species approach. And I haven't fundamentally changed her.

Inspo/Ideas/Minor rewrite:

The term "Gold Chick"

The ugly duckling

Started as a flapper dancer, later became a movie star

Was attacked/shot on New Years Eve around 11:23PM. Died at 12:01AM 1941 [was born February 22nd, 1906]

More greed aspects, Pride is secondary (so less red on her)

Almost became an overlord but was toppled by a more "attractive" star and made laughing stock because "hurr durr fat woman had confidence and ambitions how could she, doesn't she know how ugly she is?" Despite her manipulation and sweet talking skills among her "charm".

Still besties with Alastor

Died of a shooting she was involved with (you can't expect to be famous by talent alone, hm? maybe some connections that... had some consequences. that's why she is well-liked by the (sinner) loan sharks and minor gangs and still carries a certain minor fame. even though she would prefer people know her for her performances and not... her unfortunate buisness. It's as if Husk is only known for his alcohol abuse and not for his cheating/gambling/magician skills. [I'd like imagine he uses his magician skills to distract people when he fucks up, cheats or needs to buy time.]

Has actually met Mammon once, he's chill with her (I mean she almost became the overlord of greed, that's something to gawk at for 3 minutes). Uses that as a great (hm, well..) marketing strategy towards herself

- is immensly confused and pissed by the fact that her body (type) was considered desirable at her living period and a disgrace, nowadays

-tries to establish a plus-size/chubby/fat positive clothing and entertainment industry in the modern era. Velvette is sadly out-ranking her as an overlord. (Imagine Velvette heing edblr/edtwt in Hell and being immensly popular among overlords. It's impossible to exist as a fat sinner without hateful comments being made. [for now 😈.]

- will NEVER lose her pride despite hateful standards and comments & culture.

- my OC is her assistant because i love her

- Her songs are: Nymphology/All Eyes On Me/I Will Survive

- She is German and English.

[toestychonk]

In the spirit of the holidays, I challenge you guys as well as myself to say one nice thing about the hellaverse.

I'll go first to break the ice.

Seeing not just non toxic fans, but the crew just pour their all into this show does feel warm when you don't think about the writing and community attitudes. Many people hold these characters so close to their hearts in the same way I do with my favorite things and that's beautiful.

Even if there is distain for nasty behaviors in the hellaverse, I hope the fandom, crew, and even Viv herself have a nice holiday in these times.

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yeah... no I'm not gonna do that. happy holidays tho!

happy holidays to you too!

Voting ended onDec 30, 2025

Happy holidays, everybody. Fans and critics alike!

[bazhens]

im just gonna do hazbin lol. hazbin hotel has great story concepts. and is very true to form of 'deviantart ocs come to life onscreen". there is something great about these characters, this story. it has a magnetic pull. and no matter the... execution of concepts or characters, it is a fun time. a fun show to watch. especially with friends while playing a drinking game lol.

[anglercrit]

same here. I actually do genuinely like some of Viv's concepts- I think the idea of the seven deadly sins being inspired by a circus troupe is really neat.

[curi0uscreature]

* HAPPY HOTEL : RESIDENTS AND WORKERS ( Alastor too, I guess ) *

Viola’s and Charlie’s relationship here is a bit skewed. Yes they’re sweet, but their flaws on each side is more apparent. Viola has a tendency to see Charlie as a “savior” due to her being the one that took care of her when she first fell akin to her canon counterpart, but it’s more so in a almost godlike manner in her mind given her past. That view ends up giving her the perception of seeing Charlie as her own “God” or perfect being. Charlie feels genuine love for Viola, but being raised in literal hell and her parents not exactly being the best example—she doesn’t have a good idea of how love works. As a result she showers her in affection and prays that Vio doesn’t think she doesn’t mean it.

Re : Angels have a specific / special halo or different amount of halos based on their rank.

( ^ ) The Executionist Angels are Throne Angels. They are their halos and their main body is made out of light, making their heads the only weak point they have. ( They also know / knew demons didn’t know this, which is why their armor is mostly cloth) Viola’s halo was damaged before she was tossed into Hell.

Re : Viola is trans! All Angels are genderless ( masc or fem presenting ) and she fully identified as a woman a while after the fall.

Angel’s tendency to use the Hotel as a form of home is more obvious. Despite his figure, he binges there very often but has to purge in order to keep appearances up.

Unsurprisingly, how Angel acts in the streets compared to his Porno persona is very different—however it is drastic and jarring. Off air or set she is not opposed to throwing a bottle at somebody if she’s feeling off about them.

Angel and Husk have a mentor and mentee relationship. ( Sorry Huskerdust truthers but the show cannot be normal about their age gap. I’m taking the obvious route ) With Husk trying his best to let Angel know he isn’t alone, but knows he can only do so much. Angel has it worse than him by a longshot.

