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Fallen Fanfic Recs
Thereâs not a huge supply of fanfics in this fandom, but Iâve read most of them so hereâs a list of some that are actually GOOD. Iâll expand this list as time goes on. If I missed anything, pls send them my way, Iâm always on the hunt for new Fallen content.
⌠The New Deal by Teatime86 / itachi86 â Daniel x Cam oneshot, smut with voyeurism during the bonfire party.
⌠heaven won't take me now by Teatime86 / itachi86 â Daniel x Cam oneshot, smut during the âwe killed the wrong guyâ scene at the beginning of Torment.
⌠Exiled: An Unforgiven Sequel by FallenforBriel â Cam x Lilith multi-chapter continuation from the end of Unforgiven. Itâs unfinished at the moment, but I really love it nevertheless.
⌠You Are Everything by Assisi (itâs meee!) â Lucinda x Lucifer, childhood best friend AU, oneshot smut (lmaoo sorry for the self-promo)
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I've concluded that Wednesday is pretty much Fallen (2016), but with different Twilight vibes. A girl being sent to a special school/town after "hurting" a guy. There she meets her two love interests, one is light and the other is dark. With one she has a history with even though she doesnt remember at first. She also meets her bestfriend who never stops talking. Then she engages in a fencing match. One of the boys saves her from getting crushed by a statue. One boy tries to convince her that the other isn't a good person. Then someone dies.
âi liked it before it was coolâ well i liked it AFTER it was cool when everyone abandoned it
this literally describes my life
An excerpt from The Fallen series by Lauren Kate (I cannot remember which book in particular).
This is the kind of language that I know @dangermousie and @tomorrowsdrama particularly use in their elaborate cap spam đ
And I'm all here for it!
*reading my own writing* wow this really does cater to all my specific needs
So, Iâve been obsessed with Lauren Kateâs Fallen series for years, but recently rereading it and Camâs book, Unforgiven, I realize some things Iâd like to critique. Spoilers, obviously; and tw for DA and Self-harm, gore, suicide
First, Camâs character is completely retconned in his book. In Passion, they tell us that Lilith, his love interest, holds him down and screams in his face, and belittles him so badly he actually believes what she says.
In his book, Unforgiven, the author just lazily says, âCam just imagined that!! That never actually happened.â
Except it did. We know this, because we werenât looking from Camâs POV, we were looking through Danielâs, the main character because was there when it happened. He even says the two would constantly fight, all the time, so loud that the entire village could hear them. I donât find that romantic.
After this moment, Cam joins Lucifer and even self-harms because heâs so upset. He completely gives up on love. In unforgiven, it says he never moves on from her, and every time he felt something for another girl, heâd leave before it got too serious. Unforgiven is just about him going back to Lilith, who was also retconned.
First, am I suppose to be impressed that he never moved on? That he held on to this toxic ass relationship? I know the author has this thing for all of her characters, where they all devote themselves to one person, and thatâs it.
For Daniel and Luce, that worked. For everyone else, it didnât. Tess and Arriane were toxic. Roland gave up and kept walls up for thousands of years, and will never let anyone else it. So really, only Daniel and Luce got a happy ending. But weâll get back into that in a moment.
Back to Lilith; we know Lilith was retconned because Daniel tells us that she was beautiful, but mean. She dumped Cam because of a church and verbally and physically abuses him, and has to be pulled off by Daniel. (Also why is Cam dating a teenager in high school anyway? Weirdo. Normalize immortals dating college girls and not minors)
We also know from Torment that Lilith had children, who (as she tells Cam in Passion) that she would curse all of her children to hate him, every female from her bloodline would hate him. And surprise! Torment, we meet Lilith, a direct descendant of Lilith who hates Cam, and sheâs JUST as mean, as stated by Shelby, who said Lilith caught her hair on fire in middle school.
But in Unforgiven, after they retconned that scene with âOMG NO, cam made that up!1!1!â Lilith ends up committing suicide because she was so heartbroken by Cam leaving her. She dies in her wedding dress.
How did she manage to have kids if that scene never happened? Why do they hate Cam, if he just imagined that scene? Why does Daniel mention it, and pretty clearly makes it obvious he didnât like Lilith.
I donât like Unforgiven, because it was retconned and changed the canon; it doesnât make sense, and I hate that cam went back to a toxic relationship. Like, she STILL hates him in the book; they fight every chapter, and it takes place in 15 days. Thatâs a lot of fucking fighting. Thatâs not healthy. Thatâs not love.
Itâs not uncommon that people cling to their first love, even if itâs toxic, because they donât want to see the red flags. They want to believe in love; and Cam is so naive, and itâs his first love ever, so of course heâd cling to it. She yelled in his face, they fought all the time, she held him down, which is domestic and emotional abuse. She degraded him. And he goes back to her in Unforgiven.
The author loves this toxic relationship and I donât know why. Itâs like none of her characters can move on from their first loves. Lucifer is still obsessed with Lucinda, Daniel is obsessed with Lucinda, Arriane never gets over Tess, Roland never gets over Roseline, and Cam never gets over Lilith.
Everyone, except Daniel, gives up on love. And itâs like Daniel gets rewarded with that by ending up with Lucinda, but no one else gets a happy ending. The author has this idea of first love and devotion being romantic.
She basically gives Cam this cliche, making-a-bet trope, and with the devil, of course; and itâs just him trying to get Lilith to love him? And he changes for her, because yknow, thatâs all women are good for. Changing bad men into good men. (Insert dramatic eye roll here)
His story shouldâve been about forgiving himself, loving HIMSELF, and moving past this trauma. It shouldâve been about him learning to love again, and letting go of the past. It shouldâve been about healing, and he couldâve found a love interest too; someone who understands him and helps him heal, not change but heal, and accepts him for who, and what, he is. He deserves a healthy love that doesnât fight with him constantly.
But letâs look at the canon now. It ends with them leaving Hell, because they won. Now what. Itâs left on a cliff hanger, because no one wants to face the inevitable: their relationship is doomed.
Lilith has been in Hell for seven thousand years. Her recent life, the only life she currently knows, she left behind. Her brother, her mother, her friends, everything she knows. Sheâll go to the modern world, which sheâs never been in. She wonât know any of the worldâs history, she wonât know the music, or technology, or anything about it. She will be a fish out of water, an outcast. Sheâll definitely struggle to fit in, and this will most likely cause fights between them. Sheâll resent Cam. She wonât be able to have a life, because where does she fit in with the new world? Without friends? Without her family? Lilith will struggle with the idea that Cam wonât age, and she will, because thatâs who Lilith is. Sure, the angels and Nephilim will help her, we assume; but sheâll crave human companionship; but she wouldnât even know where to start. Does she go to college, where she doesnât know anything? I doubt the Devil was teaching her basic school stuff during her time in Hell; (a lazy author would say he was, but we know heâs an asshole in the series, and canonically, he wouldnât.) so where does that leave them? Cam is her only friend? I can only imagine how many fights that will cause
She has a temper, like seriously bad, thereâs no way her and Cam will work out; which what happens then? Even if they do work out, cam never learned to love anyone besides her. He still ends up alone, and giving up on love. She never gets ANY character development at all. She never worked on her temper, which seems like a generational curse. I also hate that we get ZERO backstory on Cam. I want to know his story! How HE felt about The Fall, things heâs done, how he got so good at traveling through Announcers, seeing his powers as an Archangel, and just being introduced into more characters. Or like Lucifer, I wanted more about their bond. Like the tattoo on Camâs neck, and the night he joined Luciferâs side. This book was about Lilith, not Cam; I donât even like Lilith.
Iâm just unhappy with the book. I love the author, and the characters, but I definitely think she dropped the ball with Unforgiven. Camâs story let me down.
Letâs talk about Fallen in Love, which is a short story about how all of the previously mentioned characters got their hearts broken.
Letâs start with Cam, because itâll be short; because Iâve already talked about him.
We find Cam, who just got dumped by Lilith, self-harming under a waterfall. Water is deadly to Angels wings, so where is he? Laying underneath a waterfall, as it âbrutalizesâ his body. His body is one big purple bruise, and his wings are bleeding. Heâs joined Luciferâs side and became a demon, because heâs spiraling after the breakup. He had given up on love.
Clearly this scene broke my heart. I hate that we get this scene, just to know he gets back with Lilith. It sickens me.
He proceeds to lash out at Roland, who then also gives up on love.
Rolandâs story is that heâs a POC, always has been, and he feels comfortable in his skin. Roseline is a beautiful, blond rich girl who takes a liking to him. Sheâs human. Theyâre in love. Sheâs the only person who didnât see him for the color of his skin, and for who he was inside. He wants to be with her, but heâs afraid because heâs a demon, and immortal. After going to Cam, who will convince him not to ever love humans, because they canât be married in churches, and because theyâll never love him if they find out what they are; Roland will go to Roseline, and leave her. Heâll put up walls, and never let anyone else in again. He literally says this. (Also why a white girl?? Especially during that time? Weâve seen Roland as a slave, it wouldâve been nice seeing him advocating for his people, or doing something. Imagine him dating a pretty biracial girl, or any POC girl, leading a BLM rally in 2021 đ© him dating a rich white girl feels weird to me)
Arrianeâs story is that she in an Angel who is in love with a demon named Tess. Lucifer doesnât want any of the demons to date (because yknow he got dumped by Luce, so he punished everyone else. Very clichĂ© villain motives) so Lucifer tells Tess that she canât be with Arriane, unless she can convince her to join the demons. Tess relays this message to Arriane, but Arriane politely explains that she canât, and wonât. I respect her decision, because it IS her decision. She decides that she has to break up with Tess, who then fucking assaults her. She starts hitting Arriane, and causing her to bleed, and literally has the audacity to say itâs âfor loveâ and because sheâs showing her that how hard she would âfightâ for their love.
