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Apparently non-divinekin keep trying to put all angels under the "religious" label and I'M NOT HAVING THAT! I guess anything with wings is now part organized religion which is silly to think about. Please explain how, I, a human-turned-nonhuman via anomaly is religious just because I grew a wing.

lament-of-sacrifice

Apparently this needs to be said but...

I am not obligated to respond to people that do not listen to me.

I am not obligated to allow people who irritate me to continue to responding to me when all they do is try to pick an argument instead of listening to criticism I provide.

I am not obligated to allow people I dislike to see my posts.

This is a small, personal blog. I can (and do) block whoever I want.

And I can continue to be critical. Just because I criticize your posts, when you're clearly still seeing them via some level of loophole like a friend screenshotting them for you or people telling you about them, does not mean I am pointing out everything in bad faith.

You're the one who bullied someone and I can (and will) be critical about that.

Also, I pointed that you DID uphold Cultural Christianity within the MOGAI community by NOT allowing them to be separated WHATSOEVER from religion. Yes, you're Jewish. That does not mean you don't have biases, and that does not mean you cannot uphold Cultural Christianity by insisting that angels have to be religious IN SOME WAY. Your following will uphold the idea that most angels are Christian and will point this out to angelkin that are not religious and they will try to make a point that most angels must be religious (and therefore Christian) because of your bias. This is what I mean by you upholding Cultural Christianity. Just because it has an impact on you and you criticize it does not mean that you cannot also uphold it. Think similar to Transgender Transmeds. They're affected by a cisgendered society, and yet they still uphold it, despite the fact they can be critical of it. (And no, I am not saying you're a transmed, but rather it is a similar example I can think of.)

This discourse has happened TWICE with you. TWICE. And the first time you refused to listen.

I brought up other deitykin and even vampires to make the point that you don't consider them to be tied to religion, despite their origins, judging by your tagging system, and instead you DOUBLED DOWN and yelled at me that you would go back and basically tag EVERYTHING as religion themed. Pointing out flaws in your argument to uphold angels = religion does not mean I am shoving words in your mouth (which is funny, considering everything you accused me of, you did to me).

And when Hathor and I pointed out "please do not speak over divinekin," its because we're already a target from anti-kin, typically moreso than regular otherkin. We are stereotyped rather horribly and are very often bullied out of even otherkin and nonhuman spaces for "going too far". You can be a minority and still speak over other minorities. We already get shunned within our own community and I sure as hell am NOT going to tolerate a religious angelkin trying to speak over the experiences of non-religious divinekin. We deserve to have just as much of a voice as you, and all you do is try to argue that our experience does not matter because being an angel is inherently tied to religion in your opinion. We are already forgotten and shunned within our own community and I'm not going to tolerate it. My existence as a non-religious angelkin in the nonhuman community is very similar to that of my intersex experience in the LIOMOGAI community. Erased and, maybe, half heard at best. (And again, this is my personal experience. Others may have a different experience and that's perfectly fine.)

I'm, frankly, rather glad you're finally listening, but that does not mean I have to tolerate you whatsoever. This is MY PERSONAL BLOG. I don't coin, I don't archive, I don't have a huge following, I don't even post that often. Saying that I am arguing in bad faith for not tolerating immature responses is you continuing to try and paint those you disagree with as less important than your own opinion, and I do NOT have to platform that.

Also to point out the bullying: You were rude and then reblogged something that literally mocked the situation with a "Joke Coining" (meant to undermine non-religious divinekin) when Doll simply reblogged a post that Doll had, basically, already made for dollself (as dolls post is shorter but similar to mine). I am willing to bet the only reason you didn't continue to make fun of Doll and bully doll was because Hathor and I intervened.

And yes, I think you're doing things in bad faith because all you want to do is defend yourself instead of take criticism. (Do not come at me with NPD, I have it too. Learn to take criticism, no matter how much it hurts.) I'm also still not a fan of the DARVO you pulled on me and continue trying to pull by complaining people are being mean to you for standing up for themselves.

Just because I am an angel and a god does not mean I have to tolerate being mistreated.

anomaly-angel

Radio said I was an "uninvolved" party in this mess... I have said twice once in an anon to Doll before I made this blog and the first time I reblogged the FRANKLY disrespectful "term" to say I was the angel that REQUESTED the angel numbers 111-999 (000 was Doll's own idea fyi). Radio are you just going to keep ignoring this?? Do you know how much it hurts to see a coiner get harassed by YOUR OWN REQUEST!? The fact I didn't even scream at you is merciful. Also good job taking my "If a discussion does not call for it then do not bring religion into it" as me being anti-jew. Remember this whole thing started because you tagged something that wasn't explicitly religion as religious. To me that is centering religion where it is not needed.

