Did not expect to so viscerally negatively respond to such a nice piece of art but-
wdym that’s all you have.
You have friends that you appear to neglect
(Gangle has made no effort to reconnect directly with Ragatha or lay out her problems with her, Zooble has talked one-on-one to ……. basically none of the cast except to argue with Jax?)
You had a funny guy who made an adventure jointly with you and filled a dull day’s workplace with wacky hijinks that hit a sweet spot between his chaotic artist vision and your more down-to-earth needs.
You had a god who showed signs of being able to compromise with you- and you couldn’t come up with any further compromise than demanding he rearrange the WHOLE circus dynamic for you.
You had an entire universe laid at your feet for one brief moment- and you couldn’t figure out how to stop bickering with him long enough to prevent his death.
GAHHHHH YES guys WHY are you not bonding with ANY of the other cast, why does the writing leave this so barren, how did we manage to have an amatonormative narrative when they’re NOT EVEN IN AN ALLOROMANTIC RELATIONSHIP
I wish amatonormativity were a person so I could stab them
Listen. I respect Gooseworx. I love her shit. But.
She claims this show is about “relationships between the characters” and there’s “no romance” but we saw NO resolution with Ragatha and Pomni, with Gangle and Jax, and she ULTRA focuses on Pomni&Jax merch and teasing Abstragedy in Tweets.
You came SO close to averting fandom ship wars and yet I can’t figure out if your brain is basically generating romance while thinking “oh if they don’t SPECIFICALLY declare it so and go on candlelit dinners and kiss it isn’t romance”
Like I don’t know who you think you’re fooling.
Like are you grayromantic and haven’t realized it yet?? Or what?
lowkey im all for abolishing societal amatonormaty but this is my ship art tagged abstragedy
Give me a second I’m trying to fight down my sarcastic impulses /gen
“You’re all I have” is an amatonormative phrase.
You say that like people can’t use hyperbolic language to express any number of bad societal ideas.
Somebody could over-exaggerate a racist or sexist joke and not really “mean” it, as well.
I 100% believe you don’t LITERALLY buy into the notion- gonna take that on good faith- it doesn’t make it not amatonormative.
did you deadass just compare someone posting ship art on the internet to racism.
normative thinking has to be undone whether it’s heteronormative, able-normative, perisex normative
normative thinking is a problem.
Because you don’t think it’s “as BIG a problem” as racism or sexism doesn’t mean you don’t need to do the work to un-internalize it.
ooooo this post exploded lol
*grabs popcorn
“You had a god who showed signs of being able to compromise with you-“ his ass was not compromising for shit, he got hit with criticism and started tormenting them with their traumas. I’m sorry but that doesn’t seem verrrrry… how to put this? “god who’s gonna compromise with me” Y’know? (If there’s any missing context i apologize)
He compromised in ep 4.
Then in ep 5, Zooble pushed it way further, asking for a TON of work that would require who knows how much out of a glitchy, run down AI (I mean “leave all the adventures open”? Could a HUMAN on the other side of the screen even do that?)
This is AFTER laser-targeting his insecurity which made him almost crash the whole circus in the therapy session.
The writing on Zooble is incomprehensible throughout the series. They act like they’re scared in 4, then seemingly totally forget that and snipe at him over and over. Can’t figure out what the writers were going for at all.
That NONE of the cast could picture a compromise between “only him adventures” and “a request that he said wasn’t possible (we don’t know why, but still)” just indicates to me none of them has any imagination.
such as “do some suggestion box stuff but let Caine have a little more artistic liberty than sticking to ONLY their ideas”
Yeah, to tack onto what you're saying about the suggestion box, his entire purpose as a program is to be creative, so the humans wanting suggestion box adventures, while a reasonable desire, completely robs Caine of any sense of self, turns him into an adventure vending machine, and forces him to do something that completely goes against his primary directive. It's like getting mad at a washing machine for not cooking you spaghetti!
Why not do Suggestion Box one day, and then his the other. Likkkkke
DUH.
So many different compromises could’ve been made here.
I really think this is the crux point of the series.
Like, they could all be sitting around in this digital wasteland in ep 9 and realize wait a second. This could’ve been so easily fixed.
And now he’s dead.
(perhaps permanently)
(perhaps he only returns when they fully grieve and accept his death, actually. That would be neat.)
We were all caught up with getting only OUR OWN WAY. Pushing him out entirely, even when Zooble, A FELLOW ARTIST MIND YOU, was directly SHOWN via EARTHQUAKE how much it meant to him.