Uh no, honey. Youâre just physically assaulting your girlfriend. Thatâs not love. Please stop.
So naturally, Arriane breaks up with her and leaves. She then gets a bad feeling and returns to find Tess mutilating her fucking wings, and basically committing suicide, because âif she canât have Arriane, she wants nothing at all.â
Which is so manipulative, and so fucked up, and so unhealthy. So Arriane tries to save her, which ends up getting her seriously injured, and she ends up having to leave after telling Tess, âI love you and will never love another.â And leaves. And guess what? She never loves another. Never even tries.
But all three of these characters say they believe in love, and fight for Daniel and Luceâs love, but gives up on their own??? How is that fair?? Itâs like Daniel and Luce are the only ones who get to be happy.
Cam goes back to a toxic relationship.
And Roland and Arriane end up alone.
And letâs just rip on Daniel for a second. This man is so self-absorbed to see his friends suffering and doesnât care. Cam gets his heart broken, and what does he do? âWhy donât you just tell her?â Bro, thatâs his decision. And then brings up Lucinda as if to rub it in his face. When Cam said, âIâm lonely,â that made me so heartbroken. His relationship and favorite brother made him feel alone. I never said, âI WAS lonely,â he used current tense, meaning even with Lilith, he felt lonely, and those are the worst relationships. Daniel also doesnât cry about Gabbe and Molly sacrificing themselves for his story. He doesnât thank any of his friends for helping, he even says it was âexpectedâ of them. Heâs a terrible friend who only cared about Luce.
Bruh. So whatâs the moral of the story here? I seriously canât figure it out. Stay devoted to your first love? Love is impossible? Thereâs no underlying meaning, or moral here. Thereâs no lesson to be learned.
All three of the previously mentioned characters deserve their own book, on overcoming their individual traumas and heartbreaks. Why are we perpetuating this idea that people should stay with their first love??? Itâs not uncommon that people mistake their first love, which is usually just infatuation, or lust, or obsession, with love.
But love is gentle. Love is kind. Love is understanding, and patient. Love doesnât yell at you, love doesnât hit you. Love doesnât manipulate you. Love doesnât own you. Love isnât apathetic, love is empathetic.
Itâs okay not to work out with your first love. If at first you donât succeed, try again! And again, and again. But you canât love someone else, if you canât even love yourself. Until you accept your own flaws, youâre not going to be happy with someone else.
All of these characters need to learn to love themselves first, and look for the love within themselves. They were all so obsessed with the idea of being in love, that they ignored all of the red flags. They all wanted a love like Daniel and Luceâs, but fail to realize that no two relationships are the same. Love is unique. Itâs different for everyone. You shouldnât compare your love to someone elseâs, nor to love you had before. Never compare.
Not to your friendsâ relationship, or your past relationship, or youâll never succeed. It would be so great to see these characters forgive their past, and move forward, to move on. In breaking up, you learn so much about yourself. What you can handle, how strong you are, how capable you are, you learn your flaws, and what you can change about yourself, and most importantly, you learn what love isnât.
All of this is to prepare you for your next relationship. Love should nourish you, it should help you grow, you should learn from it, and be happy, most of all.
And not just romantic love, but platonic and self-love too; which is what the three of them need. I wouldâve love to see them coming together again, and see them being friends with Shelby and Miles still. Iâm not impressed that theyâre still dedicated and devoted to their exes. I think theyâre holding themselves back, and preventing themselves from being happy. I absolutely am not impressed, I donât admire it. I think itâs unhealthy and perpetuates toxic relationships and mindsets.
Theyâre immortals, and theyâve chosen to spend eternity alone. Even if Lilith loves Cam, when she dies, heâll never move in after her; because he never learned how to love anyone else. He doesnât want to.
I want them to experience real love, not fabricated, romanticized ideals of love; but real, happy, fun, love. Itâs not always easy, itâs going to hurt, but itâs worth it.
I want them all to find someone who loves them for them, and brings out the best in them. Someone who encourages them to find love, even after theyâre gone. They deserve to have so many epic loves.
Love is hope. Love is also betrayal. Yes youâll get your heartbroken, but donât ever give up. Love is worth it, above all. There are so many novels, and quotes that Iâd love to add, but this is just a rant no one will see, that I just needed to get off my chest, lol.
OMG why didnât i see this post earlier????
first of all, let me say, being a Fallen fan feels like iâm alone in the world, like this fandom just feels so dead, and it makes me so happy to find relatively recent posts of people discussing it and having opinions. fuck yeah, letâs start conversations!!!
and yeah i completely agree with your post, a lot of elements in this series are fucked up, and Unforgiven just never felt right to me. and the whole series in general is just too focused on Luce & Daniel, and we barely get to know the other characters outside of the context of this main couple. like everything we know about Cam or Arriane or Gabbe is always through the lens of what they did FOR, AGAINST, SIMILARLY or DIFFERENTLY from Daniel & Luce, and not as though they are individuals. i think thatâs the reason why all of their love stories are fucked up, because they are supposed to be a contrast to Luce & Danielâs happy ending. the whole reason why iâve been a fan of this series for 6 years is this consistent feeling of being dissatisfied yet intrigued by the side charactersâ backstories. like i would love to learn more about the whole angelic hierarchy, the relationships that they have with each other, and just everything that ISNâT Luce & Daniel
Yesss!! First of all, it is so awesome to meet another Fallen fan. I get exactly what you mean.
Secondly, YES. I wanted to know more about them! Like what the Fall was like, how did they find each other, were they close in Heaven, etc. I wanted to hear more about their relationship to each other. Or more about their powers. In Fallen in Love, Roland is the angel of music; which?? Thatâs literally Lucifer. If you arenât going to follow what the Angels actually are, it would make more sense to have Cam be the angel of music, since he loves music so much, and it would explain why he liked Lilith. (Because it wasnât for her personality) and speaking of, what was Cam the angel of anyway? Iâd like to know.
Or how in Rapture, Roland and Cam cry when Daniel and Luce are becoming human, but in Unforgiven, Lucifer is like, âdemons canât cryâ and their tears are acid. What??? But they cried?? In Rapture??? At the end??? Girl.
I love seeing the discussion in the comments, and again I fully agree. We all seem to have a consensus that Unforgiven just shits the rest of the story in the face. I also really hated the way Luciferâs character was portrayed, like yes he is a villain, but in the other books he was cunning and executed his plans with ambition and class; in Unforgiven he downright bullies Cam and just acts nasty, and I donât see that aligning with his personality.
Also, on a different note, thereâs definitely some holes in the worldbuilding when it comes to angelsâ powers and ranks, like we know that Lucinda is 3rd and Lucifer is 1st in the line, but they never really explore how Gabbe fits into this dynamic, being number 2. I could totally see them as a power trio. Itâs also not completely clear to me how it works that Gabbe, Arriane & Annabelle have fallen during the fall, but Heaven has taken them back soon after, but they still walk the earth during the story???
Roland is supposedly the Angel of Music, but we rarely see him doing music; tbh being the Angel of Bonfire Frat Parties would probably suit him better.
Also!!! Are we gonna talk about how in the first book Cam tried to seduce Luce, and then?? They all act like that was completely normal? Like, if Lilith is supposedly Camâs only love and the only girl he cared about, what was the whole purpose of trying to smash with Luce there? At that point, they all thought that Luce was gonna go up in flames like usual, so it couldnât have been a serious attempt from Camâs side. Maybe he was just bored?
Alsooo, Iâm getting kind of carried away here, but I canât help but wonder if any of our main cast members have any kids. Like we learn about the Nephilim, so we know that itâs more than possible for them to procreate, and I would BET AN ARM that out of the main cast, not everyone is a virgin. They had to spend those 7000 years doing SOMETHING. Might be a bit far-fetched, but I could easily imagine Lucifer having like a dozen or so kids that just accumulated during the centuries.
Ohmygod, I love this, because I also have thought of this! Itâs obvious Cam and Roland arenât virgins, so it would be nice to know if they had a line running around, or if Lucifer started the Nephilim with Eve. I would loved more world building, even just more information about the school. Like, they eat lunch. But what about breakfast. Or dinner.
I also was insanely confused about Camâs relationship with Luce. In the short story, Angels in the Dark, or whatever it was called, Cam said that he âonce had a chanceâ with Luce, and how he could âlook at her all day,â but Unforgiven came after, and suddenly Lilith is the only girl he ever loved? What about the girl in that story that he left on a rooftop? Thatâs more romantic than all the backtracking in Unforgiven, and goes with his story. I wouldâve like to know why he kept flirting with Luce, or why Dee said that Luce always had âcomplicated feelingsâ for Cam in other lives, but youâre not going to explore that? I want to know WHY. Was there something between them? I get the vibe he did it to fuck with Daniel, but it wouldâve been nice if they said that.
I wanted to know more about Gabbe and Molly. We lost them too quickly, and it felt like their deaths, and Pennâs were just bad writing. Just shock value. They never tell us what exactly hit Penn, or why we never see that happen again when the Angels fight.
I also wanted to know more about Lucifer. He had such good potential as the villain, but Unforgiven reduced him to this cliche bully with no real motive other than to be the antagonist for Camâs story. We didnât even get to see key aspects of their personalities in the other book: like Camâs temper, or his sassy, snarky comebacks, or dark humor. We didnât get to see Lucifer being a goofball, like when he was Bill. âIf I do not practice, I wonât win any medalsâ will never not be funny lol.
I have so many rants I could go on, especially about Cam, because heâs my comfort character and I love him forever; but his story was so boring and a serious let down. Also, they changed his name in the show to Cam JORDAN. JORDAN? Seriously? Lame. Cambriel is so beautiful, and it never dawned on me that it was an angelic name, I thought Cam Briel was a normal name until Rapture when they said, âCambrielâ and I was like, âoooooooh okâ Cambriel is even the name of a real angel, so itâs such a neat little Easter egg, but to disrespect my boy like thatâŠ
Cam Jordan. Ugh.