This is a clown show I shall only give my best efforts when it stops hosting monkeys.

lobotomized--doll

someone's trauma DOES trump yours in the context of THEIR blog, THEIR resource, THEIR time and effort.

Stop disrespecting RM's wishes. It has asked you to stop fighting for it. Quit being parasocial.

RM does not have to have my terms on its blog. It is not forced to reblog things that trigger it. I am not forcing it to put my terms on its blog. Your argument is invalid.

You're not going to garner RM's favor by disrespecting its wishes.

anomaly-angel

Anon do you hear yourself? Does Doll's time and effort to coin a term means so little when RM just reblogging and tagging something? If we are going to compare resources and effort then Dolls wishes should had been more respected than you are claiming. ALSO this is how the community will lose coiners and well Radio can't run a blog when that happens now can it? Come back down to Earth, remember to not hit the Moon on the way down anon.

I guess I don't need to use this blog anymore, but I will keep it up to make sure what I said isn't lost. It's also not too bad to have an @ for Doll to know me. I got TOOL songs to listen to now.

lament-of-sacrifice

I blocked you because you were the one screaming at me and taking anything that was said as more than an attack rather than a criticism.

I brought up the USA too. I brought it up for the age of both nations. Most of the religions you exclude via your own definition of religion are older than both of those nations and many more. They were the easiest for me to bring up in regards to nations with religions that fall under your definition of religion, as it was brought up in that post.

I also brought up the Star of David as a religious symbol within my example (amongst many more things). So it would make sense that, of course, Israel happened to be on my mind, especially considering it's very easy to know approximately when the country came about.

I said nothing of your Jewish faith or how long the Jewish Faith specifically has been around, as I know it's far older than the nation of Israel.

It's rather rude to think I am arguing in bad faith simply because I brought something up as a comparison for age. Especially considering you cannot argue in good faith and prefer to scream at anyone who disagrees with you.

It's coincidence because it was on my mind for age comparison. Thank you for accusing me of being antisemitic for simply criticizing you, though.

lament-of-sacrifice

This will probably be the last I address this, but here.

I can explain this and I'll even use how someone pointed out DARVO in this.

You keep crying and whining about words being shoved in your mouth or how people are ignoring your arguments for convenience... After you had already done the same to me by misrepresenting what I said.

You DENIED what you did to Doll and I, ATTACKED me for it, and you REVERSED VICTIM and OFFENDER (making yourself the victim by making me out to be the bully) by making your posts.

You are a BIG ARCHIVIST within this community. Your responses to Doll were BULLYING. Doll simply asked for a tag to be removed. That was all. That was it. A tag to be removed. Because it triggered Doll. And yet, you pulled "Angel numbers are a trigger for me and I'm being nice by archiving them and not letting my bias get in the way."

Your response could have been a simple "Yes, I'll remove the tags." or a "No, I will not remove the tags."

You posting your PERSONAL OPINIONS on an archive blog that is relatively popular means that there are parasocial people that will attack people for you, whether you like it or not, and you need to have that level of awareness. Your emotion charged response being cruel to doll is what caused people to act on your behalf. You need to have some awareness of your audience/followers.

When you were criticized by two angel who are not religious, you felt attacked and all you did was scream at us to justify what you did. YOU were the one that was not open to civil discussion because all you did was come in with attacks and screams trying to justify why you felt it correct to disrespect a coiner's wishes.

I repeated this line to you for a reason:

Your individual experience does not overwrite the entire concept of angels

You said this to Doll and yet, when others criticized you, well suddenly your angelkin alter is the ONE that is correct and the only one that can be trusted as a source of knowledge on Angelkin.

You can have your own triggers. But to disrespect someone's wishes because YOU PERSONALLY DISAGREE WITH THEM is irresponsible.

As a RAMCOA survivor myself, I am willing to bet that Doll trauma dumped on you (after you had mentioned angel numbers were a trigger for you) in hopes that you would understand that you triggered doll. But instead, you're weaponizing doll's trigger for your own means. It is genuinely NOT that hard to be respectful of one's wishes, even if you personally disagree with them.

anomaly-angel

Does ignoring me entirely count? I guess being respectful to me doesn't mean shit when I was the one to ask Doll to coin the terms. I feel freaking frustrated that my request put some stress on Doll at all because someone thought they knew more than the coiner. They should be apologizing to Doll and me by starting this crap.