The reasoning ( to the public ) about why Al is at the Hotel is still a mystery—but the reasoning stands that is all for his entertainment. He made Husk work for it completely on a whim. Even then, he has his tricks—like making Charlie feed into her worser traits. But he does things purely to see what will happen. A lot of things are a game to him.

While he has a radio head, unlike Vox—Al didn’t die due to any head trauma. His death is unknown and remained unexplained in the living world. His form is more symbolic, as he had admirations relating to radio.

Alastor is actually on the shorter side, with Angel being the tallest in the Hotel.

[maybelifedoesntsuck]

I finally forced myself to watch the last two eps of Hazbin 🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️ and you know what really pisses me off above everything else?

So while everyone else is fighting the Vees or trying to stop the big angel cannon, Charlie and Emily are helping "resuce" sinners from the rubble

But, WHY ISNT SHE GOING INTO SUPER POWER DEMON MODE?????

She's like reaching for people and like running around but??? SHE HAS SUPER POWERS????

Charlie is literally the strongest out of everyone in the fight, and we know she'd rather not fight and she's not the best fighter anyway, but why isn't she using her ANGELIC SUPERPOWERS TO BE MORE EFFECTIVE????

I HATE how Charlie gets pushed to the side while all the other characters get to use their powers to help in the fight. She could be using her firework powers to blast rubble out of the sky to save sinners, she has a trident she can use a crowbar or something, she has a whole ass DRAGON she can fly around on. WHY WASNT CHARLIE ALLOWED TO DO ANYTHING COOL THIS SEASON?????

Her character was already massacred when the writers mistook her well-meaning naivety for stupidity, but she wasn't even allowed to do anything cool in the big boss fight of the season.

Why do they INSIST that Charlie’s the main character when it's so painfully obvious that the writers (Vivziepop) rather focus on the assortment of tumblr sexyman OCs instead?

[dnpanimationstudiopaigeb]

Meet Abel🪈🪽

Decided to make Adam’s son(which mine def loves), and new leader of the Exorcists, Abel!

Wanted to make his outfit differentiate from his dad’s more, to show their differing personalities and interests. But both def enjoy rock/music🎸🥁 He’d be playing the drums with him 🥁

Gave him a weapon. He still needs one for defense. I made it a mix of a shepherds cane/crook and a flute 🪈. A popular instrument in marching bands, and has been used by shepherds to call in their sheep. I imagine he uses it like a staff weapon and how RWBY Flynt Coal uses his music powers 🎼 🎶

Made his hair longer and more curly. Added some gold brown streaks too. Partially to go with a sheep/ram motif 🐑🐏

Had his halo more straight and around his hat to mimic the A line!

Instead of a helmet, I attached his horns unto his hat and added in gold visors. Give off a less intimidating and more open aura. Wanted to shape his horns like a Ram’s 🐏 known to symbolize leadership!

Kept his body type. There's been headcanons that Adam mightve overfed him because of alot of hunger stress they dealt with back alive on earth 🌏 I really like that idea.

Freckles!!!!

Def has a thing for Sheep like Lucifer with ducks 🦆🐑

Gave his wings a gold gradient like his dad’s but lighter and rounder feathers 🪶.

In terms of potential bird motifs, I think the dove would fit him best or some type of songbird 🕊️ 🎼

Also made his darker skin like his dad. Made him a bit darker.

Centered his colors around periwinkle. To connect with his dad's purple but give off lighter/calmer energy. Plus @lovesart23 in her vid on Abel, suggested Abel & Cain could be blue & red/opposites while their dad wears purple(made of those two colors) and I was already considering making him lavender so I decided to go for bluish purple 💙💜

Gave him peircings. Just simple round studs.

Fingerless gloves. Also has gold nails 💅

Gave him pants instead of a robe and showed his boots.

Added alot of round shapes to show his softer personality and allude to holes. Like in a flute 🪈

I imagine before taking over as the leader of the exorcists in his dad’s place(mainly because Lute isn’t in her best state to be leading after what happened). He was the Exoricist’s Military Band Performer and his dad’s secretary. He never let Abel be involved in the Exterminations…..he would(is) NOT HAPPY about the news.

Takes alot after his mom 💖….Cain takes more from their old man💔

I’ve also done a redesign on his Lt Lute ⚔️ things are def still a lil complicated between them. I imagine tho she has more respect for him compared to OG….Adam made her promise to keep him safe…and to him to look out for her….and keep her from becoming a new threat to everyone. Abel-He always talked about how INTENSE she was….I kinda thought he just meant in terms of music…

What do you think? How would you imagine Abel to look like if you wanted to redesign him? I’d love to know💖