Omfg donât even bring up the Cam Jordan thing, when I first heard it I was like what the fuck. The makers of the show just change things for changeâs sake, I donât see any storytelling purpose behind these adjustments, and these details are so important for the fans. And yeah I also love how Camâs real name is Cambriel and he just broke it apart to form his last name.
With the Unforgiven thing, I lowkey have this headcanon that Cam and Lucifer have a complicated, semi-intimate relationship, and I think Lucifer was just trying to sabotage the Lilith-mission because he didnât wanna lose Cam. I get the vibe that the two of them have a long history together, and despite Cam being an inner circle demon, they seem to sabotage each other all the time. Lucifer insisted that if Cam fails the wager, he has to return to his right hand side, so I feel like they are important to each other. I dunno, Iâm a sucker for a homoerotic dynamic, and they definitely have a potential there.
And yeah, I reckon Cam, Roland, Lucifer are definitely not virgins, they have too much rizz for that. And donât forget about Arriane! In Fallen in Love, she and Tess are literally hugging naked, so I donât buy it for a second that they kept it innocent.
Iâm so glad you brought up Bill, his humour is fucking lethal, I love it so much. Thatâs the main reason why I love Lucifer, heâs just so sharp and funny, yet deeply knowledgeable but he also has a sad side to him. When they are in Tahiti with Luce and her past self is making out with Daniel, he goes:
âWake me up when they get to the good stuff,â he said, yawning. âPervert!â She wanted to slug him, but she didnât want to touch him. âI mean the tattooing, gutter-brain. Iâm into tats, okay?â
Besides being hilarious, this scene is also a subtle hint about the tattoos that he marks his demons with. Legendary.
And on the Cam/Luce relationship, I get the vibe that Cam wasnât actually serious about it, he just wanted to annoy with Daniel. I guess after living for 7000 years, your social behaviour standards are just not the same, like he must have been so bored and just didnât give a fuck anymore. And I guess, Luce is attractive so he was like âwhatever, why notâ
YESS. Lucifer became one of my favorite angels in the story because of his time as Bill. I donât care what anyone says. He and Luce had way more chemistry than she did with Daniel. I found myself rooting for him, because he was just so unique and funny.
And SCREAMING because I also got that vibe from Cam and Lucifer! The night Cam left Lilith and Daniel, he was talking about suicide, so it wouldâve been bittersweet to see him going to Lucifer, who refuses to kill his brother, but instead, offers him a spot as his right hand. Lucifer ALSO had his heartbroken, so I could definitely see him bonding with Cam. Iâm so disappointed we never got more of his relationship with Lucifer. It wouldâve made more sense if Unforgiven, he was jealous that Cam had chosen Daniel over him, and was afraid to lose Cam even more, which is why heâs sabotages his relationship. It would also give him that toxic brother trait that Lauren tried so hard to paint for him. He just never gave âtoxic exâ vibes to me, Luce just seemed like she enjoyed male attention (no shame, get it, girl) Lucifer and Cam wouldâve been such a fun duo to watch, and explore. Iâm glad someone picked up on these two, because I adored their dynamic, and wouldâve loved to see it more in-depth. Innocent Cam who just crossed sides being corrupted by his charming, devious brother? Ugh. We were ROBBED.
I was so hyped for her and Danielâs romance, because theyâd been building it for four books, just for their love story to begin with him hugging her and doing the bare minimum?? What.
Iâm literally screaming and giggling right now, I just feel so understood.
Everytime I try to write fanfic-bits about Cam and Lucifer, it immediately turns into this dynamic, I canât even help it, these characters just have their own free will at this point.
Also, little bit of a different note, but can we acknowledge that Lucinda actually cheated on Lucifer? And that never gets discussed in the story, ever??? She always gets depicted as the person in the right, but she when her relationship had troubles, she went off to hook up with Daniel instead of working it out with Lucifer first. If I was in Luciferâs shoes, Iâd fucking curse her too. And her whole relationship with Daniel is always described as pure, but she literally kissed Cam, Miles, Lucifer, Trevor, which btw no slutshaming, I actually support this, but I just wish the story embraced this instead of acting like the Daniel-thing was a starcrossed soulmates once-in-a-lifetime thing.
OMG SAME. I feel so heard! Iâve been saying it from the beginning that their love story wasnât as great as itâs portrayed. Itâs romanticized, but she literally cheats on Daniel constantly. And how can anyone say she loves Daniel if sheâs always had confused feelingsâ for Cam. Lucifer doesnât give her attention, and has his own ambitions, so she dramatically cries and said sheâs, âlosing her lightâ and Daniel hugs her, and thatâs true love? Bruh. Her whole point about being mad was that she didnât want to go in front of the Throne and declare their love. Thatâs what she was crying about. But literally does it the next day with Daniel. Daniel always felt toxic to me, because heâs like, âIâll always choose Lucindaâ đ€ you guys kissed once, calm down. Lucifer gets the blame for The Fall, but itâs literally stated that God lost patience with them because of Danielâs declaration of love. Cam fell BECAUSE of Daniel, but thatâs glossed over because romance.
And then she goes after Miles, and then continues to flirt with Cam. Like them laying together, or him reaching to touch her face, or the last book where she thinks heâs going to kiss her. She was down bad for him (same though)
Sheâs only with Daniel because sheâs bound to him with a curse. Itâs sad that she can never explore, or be with anyone else now, when itâs so obvious that she isnât fully devoted to Daniel. Cam even said this to Daniel, that theyâre bound together by a curse. Was it harsh? Sure. Was it the truth though? Yeah, absolutely. Thatâs why Daniel was so mad at Cam, because it was the truth and he didnât want to hear it. Mr. Expert in Romance was a fraud who had a fling with one girl, and now she can never be with anyone else. Lucifer was a better boyfriend anyway. Him calling her out for her praise kink made me holler lmao
âYou were always a sucker for acknowledgement. Baby, thatâs your Achilles heelâ I was swooning on her behalf. Yet Daniel gets mad at her for bleaching her hair blonde, and says itâs ânot herâ my brother in Christ, you knew her once in Heaven. You donât know whatâs her. Yâall kissed once before she was cursed, calm down. Lucifer even called Luce out for still having feelings for him, and she doesnât deny it. âYouâve loved me more recently than you thinkâ heâs right, Luce. Yâall had CHEMISTRY.
OMG the praise kink đ no, seriously Lucifer has an astronomical amount of rizz. If I were Luce during that final scene, I would have folded like a camping chair. Also the Lucifer / Lucinda name match literally implies that they were made BY GOD to be soulmates.
And yeah, I call bullshit on Luce & Danielâs relationship, he lords over her waaay too much, like the bleached hair thing:
âI donât understand why you did this, Luce. It isnât you.â She pushed him away. It had always bothered her when people said that. âWell, Iâm the one who dyed it, Daniel. So, technically, it is me. Maybe not the âmeâ you want me to beââ âThatâs not fair. I donât want you to be anyone other than who you are.â
What the hell does that even mean, itâs not like she joined a satanic cult, she just dyed her fucking hair. And he does this again and again:
âIâm just trying to take it day by day. Make friends, you know? Yesterday I joined a club, and weâre planning a yacht trip somewhere. Things like that.â [...] Daniel had narrowed his eyes like sheâd already done something wrong. âYouâre not going on a yacht trip anywhere.â âWhat?â âYouâll stay right here on this campus until I say so.â
BROOOO STOP. And when she goes on the yacht trip, as she should, he goes:
âI told you there were rules. I told you not to leave this campus. But you havenât listened. How many times have you disobeyed me?â âDisobeyed you?â She laughed, but inside she felt dizzy and sick. âWhat are you, my boyfriend or my master?â
Anyway, thereâs way too many quotes that support this thesis. But one thing is for certain, Luce has way more chemistry both with Cam and Lucifer, even with poor old Miles.
Iâm also kinda sad that after the first book, Cam got a little sidelined and he doesnât appear as often as he should. His big dick energy is palpable every time he appears and we just deserve more of it.
So, Iâve been obsessed with Lauren Kateâs Fallen series for years, but recently rereading it and Camâs book, Unforgiven, I realize some things Iâd like to critique. Spoilers, obviously; and tw for DA and Self-harm, gore, suicide
First, Camâs character is completely retconned in his book. In Passion, they tell us that Lilith, his love interest, holds him down and screams in his face, and belittles him so badly he actually believes what she says.
In his book, Unforgiven, the author just lazily says, âCam just imagined that!! That never actually happened.â
Except it did. We know this, because we werenât looking from Camâs POV, we were looking through Danielâs, the main character because was there when it happened. He even says the two would constantly fight, all the time, so loud that the entire village could hear them. I donât find that romantic.
After this moment, Cam joins Lucifer and even self-harms because heâs so upset. He completely gives up on love. In unforgiven, it says he never moves on from her, and every time he felt something for another girl, heâd leave before it got too serious. Unforgiven is just about him going back to Lilith, who was also retconned.
First, am I suppose to be impressed that he never moved on? That he held on to this toxic ass relationship? I know the author has this thing for all of her characters, where they all devote themselves to one person, and thatâs it.
For Daniel and Luce, that worked. For everyone else, it didnât. Tess and Arriane were toxic. Roland gave up and kept walls up for thousands of years, and will never let anyone else it. So really, only Daniel and Luce got a happy ending. But weâll get back into that in a moment.
Back to Lilith; we know Lilith was retconned because Daniel tells us that she was beautiful, but mean. She dumped Cam because of a church and verbally and physically abuses him, and has to be pulled off by Daniel. (Also why is Cam dating a teenager in high school anyway? Weirdo. Normalize immortals dating college girls and not minors)
We also know from Torment that Lilith had children, who (as she tells Cam in Passion) that she would curse all of her children to hate him, every female from her bloodline would hate him. And surprise! Torment, we meet Lilith, a direct descendant of Lilith who hates Cam, and sheâs JUST as mean, as stated by Shelby, who said Lilith caught her hair on fire in middle school.
