Evil Xisuma

please stop shipping my brother and his friends together. its gross. if you ship them, i would like to talk to you on what kind of mental gymnastics you are doing.

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I dont really think its the shipping, but the discourse that happens FROM it. Yes I know porn is a bad thing obviously, but theres so little to none of it (at least from what Ive seen) But the rest of hermitblr blows it so out of proportion?? I legitimately saw someone trying to cause drama on the hermitship tag (which may I add, is supposed to be a safe place for shippers) I just feel like if groups on hermitblr kept to themselves this never wouldve happened.

I agree- Publically at least (I am not allowed to mention some of the private ones I see)- I see very little hermitporn on the hermitship tag (other than the HORRIBLE minority comprising fo Python trauma fic and preg Grisuma). But just because there is a toxic minority doesn’t mean the creators won't see it and it is okay. And this actually goes for BOTH sides of the conversation (see, scutes). And it is because of the blown-out response from both sides and the willingness to immediately call out someone for the smallest thing, without doing research or any basic reading comprehension regarding the “evidence” that they use. 

There is a habit of people going into tags specifically to pick fights, and I don’t necessarily agree with the sentiment, but there is nothing to really do about people starting shit for the sake of starting shit and some even for clout. 

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Hey! First of all im really thankful for your willingness to listen to the other side, that doesnt really happen here on tumblr) I have a question though, as from what I can see on the hermitship tag, people seem pretty chill! Like most of the fanart is either two hermits standing next to eachother or holding hands, so I really dont get the hate. I mean of course its not right to ship real, living people, but I dont see anyone shoving it down anyones throat? (Of course minus the loud minority)

Yeah, while I do agree that for what it is on the hermitship tag, it is the minority that does very questionable shit... A good example of this is on the hermit craft ao3 tag, where there is not even a separate tag for hermitship. (Thinking of Corporal Punishment and Icey’s Discord Dump for this one.)

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Might be too late to say this but... English is not my first language, forgive me for any grammar mistakes.

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By the way, could I please ask you not to put the discourse in main tags? At least, not both #hermitcraftserver and #hermitship, since both are meant to be safe spaces (#hermitcraft is for everything so it's kinda okay and #hermitblr is for everything related to the fandom so it fits too) and also please please PLEASE I'm begging you, tag it with the discourse tags (sorry if you got any asks several times, Tumblr's glitching out for me)

Sure, I’ll stop it from now on. I don’t feel like going back to rewrite all those tags. 

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A huge problem with people positioning themselves as "antis" is that shippers feel opposed and hated. Especially when there are cases of antis attacking shippers, anon hate leading to self hard, etc. the image antis are forming around themselves is a hateful one. The only way one could efficiently convince anyone would be by friendliness and good arguments. Giving examples from other fandoms isn't good enough, since each fandom is different, but Mumbo x False is a better one.

Personally, I’ve seen many cases were some shippers make themselves feel opposed by purposely trying to go into the main tag where there are fewer shippers. 

While I KNOW that it will probably be impossible to rid of shipping, all we are asking is to keep it in your own tag or keep it privately at all. Stop parading it around like it's your only personality or its almost as if its a sexual orientation. 

I agree that other examples from other fandoms are not great evidence, of why shipping is bad. Every case and every situation is different, but it is a good example of what it might be since it is a possibility regardless...

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Just because there is a small chance doesn't mean that it wil inevitably happen. We should be aware of the risks, yes, but the way the excessive shipping should be dealt with is not by trying to completely stop it all (which wouldn't work anyway). What would do much more help is spreading positively-written advice or talking to the shippers who go to the extremes directly (and friendly), which is NOT what most antis in this fandom or calling shipping "gross" does.

Dude. What you are saying in your first sentence has so many unfavorable connotations to it. There is plenty of things that are rare but still horrible. Here is an analogy so unrelated that you might be mad at me: It's like saying radioactive isn’t dangerous because you don’t encounter it every day. But if you do you are basically fucked. 

But to address your other point, I agree with your sentiment that yes, most antis should speak more kindly to shippers, but when sometimes shippers are disrespectful to us, we can’t keep being kind forever. 

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I'm not suggesting there cannot be a fandom without shipping, what I mean is that shipping is as important as any other content (gonna respond to the rest in another ask)

Okay, that's a sentiment I can agree with. Any content should be treated equally, but this doesn’t go with the content of extremely poor taste. Let’s say... porn of real people?

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I don't think that it's the shipping itself that needs to be addressed, but the case-by-case situations. With False x Mumbo? It's a situation gone too far. With, say, Gridoc? Nothing bad has happened yet. Shipping is an important part of every fandom and straight up trying to forbid it without a really good reason would lead to another disaster. Shipping is just as big of a problem as Grian fans, which is not big.

You see, even you used the keyword here.

Yet.

It doesn’t mean it won’t happen if given enough time to sprawl out of control. And once it does it’ll be too much to go back and get it under control.

So, it’s just the logical thing to?.... not ship real people? You would think even with the slightest chance of ruining someone else’s friendship, people would realize it’s not so fun.