When he said “They’re selfish” in his office, he was ONE HUNDRED AND TEN percent correct.
Does that justify torture? Ofc not. But this is a weird situation and honestly they made their own bed.
i hope in the final episode kinger says “lowkey caine is dead af” and everyone starts making out sloppy style in celebration
I love how everyone assumes a sex update is even possible . . . (giving Gangle and Zooble proper mouths, too) like canonically they're probably going to ask Kinger and he's like "wtf you think we could do that? You silly kids."
"Wait he wasn't just withholding it from us?"
"Huh? Oh you made him have a panic attack, didn't you."
"What?"
"He did a spontaneous memory wipe you mentioned it, yeah?"
"Yes . . . ?"
"He's sensitive about that, he hates that he'll never experience it and never be human."
" . . ."
“caine is forcing these 6 grown adult humans who desire personal autonomy into eternal chastity because he can’t fuck” you literally just invented Incel Caine AU and u want me to feel bad for him
What? I’m saying that common fanon that everyone is circulating that he withholds it is probably NOT what’s going to happen …?
Did you read too fast or smth?
It’s impossible, like whether he is there or not. Kinger says it is.
Actually I’ve got a more likely theory than this, now … but eh
Iit would be very hard to just add sex to the game lol. Llook at how much effort vrchat people have put into, and Bluetooth sex toys(backbone of vr sex) aren't an option if ur body is inaccessible. Hhow possible even would it be to add new sensations to the game?! Pprolly very.
And even if he could add a sex update, he'd have to CODE AND MODEL ANY AND ALL SEX POSITIONS AND OPTIONS THAT THE HUMANS WANTED, and based on his prior (very sex-repulsed asexual coded) responses to mentions of sex, I think making him do that would count as some form of SA tbh.
But yeah not making himself do that is literally a move by him to take away the humans' bodily autonomy just to be an incel or something. Smh.
STOOOOOOOPPPPP FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHTINGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!
✨You’re both the asshole✨
And here’s why
It seems you actually both didn’t consider the true oppressed demographic here,
FAT PEOPLE!
every day every single member of the circus BERATES Chad, and HITS Chad. You just Can’t See It Because Caine doesn’t want Us To Feel bad for him. They call him stuopid fat oaf and they throw him in the air and hit him around with their noses and no one talks about it. No one utters a fucking WORD.
ALL FOR BEING FAT.
All the while.
While HES SUFFERING IN SILENCE!!!!!
THE ONLY ONE THERE FOR HIM
In this fucking world
Is Max. Because Gummigoo fucking CHANGED
After becoming fandom CRACK in the COCAINE PIPE OF SLOP AND SWILL Gooseworx and the alumni FUNNEL in your trough every DAY!
Justice for Chad, man…
Omg yes, just yes..!
I've been saying this for ages!!!
Max faces TOO MUCH fatphobia!!!!!
Max is
Kind
Funny
TRYING HIS BEST!!!
You accidentally mixed up him and Chad, but I can forgive it because so many people just aren't getting it. They also spend TOO MUCH TIME shipping max and chad when theres just NO need for that!!!
I really think that people who focus too much on dismantling popular ships to care about REAL amatonormative behavior, which is shipping background characters just because theyre there.
And not only do they ship max and chad (and they never even tag it smh) but they also make SO many fat jokes. Its honestly sickening!!! Just because hes eating at spudsys doesnt mean he only cares about food... THEYRE AT A RESTAURANT!! OF COURSE HES EATING!!!
Never fucking talk to me again. I know what the FUCK I’m talking about. Are you fat? In real life? Are you fat? Are you?
Im so fat i swing my big gut around and it goes slosh slosh. Jokes aside, were in agreement? Why are you fatinvestigating me... kinger wouldnt approve you know
You smell like a SMALLL FRY. I know you are at least a MEASLY 155 pounds. At fucking most. Im the FATOLOGIST I FUCKING KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT.
I am!
THE!
FAT FRIEND!
And if you were a real fucking fan you’d know Kinger’s eating disorder coding and decayingcoding.
I dont know what i did wrong :( i agreed with you... and for the record im 70 kilos!!
I think its so disrespectful to say kinger is "eating disorder coded", by the way. I bet youre someone who ships kinger and queenie just because theyre chess pieces too... im so sick of amatonornative skinny thinking ruining this fandom!! Kinger is about kindness and love and im sure he didnt even mean to kill caine. Youre mischaracterizing him by using his name to spread hate!!