But in Unforgiven, after they retconned that scene with âOMG NO, cam made that up!1!1!â Lilith ends up committing suicide because she was so heartbroken by Cam leaving her. She dies in her wedding dress.
How did she manage to have kids if that scene never happened? Why do they hate Cam, if he just imagined that scene? Why does Daniel mention it, and pretty clearly makes it obvious he didnât like Lilith.
I donât like Unforgiven, because it was retconned and changed the canon; it doesnât make sense, and I hate that cam went back to a toxic relationship. Like, she STILL hates him in the book; they fight every chapter, and it takes place in 15 days. Thatâs a lot of fucking fighting. Thatâs not healthy. Thatâs not love.
Itâs not uncommon that people cling to their first love, even if itâs toxic, because they donât want to see the red flags. They want to believe in love; and Cam is so naive, and itâs his first love ever, so of course heâd cling to it. She yelled in his face, they fought all the time, she held him down, which is domestic and emotional abuse. She degraded him. And he goes back to her in Unforgiven.
The author loves this toxic relationship and I donât know why. Itâs like none of her characters can move on from their first loves. Lucifer is still obsessed with Lucinda, Daniel is obsessed with Lucinda, Arriane never gets over Tess, Roland never gets over Roseline, and Cam never gets over Lilith.
Everyone, except Daniel, gives up on love. And itâs like Daniel gets rewarded with that by ending up with Lucinda, but no one else gets a happy ending. The author has this idea of first love and devotion being romantic.
She basically gives Cam this cliche, making-a-bet trope, and with the devil, of course; and itâs just him trying to get Lilith to love him? And he changes for her, because yknow, thatâs all women are good for. Changing bad men into good men. (Insert dramatic eye roll here)
His story shouldâve been about forgiving himself, loving HIMSELF, and moving past this trauma. It shouldâve been about him learning to love again, and letting go of the past. It shouldâve been about healing, and he couldâve found a love interest too; someone who understands him and helps him heal, not change but heal, and accepts him for who, and what, he is. He deserves a healthy love that doesnât fight with him constantly.
But letâs look at the canon now. It ends with them leaving Hell, because they won. Now what. Itâs left on a cliff hanger, because no one wants to face the inevitable: their relationship is doomed.
Lilith has been in Hell for seven thousand years. Her recent life, the only life she currently knows, she left behind. Her brother, her mother, her friends, everything she knows. Sheâll go to the modern world, which sheâs never been in. She wonât know any of the worldâs history, she wonât know the music, or technology, or anything about it. She will be a fish out of water, an outcast. Sheâll definitely struggle to fit in, and this will most likely cause fights between them. Sheâll resent Cam. She wonât be able to have a life, because where does she fit in with the new world? Without friends? Without her family? Lilith will struggle with the idea that Cam wonât age, and she will, because thatâs who Lilith is. Sure, the angels and Nephilim will help her, we assume; but sheâll crave human companionship; but she wouldnât even know where to start. Does she go to college, where she doesnât know anything? I doubt the Devil was teaching her basic school stuff during her time in Hell; (a lazy author would say he was, but we know heâs an asshole in the series, and canonically, he wouldnât.) so where does that leave them? Cam is her only friend? I can only imagine how many fights that will cause
She has a temper, like seriously bad, thereâs no way her and Cam will work out; which what happens then? Even if they do work out, cam never learned to love anyone besides her. He still ends up alone, and giving up on love. She never gets ANY character development at all. She never worked on her temper, which seems like a generational curse. I also hate that we get ZERO backstory on Cam. I want to know his story! How HE felt about The Fall, things heâs done, how he got so good at traveling through Announcers, seeing his powers as an Archangel, and just being introduced into more characters. Or like Lucifer, I wanted more about their bond. Like the tattoo on Camâs neck, and the night he joined Luciferâs side. This book was about Lilith, not Cam; I donât even like Lilith.
Iâm just unhappy with the book. I love the author, and the characters, but I definitely think she dropped the ball with Unforgiven. Camâs story let me down.
Letâs talk about Fallen in Love, which is a short story about how all of the previously mentioned characters got their hearts broken.
Letâs start with Cam, because itâll be short; because Iâve already talked about him.
We find Cam, who just got dumped by Lilith, self-harming under a waterfall. Water is deadly to Angels wings, so where is he? Laying underneath a waterfall, as it âbrutalizesâ his body. His body is one big purple bruise, and his wings are bleeding. Heâs joined Luciferâs side and became a demon, because heâs spiraling after the breakup. He had given up on love.
Clearly this scene broke my heart. I hate that we get this scene, just to know he gets back with Lilith. It sickens me.
He proceeds to lash out at Roland, who then also gives up on love.
Rolandâs story is that heâs a POC, always has been, and he feels comfortable in his skin. Roseline is a beautiful, blond rich girl who takes a liking to him. Sheâs human. Theyâre in love. Sheâs the only person who didnât see him for the color of his skin, and for who he was inside. He wants to be with her, but heâs afraid because heâs a demon, and immortal. After going to Cam, who will convince him not to ever love humans, because they canât be married in churches, and because theyâll never love him if they find out what they are; Roland will go to Roseline, and leave her. Heâll put up walls, and never let anyone else in again. He literally says this. (Also why a white girl?? Especially during that time? Weâve seen Roland as a slave, it wouldâve been nice seeing him advocating for his people, or doing something. Imagine him dating a pretty biracial girl, or any POC girl, leading a BLM rally in 2021 đ© him dating a rich white girl feels weird to me)
Arrianeâs story is that she in an Angel who is in love with a demon named Tess. Lucifer doesnât want any of the demons to date (because yknow he got dumped by Luce, so he punished everyone else. Very clichĂ© villain motives) so Lucifer tells Tess that she canât be with Arriane, unless she can convince her to join the demons. Tess relays this message to Arriane, but Arriane politely explains that she canât, and wonât. I respect her decision, because it IS her decision. She decides that she has to break up with Tess, who then fucking assaults her. She starts hitting Arriane, and causing her to bleed, and literally has the audacity to say itâs âfor loveâ and because sheâs showing her that how hard she would âfightâ for their love.
Uh no, honey. Youâre just physically assaulting your girlfriend. Thatâs not love. Please stop.
So naturally, Arriane breaks up with her and leaves. She then gets a bad feeling and returns to find Tess mutilating her fucking wings, and basically committing suicide, because âif she canât have Arriane, she wants nothing at all.â
Which is so manipulative, and so fucked up, and so unhealthy. So Arriane tries to save her, which ends up getting her seriously injured, and she ends up having to leave after telling Tess, âI love you and will never love another.â And leaves. And guess what? She never loves another. Never even tries.
But all three of these characters say they believe in love, and fight for Daniel and Luceâs love, but gives up on their own??? How is that fair?? Itâs like Daniel and Luce are the only ones who get to be happy.
Cam goes back to a toxic relationship.
And Roland and Arriane end up alone.
And letâs just rip on Daniel for a second. This man is so self-absorbed to see his friends suffering and doesnât care. Cam gets his heart broken, and what does he do? âWhy donât you just tell her?â Bro, thatâs his decision. And then brings up Lucinda as if to rub it in his face. When Cam said, âIâm lonely,â that made me so heartbroken. His relationship and favorite brother made him feel alone. I never said, âI WAS lonely,â he used current tense, meaning even with Lilith, he felt lonely, and those are the worst relationships. Daniel also doesnât cry about Gabbe and Molly sacrificing themselves for his story. He doesnât thank any of his friends for helping, he even says it was âexpectedâ of them. Heâs a terrible friend who only cared about Luce.
Bruh. So whatâs the moral of the story here? I seriously canât figure it out. Stay devoted to your first love? Love is impossible? Thereâs no underlying meaning, or moral here. Thereâs no lesson to be learned.
All three of the previously mentioned characters deserve their own book, on overcoming their individual traumas and heartbreaks. Why are we perpetuating this idea that people should stay with their first love??? Itâs not uncommon that people mistake their first love, which is usually just infatuation, or lust, or obsession, with love.
But love is gentle. Love is kind. Love is understanding, and patient. Love doesnât yell at you, love doesnât hit you. Love doesnât manipulate you. Love doesnât own you. Love isnât apathetic, love is empathetic.
Itâs okay not to work out with your first love. If at first you donât succeed, try again! And again, and again. But you canât love someone else, if you canât even love yourself. Until you accept your own flaws, youâre not going to be happy with someone else.
All of these characters need to learn to love themselves first, and look for the love within themselves. They were all so obsessed with the idea of being in love, that they ignored all of the red flags. They all wanted a love like Daniel and Luceâs, but fail to realize that no two relationships are the same. Love is unique. Itâs different for everyone. You shouldnât compare your love to someone elseâs, nor to love you had before. Never compare.
Not to your friendsâ relationship, or your past relationship, or youâll never succeed. It would be so great to see these characters forgive their past, and move forward, to move on. In breaking up, you learn so much about yourself. What you can handle, how strong you are, how capable you are, you learn your flaws, and what you can change about yourself, and most importantly, you learn what love isnât.
All of this is to prepare you for your next relationship. Love should nourish you, it should help you grow, you should learn from it, and be happy, most of all.
And not just romantic love, but platonic and self-love too; which is what the three of them need. I wouldâve love to see them coming together again, and see them being friends with Shelby and Miles still. Iâm not impressed that theyâre still dedicated and devoted to their exes. I think theyâre holding themselves back, and preventing themselves from being happy. I absolutely am not impressed, I donât admire it. I think itâs unhealthy and perpetuates toxic relationships and mindsets.