Once again, not trying to be rude here.

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And on the point of shipping being part of fandom culture... are you actually suggesting that if you don’t ship, you can’t have a fandom????

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I don't think that it's the shipping itself that needs to be addressed, but the case-by-case situations. With False x Mumbo? It's a situation gone too far. With, say, Gridoc? Nothing bad has happened yet. Shipping is an important part of every fandom and straight up trying to forbid it without a really good reason would lead to another disaster. Shipping is just as big of a problem as Grian fans, which is not big.

You see, even you used the keyword here.

Yet.

It doesn’t mean it won’t happen if given enough time to sprawl out of control. And once it does it’ll be too much to go back and get it under control.

So, it’s just the logical thing to?.... not ship real people? You would think even with the slightest chance of ruining someone else’s friendship, people would realize it’s not so fun.

Once again, not trying to be rude here.

[askshipperanything]

Shout-out for the blog

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An ask blog kinda like this but from an anti's perspective. Remember to be respectful and kind asking questions!

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Not to come across as salty but maybe the hermits avoid hermitblr because it IS a warzone? Last time Cleo tried to intervene she ended up being accused of supporting incest and a transphobe so I don't think it's the shipping, it's the discourse surrounding it that could totally be stopped if people, especially extremists, just stop bringing it up once every two months, start blocking and treat others as their equals

Yes. It is a war zone I have to agree and repeat myself. There is wrongs on both sides, but...

I hate to actually be rude, but extremist? Are we in political parties now? Is hermitblr a country now, and all antis and shippers are two parties competing for power now?

It’s just a pet peeve of mine for people to use terms such as “extremist anti” or “extremist shipper”, or whatever the hell you people use nowhere days.

And to touch on the actual ask, blocking doesn’t quite work when all you see in the MAIN TAG IS (post blocked) (post blocked) (post blocked) and you end up don’t see any content, OTHER than the content you are trying to avoid and flooding out of content you actually want.

I am aware that it’s not ALL shippers, and it’s not like you guys have some sort of server where ALL and EVERY single one of you are in. (However I am aware of one that comes very close to it) it is impossible to communicate clearly to pull in the people who are actually ignoring boundaries and go posting in the main tag.

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Unfortunately, the persistent shipping did seem to creep them out or annoy them at least a bit, since the two of them eventually stopped doing one-on-one collabs for a long time on camera, lasting till today... which is a real shame. Nowadays, I don't see anyone shipping the two of them together, which I suppose meant that their strategy worked? Still, it's a shame since their friendship and rare collabs were real fun to see in the videos. It was a good time while it lasted! (End)

Personally speaking, I also started in season 6 and watched season 3 biffa, so thanks for informing me of this.

Like.... this whole situation is a bit yikes, and a good example of shipping blocking a potential developing friendship between two people.

And its even more worrying that Mumbo was like, 16(?) back then? Shipped with False, an adult. It almost starts to sound like the WilburxSchlatt shippers from smplive fandom. Of which the friendship straight out died on camera.

You might think this is just a fun harmless thing to do, but here is the real results. The terrifying, real results of ACTUALLY ruining friendships.

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That being said, the False/Mumbo shipping was a bit of an anomaly among the early HC fandom (as in pre-S6). Mainly prompted by a young and vocal developing fanbase of Mumbo's (he was at the time by far one of the most popular hermits by subs). False happened to be the only female hermit who'd semi-regularly collab with him (esp. since Mumbo rarely collabs after all), they both joined in S2 and had good on cam chemistry (since y'know, they're friends!). Still, it was an anomaly back then. (P3)

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(Note: by 'baby', I mean just significantly younger than the others, although this also led to a bit of a 'protective'/possessive fanbase back then... but that's a different story, I digress.) While I can't recall if that was addressed in a video or livestream, if you rewatch their early collabs you'll still see shippers in the comments section. I think he also had to clarify in a HC q&a vid that False wasn't his gf, especially since he started dating his current gf at least before then? (P2)

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Loosely modified from something I sent someone else, simply because I don't recall anyone else discussing it: Does anyone in this fandom go far back enough to remember the s2-3 False and Mumbo ship? They used to collab a bit (e.g. s3 prank wars) but things got pretty uncomfortable when part of Mumbo's fanbase started shipping them and calling False his girlfriend even back in s2, especially when Mumbo was still barely out of high school back then and hence kinda seen as a 'baby' hermit. (P1)

(I’ll post all of the parts and I will comment on the end.)

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What's your experiences with shippers you have met if you have any. For me most shippers have been really nice.

To be honest? Most shippers who don’t out right draw hermitcraft porn I can tolerate.

Like, most of you (shippers) are nice people to talk to, provided that both sides don’t just fall into a screaming match. It’s just the unfortunate pretext of you shipping real people, which HAS affected me before and I do not want to repeat that ever again.

It really prevents me from talking to you guys like normal people.

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I think the hermits are avoiding Tumblr not because of the shipping, but because of the discourse

That definitely plays a part in it, in my opinion, its not completely one or another.