They blocked me before I can send this so I'll do it here!

HMMMMM. I think just refusing to respect a coiner's wish is enough to label it as bullying. Remember you are a pretty big archive blog you should keep that in mind when dealing with a coiner's request for anything regarding their terms on your page. How is this not computing for you?

lament-of-sacrifice

I blocked you because you were the one screaming at me and taking anything that was said as more than an attack rather than a criticism.

I brought up the USA too. I brought it up for the age of both nations. Most of the religions you exclude via your own definition of religion are older than both of those nations and many more. They were the easiest for me to bring up in regards to nations with religions that fall under your definition of religion, as it was brought up in that post.

I also brought up the Star of David as a religious symbol within my example (amongst many more things). So it would make sense that, of course, Israel happened to be on my mind, especially considering it's very easy to know approximately when the country came about.

I said nothing of your Jewish faith or how long the Jewish Faith specifically has been around, as I know it's far older than the nation of Israel.

It's rather rude to think I am arguing in bad faith simply because I brought something up as a comparison for age. Especially considering you cannot argue in good faith and prefer to scream at anyone who disagrees with you.

It's coincidence because it was on my mind for age comparison. Thank you for accusing me of being antisemitic for simply criticizing you, though.

anomaly-angel

They are the ones that brought in antisemitism in the discussion they better leave that alone. I care about the fact they are erasing non-religious angels. Not the fact they happened to be a Jewish person. Petrichor, stop ignoring the points we are making just becuse it doesn't fit your world view that angels can only exist in a religion context.

fwutcher

a seven horizontally striped flag, the center stripe is much thicker than the rest, the stripes are dark red, red, very light yellow, white, very light yellow, yellow, dark yellow. on the center of the flag, there is a symbol of white clasped hands with a yellow cross above it, and two doves carrying olive branches with halos above their heads on each side.

holyangelcrossnunven: a gender that is not christian. a gender completely separate from christianity. a completely secular gender.

anyway the yellow is for being holy and the white is for purity and heaven and the red is for the blood of christ ^_^ lalalala

black entirely capitalized text with a white outline that reads, this is a joke and critique on the cultural christianity within the mogai community.

you can use it unironically if you'd like, but do know i made this ironically.

anomaly-angel

Greeting, Petrichor, I find it distasteful that you are reblogging this after disrespecting a coiner to not tag an angel based gender as religious. If your wondering who I am: I'm the one who even asked to have the angelnumbers terms coined. I am a fictive with zero ties to organized religion despite the fact I have an angel wing. Due to the fact I'm a human-turned-nonhuman via anomaly in my source. You criticize Cultural Christianity in the community but enforce it so much when it comes to angels. You’re not even Divinekin, why are you talking over us? I recommend to start soul searching into the reason why you keep having this bias. Maybe y'all didn't get rid of all the stuff y'all picked up from Christainity.

transoccuine

I'M NOT TELLING YOU YOUR PERSONAL DIVINEKIN IDENTITY HAS TO BE RELIGIOUS ON A PERSONAL IDENTIFICATION LEVEL I AM TALKING ABOUT ANGELS ON A BROADER LEVEL. AS A BROADER CONCEPT. WE HAVE SAID THIS SO MANY TIMES. I AM A JEW WHO IS TIRED OF CULTURAL CHRISTIANITY AM I NOT ALLOWED TO COMPLAIN ABOUT IT? ABOUT THE CULTURAL CHRISTIANITY CONSTANTLY TELLING ME THAT CHRISTIANITY IS THE DEFAULT AND THAT I CANNOT BE HERE WITHOUT BEING OTHER?

anomaly-angel

First, drop the caps it makes you look immature. Second, If your so tired of making everything about Christainity then why do you keep linking Angelkins to religions that's just poor taste. You did this when you decide to butt into a discussion that should had been answered by the divinekin community only, but, I guess you just had to stick your nose where it didn't belong. Third, If you want to be angry about the Cultural Christianity thing then stop making it the fault of others. Be the change you want to see by NOT centering religion when its not needed. This thing you reblogged is somthing I would see out of r/cringe subbreddits. Have you no respect for yourself?

transoccuine

Okay. I apologise for using the caps. I apologise for exploding. That was wrong of me. I should have stepped away when I saw the initial reblogs and calmed myself before responding, and I am sorry that I did not.

Not all religion is Christianity. A lot of my frustration at cultural Christianity comes from being someone who is religious, has angels as part of my religion, and is not Christian. I am Jewish.