Theyâre immortals, and theyâve chosen to spend eternity alone. Even if Lilith loves Cam, when she dies, heâll never move in after her; because he never learned how to love anyone else. He doesnât want to.
I want them to experience real love, not fabricated, romanticized ideals of love; but real, happy, fun, love. Itâs not always easy, itâs going to hurt, but itâs worth it.
I want them all to find someone who loves them for them, and brings out the best in them. Someone who encourages them to find love, even after theyâre gone. They deserve to have so many epic loves.
Love is hope. Love is also betrayal. Yes youâll get your heartbroken, but donât ever give up. Love is worth it, above all. There are so many novels, and quotes that Iâd love to add, but this is just a rant no one will see, that I just needed to get off my chest, lol.
OMG why didnât i see this post earlier????
first of all, let me say, being a Fallen fan feels like iâm alone in the world, like this fandom just feels so dead, and it makes me so happy to find relatively recent posts of people discussing it and having opinions. fuck yeah, letâs start conversations!!!
and yeah i completely agree with your post, a lot of elements in this series are fucked up, and Unforgiven just never felt right to me. and the whole series in general is just too focused on Luce & Daniel, and we barely get to know the other characters outside of the context of this main couple. like everything we know about Cam or Arriane or Gabbe is always through the lens of what they did FOR, AGAINST, SIMILARLY or DIFFERENTLY from Daniel & Luce, and not as though they are individuals. i think thatâs the reason why all of their love stories are fucked up, because they are supposed to be a contrast to Luce & Danielâs happy ending. the whole reason why iâve been a fan of this series for 6 years is this consistent feeling of being dissatisfied yet intrigued by the side charactersâ backstories. like i would love to learn more about the whole angelic hierarchy, the relationships that they have with each other, and just everything that ISNâT Luce & Daniel
Yesss!! First of all, it is so awesome to meet another Fallen fan. I get exactly what you mean.
Secondly, YES. I wanted to know more about them! Like what the Fall was like, how did they find each other, were they close in Heaven, etc. I wanted to hear more about their relationship to each other. Or more about their powers. In Fallen in Love, Roland is the angel of music; which?? Thatâs literally Lucifer. If you arenât going to follow what the Angels actually are, it would make more sense to have Cam be the angel of music, since he loves music so much, and it would explain why he liked Lilith. (Because it wasnât for her personality) and speaking of, what was Cam the angel of anyway? Iâd like to know.
Or how in Rapture, Roland and Cam cry when Daniel and Luce are becoming human, but in Unforgiven, Lucifer is like, âdemons canât cryâ and their tears are acid. What??? But they cried?? In Rapture??? At the end??? Girl.
I love seeing the discussion in the comments, and again I fully agree. We all seem to have a consensus that Unforgiven just shits the rest of the story in the face. I also really hated the way Luciferâs character was portrayed, like yes he is a villain, but in the other books he was cunning and executed his plans with ambition and class; in Unforgiven he downright bullies Cam and just acts nasty, and I donât see that aligning with his personality.
Also, on a different note, thereâs definitely some holes in the worldbuilding when it comes to angelsâ powers and ranks, like we know that Lucinda is 3rd and Lucifer is 1st in the line, but they never really explore how Gabbe fits into this dynamic, being number 2. I could totally see them as a power trio. Itâs also not completely clear to me how it works that Gabbe, Arriane & Annabelle have fallen during the fall, but Heaven has taken them back soon after, but they still walk the earth during the story???
Roland is supposedly the Angel of Music, but we rarely see him doing music; tbh being the Angel of Bonfire Frat Parties would probably suit him better.
Also!!! Are we gonna talk about how in the first book Cam tried to seduce Luce, and then?? They all act like that was completely normal? Like, if Lilith is supposedly Camâs only love and the only girl he cared about, what was the whole purpose of trying to smash with Luce there? At that point, they all thought that Luce was gonna go up in flames like usual, so it couldnât have been a serious attempt from Camâs side. Maybe he was just bored?
Alsooo, Iâm getting kind of carried away here, but I canât help but wonder if any of our main cast members have any kids. Like we learn about the Nephilim, so we know that itâs more than possible for them to procreate, and I would BET AN ARM that out of the main cast, not everyone is a virgin. They had to spend those 7000 years doing SOMETHING. Might be a bit far-fetched, but I could easily imagine Lucifer having like a dozen or so kids that just accumulated during the centuries.
Ohmygod, I love this, because I also have thought of this! Itâs obvious Cam and Roland arenât virgins, so it would be nice to know if they had a line running around, or if Lucifer started the Nephilim with Eve. I would loved more world building, even just more information about the school. Like, they eat lunch. But what about breakfast. Or dinner.
I also was insanely confused about Camâs relationship with Luce. In the short story, Angels in the Dark, or whatever it was called, Cam said that he âonce had a chanceâ with Luce, and how he could âlook at her all day,â but Unforgiven came after, and suddenly Lilith is the only girl he ever loved? What about the girl in that story that he left on a rooftop? Thatâs more romantic than all the backtracking in Unforgiven, and goes with his story. I wouldâve like to know why he kept flirting with Luce, or why Dee said that Luce always had âcomplicated feelingsâ for Cam in other lives, but youâre not going to explore that? I want to know WHY. Was there something between them? I get the vibe he did it to fuck with Daniel, but it wouldâve been nice if they said that.
I wanted to know more about Gabbe and Molly. We lost them too quickly, and it felt like their deaths, and Pennâs were just bad writing. Just shock value. They never tell us what exactly hit Penn, or why we never see that happen again when the Angels fight.
I also wanted to know more about Lucifer. He had such good potential as the villain, but Unforgiven reduced him to this cliche bully with no real motive other than to be the antagonist for Camâs story. We didnât even get to see key aspects of their personalities in the other book: like Camâs temper, or his sassy, snarky comebacks, or dark humor. We didnât get to see Lucifer being a goofball, like when he was Bill. âIf I do not practice, I wonât win any medalsâ will never not be funny lol.
I have so many rants I could go on, especially about Cam, because heâs my comfort character and I love him forever; but his story was so boring and a serious let down. Also, they changed his name in the show to Cam JORDAN. JORDAN? Seriously? Lame. Cambriel is so beautiful, and it never dawned on me that it was an angelic name, I thought Cam Briel was a normal name until Rapture when they said, âCambrielâ and I was like, âoooooooh okâ Cambriel is even the name of a real angel, so itâs such a neat little Easter egg, but to disrespect my boy like thatâŠ
Cam Jordan. Ugh.
Omfg donât even bring up the Cam Jordan thing, when I first heard it I was like what the fuck. The makers of the show just change things for changeâs sake, I donât see any storytelling purpose behind these adjustments, and these details are so important for the fans. And yeah I also love how Camâs real name is Cambriel and he just broke it apart to form his last name.
With the Unforgiven thing, I lowkey have this headcanon that Cam and Lucifer have a complicated, semi-intimate relationship, and I think Lucifer was just trying to sabotage the Lilith-mission because he didnât wanna lose Cam. I get the vibe that the two of them have a long history together, and despite Cam being an inner circle demon, they seem to sabotage each other all the time. Lucifer insisted that if Cam fails the wager, he has to return to his right hand side, so I feel like they are important to each other. I dunno, Iâm a sucker for a homoerotic dynamic, and they definitely have a potential there.
And yeah, I reckon Cam, Roland, Lucifer are definitely not virgins, they have too much rizz for that. And donât forget about Arriane! In Fallen in Love, she and Tess are literally hugging naked, so I donât buy it for a second that they kept it innocent.
Iâm so glad you brought up Bill, his humour is fucking lethal, I love it so much. Thatâs the main reason why I love Lucifer, heâs just so sharp and funny, yet deeply knowledgeable but he also has a sad side to him. When they are in Tahiti with Luce and her past self is making out with Daniel, he goes:
âWake me up when they get to the good stuff,â he said, yawning. âPervert!â She wanted to slug him, but she didnât want to touch him. âI mean the tattooing, gutter-brain. Iâm into tats, okay?â
Besides being hilarious, this scene is also a subtle hint about the tattoos that he marks his demons with. Legendary.
And on the Cam/Luce relationship, I get the vibe that Cam wasnât actually serious about it, he just wanted to annoy with Daniel. I guess after living for 7000 years, your social behaviour standards are just not the same, like he must have been so bored and just didnât give a fuck anymore. And I guess, Luce is attractive so he was like âwhatever, why notâ
YESS. Lucifer became one of my favorite angels in the story because of his time as Bill. I donât care what anyone says. He and Luce had way more chemistry than she did with Daniel. I found myself rooting for him, because he was just so unique and funny.
And SCREAMING because I also got that vibe from Cam and Lucifer! The night Cam left Lilith and Daniel, he was talking about suicide, so it wouldâve been bittersweet to see him going to Lucifer, who refuses to kill his brother, but instead, offers him a spot as his right hand. Lucifer ALSO had his heartbroken, so I could definitely see him bonding with Cam. Iâm so disappointed we never got more of his relationship with Lucifer. It wouldâve made more sense if Unforgiven, he was jealous that Cam had chosen Daniel over him, and was afraid to lose Cam even more, which is why heâs sabotages his relationship. It would also give him that toxic brother trait that Lauren tried so hard to paint for him. He just never gave âtoxic exâ vibes to me, Luce just seemed like she enjoyed male attention (no shame, get it, girl) Lucifer and Cam wouldâve been such a fun duo to watch, and explore. Iâm glad someone picked up on these two, because I adored their dynamic, and wouldâve loved to see it more in-depth. Innocent Cam who just crossed sides being corrupted by his charming, devious brother? Ugh. We were ROBBED.
I was so hyped for her and Danielâs romance, because theyâd been building it for four books, just for their love story to begin with him hugging her and doing the bare minimum?? What.
Iâm literally screaming and giggling right now, I just feel so understood.
Everytime I try to write fanfic-bits about Cam and Lucifer, it immediately turns into this dynamic, I canât even help it, these characters just have their own free will at this point.
Also, little bit of a different note, but can we acknowledge that Lucinda actually cheated on Lucifer? And that never gets discussed in the story, ever??? She always gets depicted as the person in the right, but she when her relationship had troubles, she went off to hook up with Daniel instead of working it out with Lucifer first. If I was in Luciferâs shoes, Iâd fucking curse her too. And her whole relationship with Daniel is always described as pure, but she literally kissed Cam, Miles, Lucifer, Trevor, which btw no slutshaming, I actually support this, but I just wish the story embraced this instead of acting like the Daniel-thing was a starcrossed soulmates once-in-a-lifetime thing.
So, Iâve been obsessed with Lauren Kateâs Fallen series for years, but recently rereading it and Camâs book, Unforgiven, I realize some things Iâd like to critique. Spoilers, obviously; and tw for DA and Self-harm, gore, suicide
First, Camâs character is completely retconned in his book. In Passion, they tell us that Lilith, his love interest, holds him down and screams in his face, and belittles him so badly he actually believes what she says.
In his book, Unforgiven, the author just lazily says, âCam just imagined that!! That never actually happened.â
Except it did. We know this, because we werenât looking from Camâs POV, we were looking through Danielâs, the main character because was there when it happened. He even says the two would constantly fight, all the time, so loud that the entire village could hear them. I donât find that romantic.
After this moment, Cam joins Lucifer and even self-harms because heâs so upset. He completely gives up on love. In unforgiven, it says he never moves on from her, and every time he felt something for another girl, heâd leave before it got too serious. Unforgiven is just about him going back to Lilith, who was also retconned.
First, am I suppose to be impressed that he never moved on? That he held on to this toxic ass relationship? I know the author has this thing for all of her characters, where they all devote themselves to one person, and thatâs it.
For Daniel and Luce, that worked. For everyone else, it didnât. Tess and Arriane were toxic. Roland gave up and kept walls up for thousands of years, and will never let anyone else it. So really, only Daniel and Luce got a happy ending. But weâll get back into that in a moment.
Back to Lilith; we know Lilith was retconned because Daniel tells us that she was beautiful, but mean. She dumped Cam because of a church and verbally and physically abuses him, and has to be pulled off by Daniel. (Also why is Cam dating a teenager in high school anyway? Weirdo. Normalize immortals dating college girls and not minors)
We also know from Torment that Lilith had children, who (as she tells Cam in Passion) that she would curse all of her children to hate him, every female from her bloodline would hate him. And surprise! Torment, we meet Lilith, a direct descendant of Lilith who hates Cam, and sheâs JUST as mean, as stated by Shelby, who said Lilith caught her hair on fire in middle school.
But in Unforgiven, after they retconned that scene with âOMG NO, cam made that up!1!1!â Lilith ends up committing suicide because she was so heartbroken by Cam leaving her. She dies in her wedding dress.
How did she manage to have kids if that scene never happened? Why do they hate Cam, if he just imagined that scene? Why does Daniel mention it, and pretty clearly makes it obvious he didnât like Lilith.
I donât like Unforgiven, because it was retconned and changed the canon; it doesnât make sense, and I hate that cam went back to a toxic relationship. Like, she STILL hates him in the book; they fight every chapter, and it takes place in 15 days. Thatâs a lot of fucking fighting. Thatâs not healthy. Thatâs not love.
Itâs not uncommon that people cling to their first love, even if itâs toxic, because they donât want to see the red flags. They want to believe in love; and Cam is so naive, and itâs his first love ever, so of course heâd cling to it. She yelled in his face, they fought all the time, she held him down, which is domestic and emotional abuse. She degraded him. And he goes back to her in Unforgiven.
The author loves this toxic relationship and I donât know why. Itâs like none of her characters can move on from their first loves. Lucifer is still obsessed with Lucinda, Daniel is obsessed with Lucinda, Arriane never gets over Tess, Roland never gets over Roseline, and Cam never gets over Lilith.
Everyone, except Daniel, gives up on love. And itâs like Daniel gets rewarded with that by ending up with Lucinda, but no one else gets a happy ending. The author has this idea of first love and devotion being romantic.
She basically gives Cam this cliche, making-a-bet trope, and with the devil, of course; and itâs just him trying to get Lilith to love him? And he changes for her, because yknow, thatâs all women are good for. Changing bad men into good men. (Insert dramatic eye roll here)
His story shouldâve been about forgiving himself, loving HIMSELF, and moving past this trauma. It shouldâve been about him learning to love again, and letting go of the past. It shouldâve been about healing, and he couldâve found a love interest too; someone who understands him and helps him heal, not change but heal, and accepts him for who, and what, he is. He deserves a healthy love that doesnât fight with him constantly.
But letâs look at the canon now. It ends with them leaving Hell, because they won. Now what. Itâs left on a cliff hanger, because no one wants to face the inevitable: their relationship is doomed.
Lilith has been in Hell for seven thousand years. Her recent life, the only life she currently knows, she left behind. Her brother, her mother, her friends, everything she knows. Sheâll go to the modern world, which sheâs never been in. She wonât know any of the worldâs history, she wonât know the music, or technology, or anything about it. She will be a fish out of water, an outcast. Sheâll definitely struggle to fit in, and this will most likely cause fights between them. Sheâll resent Cam. She wonât be able to have a life, because where does she fit in with the new world? Without friends? Without her family? Lilith will struggle with the idea that Cam wonât age, and she will, because thatâs who Lilith is. Sure, the angels and Nephilim will help her, we assume; but sheâll crave human companionship; but she wouldnât even know where to start. Does she go to college, where she doesnât know anything? I doubt the Devil was teaching her basic school stuff during her time in Hell; (a lazy author would say he was, but we know heâs an asshole in the series, and canonically, he wouldnât.) so where does that leave them? Cam is her only friend? I can only imagine how many fights that will cause
She has a temper, like seriously bad, thereâs no way her and Cam will work out; which what happens then? Even if they do work out, cam never learned to love anyone besides her. He still ends up alone, and giving up on love. She never gets ANY character development at all. She never worked on her temper, which seems like a generational curse. I also hate that we get ZERO backstory on Cam. I want to know his story! How HE felt about The Fall, things heâs done, how he got so good at traveling through Announcers, seeing his powers as an Archangel, and just being introduced into more characters. Or like Lucifer, I wanted more about their bond. Like the tattoo on Camâs neck, and the night he joined Luciferâs side. This book was about Lilith, not Cam; I donât even like Lilith.
Iâm just unhappy with the book. I love the author, and the characters, but I definitely think she dropped the ball with Unforgiven. Camâs story let me down.
Letâs talk about Fallen in Love, which is a short story about how all of the previously mentioned characters got their hearts broken.
Letâs start with Cam, because itâll be short; because Iâve already talked about him.
We find Cam, who just got dumped by Lilith, self-harming under a waterfall. Water is deadly to Angels wings, so where is he? Laying underneath a waterfall, as it âbrutalizesâ his body. His body is one big purple bruise, and his wings are bleeding. Heâs joined Luciferâs side and became a demon, because heâs spiraling after the breakup. He had given up on love.
Clearly this scene broke my heart. I hate that we get this scene, just to know he gets back with Lilith. It sickens me.
He proceeds to lash out at Roland, who then also gives up on love.
Rolandâs story is that heâs a POC, always has been, and he feels comfortable in his skin. Roseline is a beautiful, blond rich girl who takes a liking to him. Sheâs human. Theyâre in love. Sheâs the only person who didnât see him for the color of his skin, and for who he was inside. He wants to be with her, but heâs afraid because heâs a demon, and immortal. After going to Cam, who will convince him not to ever love humans, because they canât be married in churches, and because theyâll never love him if they find out what they are; Roland will go to Roseline, and leave her. Heâll put up walls, and never let anyone else in again. He literally says this. (Also why a white girl?? Especially during that time? Weâve seen Roland as a slave, it wouldâve been nice seeing him advocating for his people, or doing something. Imagine him dating a pretty biracial girl, or any POC girl, leading a BLM rally in 2021 đ© him dating a rich white girl feels weird to me)
Arrianeâs story is that she in an Angel who is in love with a demon named Tess. Lucifer doesnât want any of the demons to date (because yknow he got dumped by Luce, so he punished everyone else. Very clichĂ© villain motives) so Lucifer tells Tess that she canât be with Arriane, unless she can convince her to join the demons. Tess relays this message to Arriane, but Arriane politely explains that she canât, and wonât. I respect her decision, because it IS her decision. She decides that she has to break up with Tess, who then fucking assaults her. She starts hitting Arriane, and causing her to bleed, and literally has the audacity to say itâs âfor loveâ and because sheâs showing her that how hard she would âfightâ for their love.
Uh no, honey. Youâre just physically assaulting your girlfriend. Thatâs not love. Please stop.
So naturally, Arriane breaks up with her and leaves. She then gets a bad feeling and returns to find Tess mutilating her fucking wings, and basically committing suicide, because âif she canât have Arriane, she wants nothing at all.â
Which is so manipulative, and so fucked up, and so unhealthy. So Arriane tries to save her, which ends up getting her seriously injured, and she ends up having to leave after telling Tess, âI love you and will never love another.â And leaves. And guess what? She never loves another. Never even tries.
But all three of these characters say they believe in love, and fight for Daniel and Luceâs love, but gives up on their own??? How is that fair?? Itâs like Daniel and Luce are the only ones who get to be happy.
Cam goes back to a toxic relationship.
And Roland and Arriane end up alone.