The alter who speaks on this the most is angelkin herself. I am not personally divinekin, I am just who is fronting right now. We cannot always voluntarily switch. Divinekin do not exist in a vacuum separated from everything that is not divinekin.

Please address my points about not all religion being organised religion, about how I am talking about angels as a broad concept related to religion as a broad concept, and how I am not telling people that their personal divinekin identity has to be experienced in a personally religious manner. What I am saying is that angels as a broad concept cannot be separated from religion as a broad concept. I am not saying that angels cannot be separated from Christianity specifically. I am not saying that angels cannot be separated from organised religion specifically.

I am angry as well because this conversation is happening on Shabbat. I consider it disrespectful of my own religion for that to be done.

I repeatedly told people to stop sending lobotomized--doll asks. It is unfair to insist that it is my fault that people are sending doll asks when I berated people for doing so, and sent doll an ask myself checking in on doll.

I did not ever tell doll to tell me dolls trauma. I did not *want* doll to traumadump to me and I am glad doll deleted it. Why is it okay for doll to reblog a long post about non-religious angels but it's not okay for me to reblog a post expressing frustration at an environment that begets antisemitism, on my main blog as well which is separate?

Please listen to the words I am actually saying. I am very frustrated because I feel like the things I am saying are being ignored when they are inconvenient. I feel like I am being punished for something I did not say nor do.

anomaly-angel

And yet, you do not even listen to me. Looks like no one is going to be satisfied tonight. You said your mad about angles being attributed to Christian faith but you had done this many times yourself when talking about the MOGAI community using angel symblism. Projection much? Good for your angelkin headmate for loving to be connected to religion guess what? Respect the angels that don't. It is that simple. I have already said so myself why you can't label all of angels under religion or you just going to ignore the fictional angel-like designs again? Funny how you bring up Doll's trauma here when I have not bought it up myself. Your just outing yourself for pushing Doll. You SHOULD had not come to it's inbox right after you just refuse to listen to Doll before it had to make you remove the angel number genders. Also no one said anything about antisemitism once again you are placing words no one has said in this discussion.

lament-of-sacrifice

It is very funny to me how it will cry about being the victim in this scenario and bring up the fact that Doll had traumadumped on it when doll had, very clearly, made the fact doll felt disrespected in the anons doll sent alone. So to (seemingly) do damage control, Petrichor sent an ask.

Why is it bringing up Doll's trauma when that wasn't even spoken of?

Also, I pointed out religions that were not Christian in my post that you conveniently decided to ignore and only brought up the fictional angels. Hathor is right, you are doing nothing but projecting onto other people.

Also, your definition of religion is... Very odd. I'll go ahead and address this here

"Religion, as I understand it, is a series of beliefs about the nature of life, death, and the universe, typically involving beliefs which concern or reference the metaphysical, supernatural, and/or spiritual. Please tell me how you define religion so we may better communicate."

Religion, as I view it, does not necessarily have to be organized, but has to follow at least two of these:

Have rules and tenants that must be (or prefer to be) followed. (10 Commandments for example)

Some book or books that have religious text (the Bible for example, or the Book of The Dead)

Have morals tied to your belief system ("[thing] is good, [other thing] is bad" teachings)

A building of worship (Churches and such)

Rituals of any variety (the act of Eucharist in Christianity, washing one's self after dealing with "impure" (also known as Kegare iirc) things in Shinto, etc)

Prophecies regarding one's "divine" religion

Worship of a higher figure or supernatural being within the religion (optional, as not every religion does this)

Sacred symbols (such as the Star of David, Pentagram, The Cross, The Eye of Ra, etc) (This is slightly more optional, but preferred)

Most Divinity do NOT have any of these tied to them.

Also your definition actually does leave out quite a few religions. Taoism, Confucianism/Ruism, Shinto, and quite a few more. Asian culture also has "religious" practicies of talking to and making offerings to their ancestors (as do other cultures, such as Mexico, and to a similar extent in the Haitian Vodou religion). Unitarian Universalist are excluded.

"Beings respect Jewish beings" and yet you exclude many Asian religions with your own definition of religion, which have been religions far longer than Israel has been a country, far longer than America has been a country too. Criticism does not equal Antisemitism.

Funnily, though, they do fall under my list, however.

Also, I find it very funny that you conveniently forget zombies, mermaids, sirens, jackalopes, cryptids, many more things, per YOUR definition, are religious too. Becuase they're supernatural or stem from religions that are """gone""" (not exactly "gone", but are not what they once were, and I speak as a Kemetic Pagan).

#Wonderful debunking #I just couldn't engage with the full response due to them just ignoring my first reblog