And letâs just rip on Daniel for a second. This man is so self-absorbed to see his friends suffering and doesnât care. Cam gets his heart broken, and what does he do? âWhy donât you just tell her?â Bro, thatâs his decision. And then brings up Lucinda as if to rub it in his face. When Cam said, âIâm lonely,â that made me so heartbroken. His relationship and favorite brother made him feel alone. I never said, âI WAS lonely,â he used current tense, meaning even with Lilith, he felt lonely, and those are the worst relationships. Daniel also doesnât cry about Gabbe and Molly sacrificing themselves for his story. He doesnât thank any of his friends for helping, he even says it was âexpectedâ of them. Heâs a terrible friend who only cared about Luce.
Bruh. So whatâs the moral of the story here? I seriously canât figure it out. Stay devoted to your first love? Love is impossible? Thereâs no underlying meaning, or moral here. Thereâs no lesson to be learned.
All three of the previously mentioned characters deserve their own book, on overcoming their individual traumas and heartbreaks. Why are we perpetuating this idea that people should stay with their first love??? Itâs not uncommon that people mistake their first love, which is usually just infatuation, or lust, or obsession, with love.
But love is gentle. Love is kind. Love is understanding, and patient. Love doesnât yell at you, love doesnât hit you. Love doesnât manipulate you. Love doesnât own you. Love isnât apathetic, love is empathetic.
Itâs okay not to work out with your first love. If at first you donât succeed, try again! And again, and again. But you canât love someone else, if you canât even love yourself. Until you accept your own flaws, youâre not going to be happy with someone else.
All of these characters need to learn to love themselves first, and look for the love within themselves. They were all so obsessed with the idea of being in love, that they ignored all of the red flags. They all wanted a love like Daniel and Luceâs, but fail to realize that no two relationships are the same. Love is unique. Itâs different for everyone. You shouldnât compare your love to someone elseâs, nor to love you had before. Never compare.
Not to your friendsâ relationship, or your past relationship, or youâll never succeed. It would be so great to see these characters forgive their past, and move forward, to move on. In breaking up, you learn so much about yourself. What you can handle, how strong you are, how capable you are, you learn your flaws, and what you can change about yourself, and most importantly, you learn what love isnât.
All of this is to prepare you for your next relationship. Love should nourish you, it should help you grow, you should learn from it, and be happy, most of all.
And not just romantic love, but platonic and self-love too; which is what the three of them need. I wouldâve love to see them coming together again, and see them being friends with Shelby and Miles still. Iâm not impressed that theyâre still dedicated and devoted to their exes. I think theyâre holding themselves back, and preventing themselves from being happy. I absolutely am not impressed, I donât admire it. I think itâs unhealthy and perpetuates toxic relationships and mindsets.
Theyâre immortals, and theyâve chosen to spend eternity alone. Even if Lilith loves Cam, when she dies, heâll never move in after her; because he never learned how to love anyone else. He doesnât want to.
I want them to experience real love, not fabricated, romanticized ideals of love; but real, happy, fun, love. Itâs not always easy, itâs going to hurt, but itâs worth it.
I want them all to find someone who loves them for them, and brings out the best in them. Someone who encourages them to find love, even after theyâre gone. They deserve to have so many epic loves.
Love is hope. Love is also betrayal. Yes youâll get your heartbroken, but donât ever give up. Love is worth it, above all. There are so many novels, and quotes that Iâd love to add, but this is just a rant no one will see, that I just needed to get off my chest, lol.
OMG why didnât i see this post earlier????
first of all, let me say, being a Fallen fan feels like iâm alone in the world, like this fandom just feels so dead, and it makes me so happy to find relatively recent posts of people discussing it and having opinions. fuck yeah, letâs start conversations!!!
and yeah i completely agree with your post, a lot of elements in this series are fucked up, and Unforgiven just never felt right to me. and the whole series in general is just too focused on Luce & Daniel, and we barely get to know the other characters outside of the context of this main couple. like everything we know about Cam or Arriane or Gabbe is always through the lens of what they did FOR, AGAINST, SIMILARLY or DIFFERENTLY from Daniel & Luce, and not as though they are individuals. i think thatâs the reason why all of their love stories are fucked up, because they are supposed to be a contrast to Luce & Danielâs happy ending. the whole reason why iâve been a fan of this series for 6 years is this consistent feeling of being dissatisfied yet intrigued by the side charactersâ backstories. like i would love to learn more about the whole angelic hierarchy, the relationships that they have with each other, and just everything that ISNâT Luce & Daniel
Yesss!! First of all, it is so awesome to meet another Fallen fan. I get exactly what you mean.
Secondly, YES. I wanted to know more about them! Like what the Fall was like, how did they find each other, were they close in Heaven, etc. I wanted to hear more about their relationship to each other. Or more about their powers. In Fallen in Love, Roland is the angel of music; which?? Thatâs literally Lucifer. If you arenât going to follow what the Angels actually are, it would make more sense to have Cam be the angel of music, since he loves music so much, and it would explain why he liked Lilith. (Because it wasnât for her personality) and speaking of, what was Cam the angel of anyway? Iâd like to know.
Or how in Rapture, Roland and Cam cry when Daniel and Luce are becoming human, but in Unforgiven, Lucifer is like, âdemons canât cryâ and their tears are acid. What??? But they cried?? In Rapture??? At the end??? Girl.
I love seeing the discussion in the comments, and again I fully agree. We all seem to have a consensus that Unforgiven just shits the rest of the story in the face. I also really hated the way Luciferâs character was portrayed, like yes he is a villain, but in the other books he was cunning and executed his plans with ambition and class; in Unforgiven he downright bullies Cam and just acts nasty, and I donât see that aligning with his personality.
Also, on a different note, thereâs definitely some holes in the worldbuilding when it comes to angelsâ powers and ranks, like we know that Lucinda is 3rd and Lucifer is 1st in the line, but they never really explore how Gabbe fits into this dynamic, being number 2. I could totally see them as a power trio. Itâs also not completely clear to me how it works that Gabbe, Arriane & Annabelle have fallen during the fall, but Heaven has taken them back soon after, but they still walk the earth during the story???
Roland is supposedly the Angel of Music, but we rarely see him doing music; tbh being the Angel of Bonfire Frat Parties would probably suit him better.
Also!!! Are we gonna talk about how in the first book Cam tried to seduce Luce, and then?? They all act like that was completely normal? Like, if Lilith is supposedly Camâs only love and the only girl he cared about, what was the whole purpose of trying to smash with Luce there? At that point, they all thought that Luce was gonna go up in flames like usual, so it couldnât have been a serious attempt from Camâs side. Maybe he was just bored?
Alsooo, Iâm getting kind of carried away here, but I canât help but wonder if any of our main cast members have any kids. Like we learn about the Nephilim, so we know that itâs more than possible for them to procreate, and I would BET AN ARM that out of the main cast, not everyone is a virgin. They had to spend those 7000 years doing SOMETHING. Might be a bit far-fetched, but I could easily imagine Lucifer having like a dozen or so kids that just accumulated during the centuries.
Ohmygod, I love this, because I also have thought of this! Itâs obvious Cam and Roland arenât virgins, so it would be nice to know if they had a line running around, or if Lucifer started the Nephilim with Eve. I would loved more world building, even just more information about the school. Like, they eat lunch. But what about breakfast. Or dinner.
I also was insanely confused about Camâs relationship with Luce. In the short story, Angels in the Dark, or whatever it was called, Cam said that he âonce had a chanceâ with Luce, and how he could âlook at her all day,â but Unforgiven came after, and suddenly Lilith is the only girl he ever loved? What about the girl in that story that he left on a rooftop? Thatâs more romantic than all the backtracking in Unforgiven, and goes with his story. I wouldâve like to know why he kept flirting with Luce, or why Dee said that Luce always had âcomplicated feelingsâ for Cam in other lives, but youâre not going to explore that? I want to know WHY. Was there something between them? I get the vibe he did it to fuck with Daniel, but it wouldâve been nice if they said that.
I wanted to know more about Gabbe and Molly. We lost them too quickly, and it felt like their deaths, and Pennâs were just bad writing. Just shock value. They never tell us what exactly hit Penn, or why we never see that happen again when the Angels fight.
I also wanted to know more about Lucifer. He had such good potential as the villain, but Unforgiven reduced him to this cliche bully with no real motive other than to be the antagonist for Camâs story. We didnât even get to see key aspects of their personalities in the other book: like Camâs temper, or his sassy, snarky comebacks, or dark humor. We didnât get to see Lucifer being a goofball, like when he was Bill. âIf I do not practice, I wonât win any medalsâ will never not be funny lol.
I have so many rants I could go on, especially about Cam, because heâs my comfort character and I love him forever; but his story was so boring and a serious let down. Also, they changed his name in the show to Cam JORDAN. JORDAN? Seriously? Lame. Cambriel is so beautiful, and it never dawned on me that it was an angelic name, I thought Cam Briel was a normal name until Rapture when they said, âCambrielâ and I was like, âoooooooh okâ Cambriel is even the name of a real angel, so itâs such a neat little Easter egg, but to disrespect my boy like thatâŠ
Cam Jordan. Ugh.
Omfg donât even bring up the Cam Jordan thing, when I first heard it I was like what the fuck. The makers of the show just change things for changeâs sake, I donât see any storytelling purpose behind these adjustments, and these details are so important for the fans. And yeah I also love how Camâs real name is Cambriel and he just broke it apart to form his last name.
With the Unforgiven thing, I lowkey have this headcanon that Cam and Lucifer have a complicated, semi-intimate relationship, and I think Lucifer was just trying to sabotage the Lilith-mission because he didnât wanna lose Cam. I get the vibe that the two of them have a long history together, and despite Cam being an inner circle demon, they seem to sabotage each other all the time. Lucifer insisted that if Cam fails the wager, he has to return to his right hand side, so I feel like they are important to each other. I dunno, Iâm a sucker for a homoerotic dynamic, and they definitely have a potential there.
And yeah, I reckon Cam, Roland, Lucifer are definitely not virgins, they have too much rizz for that. And donât forget about Arriane! In Fallen in Love, she and Tess are literally hugging naked, so I donât buy it for a second that they kept it innocent.
Iâm so glad you brought up Bill, his humour is fucking lethal, I love it so much. Thatâs the main reason why I love Lucifer, heâs just so sharp and funny, yet deeply knowledgeable but he also has a sad side to him. When they are in Tahiti with Luce and her past self is making out with Daniel, he goes:
âWake me up when they get to the good stuff,â he said, yawning. âPervert!â She wanted to slug him, but she didnât want to touch him. âI mean the tattooing, gutter-brain. Iâm into tats, okay?â
Besides being hilarious, this scene is also a subtle hint about the tattoos that he marks his demons with. Legendary.
And on the Cam/Luce relationship, I get the vibe that Cam wasnât actually serious about it, he just wanted to annoy with Daniel. I guess after living for 7000 years, your social behaviour standards are just not the same, like he must have been so bored and just didnât give a fuck anymore. And I guess, Luce is attractive so he was like âwhatever, why notâ
So, Iâve been obsessed with Lauren Kateâs Fallen series for years, but recently rereading it and Camâs book, Unforgiven, I realize some things Iâd like to critique. Spoilers, obviously; and tw for DA and Self-harm, gore, suicide
First, Camâs character is completely retconned in his book. In Passion, they tell us that Lilith, his love interest, holds him down and screams in his face, and belittles him so badly he actually believes what she says.
In his book, Unforgiven, the author just lazily says, âCam just imagined that!! That never actually happened.â
Except it did. We know this, because we werenât looking from Camâs POV, we were looking through Danielâs, the main character because was there when it happened. He even says the two would constantly fight, all the time, so loud that the entire village could hear them. I donât find that romantic.
After this moment, Cam joins Lucifer and even self-harms because heâs so upset. He completely gives up on love. In unforgiven, it says he never moves on from her, and every time he felt something for another girl, heâd leave before it got too serious. Unforgiven is just about him going back to Lilith, who was also retconned.
First, am I suppose to be impressed that he never moved on? That he held on to this toxic ass relationship? I know the author has this thing for all of her characters, where they all devote themselves to one person, and thatâs it.
For Daniel and Luce, that worked. For everyone else, it didnât. Tess and Arriane were toxic. Roland gave up and kept walls up for thousands of years, and will never let anyone else it. So really, only Daniel and Luce got a happy ending. But weâll get back into that in a moment.
Back to Lilith; we know Lilith was retconned because Daniel tells us that she was beautiful, but mean. She dumped Cam because of a church and verbally and physically abuses him, and has to be pulled off by Daniel. (Also why is Cam dating a teenager in high school anyway? Weirdo. Normalize immortals dating college girls and not minors)
We also know from Torment that Lilith had children, who (as she tells Cam in Passion) that she would curse all of her children to hate him, every female from her bloodline would hate him. And surprise! Torment, we meet Lilith, a direct descendant of Lilith who hates Cam, and sheâs JUST as mean, as stated by Shelby, who said Lilith caught her hair on fire in middle school.
But in Unforgiven, after they retconned that scene with âOMG NO, cam made that up!1!1!â Lilith ends up committing suicide because she was so heartbroken by Cam leaving her. She dies in her wedding dress.
How did she manage to have kids if that scene never happened? Why do they hate Cam, if he just imagined that scene? Why does Daniel mention it, and pretty clearly makes it obvious he didnât like Lilith.
I donât like Unforgiven, because it was retconned and changed the canon; it doesnât make sense, and I hate that cam went back to a toxic relationship. Like, she STILL hates him in the book; they fight every chapter, and it takes place in 15 days. Thatâs a lot of fucking fighting. Thatâs not healthy. Thatâs not love.
Itâs not uncommon that people cling to their first love, even if itâs toxic, because they donât want to see the red flags. They want to believe in love; and Cam is so naive, and itâs his first love ever, so of course heâd cling to it. She yelled in his face, they fought all the time, she held him down, which is domestic and emotional abuse. She degraded him. And he goes back to her in Unforgiven.
The author loves this toxic relationship and I donât know why. Itâs like none of her characters can move on from their first loves. Lucifer is still obsessed with Lucinda, Daniel is obsessed with Lucinda, Arriane never gets over Tess, Roland never gets over Roseline, and Cam never gets over Lilith.
Everyone, except Daniel, gives up on love. And itâs like Daniel gets rewarded with that by ending up with Lucinda, but no one else gets a happy ending. The author has this idea of first love and devotion being romantic.
She basically gives Cam this cliche, making-a-bet trope, and with the devil, of course; and itâs just him trying to get Lilith to love him? And he changes for her, because yknow, thatâs all women are good for. Changing bad men into good men. (Insert dramatic eye roll here)
His story shouldâve been about forgiving himself, loving HIMSELF, and moving past this trauma. It shouldâve been about him learning to love again, and letting go of the past. It shouldâve been about healing, and he couldâve found a love interest too; someone who understands him and helps him heal, not change but heal, and accepts him for who, and what, he is. He deserves a healthy love that doesnât fight with him constantly.
But letâs look at the canon now. It ends with them leaving Hell, because they won. Now what. Itâs left on a cliff hanger, because no one wants to face the inevitable: their relationship is doomed.
Lilith has been in Hell for seven thousand years. Her recent life, the only life she currently knows, she left behind. Her brother, her mother, her friends, everything she knows. Sheâll go to the modern world, which sheâs never been in. She wonât know any of the worldâs history, she wonât know the music, or technology, or anything about it. She will be a fish out of water, an outcast. Sheâll definitely struggle to fit in, and this will most likely cause fights between them. Sheâll resent Cam. She wonât be able to have a life, because where does she fit in with the new world? Without friends? Without her family? Lilith will struggle with the idea that Cam wonât age, and she will, because thatâs who Lilith is. Sure, the angels and Nephilim will help her, we assume; but sheâll crave human companionship; but she wouldnât even know where to start. Does she go to college, where she doesnât know anything? I doubt the Devil was teaching her basic school stuff during her time in Hell; (a lazy author would say he was, but we know heâs an asshole in the series, and canonically, he wouldnât.) so where does that leave them? Cam is her only friend? I can only imagine how many fights that will cause
She has a temper, like seriously bad, thereâs no way her and Cam will work out; which what happens then? Even if they do work out, cam never learned to love anyone besides her. He still ends up alone, and giving up on love. She never gets ANY character development at all. She never worked on her temper, which seems like a generational curse. I also hate that we get ZERO backstory on Cam. I want to know his story! How HE felt about The Fall, things heâs done, how he got so good at traveling through Announcers, seeing his powers as an Archangel, and just being introduced into more characters. Or like Lucifer, I wanted more about their bond. Like the tattoo on Camâs neck, and the night he joined Luciferâs side. This book was about Lilith, not Cam; I donât even like Lilith.
Iâm just unhappy with the book. I love the author, and the characters, but I definitely think she dropped the ball with Unforgiven. Camâs story let me down.
Letâs talk about Fallen in Love, which is a short story about how all of the previously mentioned characters got their hearts broken.
Letâs start with Cam, because itâll be short; because Iâve already talked about him.
We find Cam, who just got dumped by Lilith, self-harming under a waterfall. Water is deadly to Angels wings, so where is he? Laying underneath a waterfall, as it âbrutalizesâ his body. His body is one big purple bruise, and his wings are bleeding. Heâs joined Luciferâs side and became a demon, because heâs spiraling after the breakup. He had given up on love.
Clearly this scene broke my heart. I hate that we get this scene, just to know he gets back with Lilith. It sickens me.
He proceeds to lash out at Roland, who then also gives up on love.
Rolandâs story is that heâs a POC, always has been, and he feels comfortable in his skin. Roseline is a beautiful, blond rich girl who takes a liking to him. Sheâs human. Theyâre in love. Sheâs the only person who didnât see him for the color of his skin, and for who he was inside. He wants to be with her, but heâs afraid because heâs a demon, and immortal. After going to Cam, who will convince him not to ever love humans, because they canât be married in churches, and because theyâll never love him if they find out what they are; Roland will go to Roseline, and leave her. Heâll put up walls, and never let anyone else in again. He literally says this. (Also why a white girl?? Especially during that time? Weâve seen Roland as a slave, it wouldâve been nice seeing him advocating for his people, or doing something. Imagine him dating a pretty biracial girl, or any POC girl, leading a BLM rally in 2021 đ© him dating a rich white girl feels weird to me)
Arrianeâs story is that she in an Angel who is in love with a demon named Tess. Lucifer doesnât want any of the demons to date (because yknow he got dumped by Luce, so he punished everyone else. Very clichĂ© villain motives) so Lucifer tells Tess that she canât be with Arriane, unless she can convince her to join the demons. Tess relays this message to Arriane, but Arriane politely explains that she canât, and wonât. I respect her decision, because it IS her decision. She decides that she has to break up with Tess, who then fucking assaults her. She starts hitting Arriane, and causing her to bleed, and literally has the audacity to say itâs âfor loveâ and because sheâs showing her that how hard she would âfightâ for their love.
Uh no, honey. Youâre just physically assaulting your girlfriend. Thatâs not love. Please stop.
So naturally, Arriane breaks up with her and leaves. She then gets a bad feeling and returns to find Tess mutilating her fucking wings, and basically committing suicide, because âif she canât have Arriane, she wants nothing at all.â
Which is so manipulative, and so fucked up, and so unhealthy. So Arriane tries to save her, which ends up getting her seriously injured, and she ends up having to leave after telling Tess, âI love you and will never love another.â And leaves. And guess what? She never loves another. Never even tries.
But all three of these characters say they believe in love, and fight for Daniel and Luceâs love, but gives up on their own??? How is that fair?? Itâs like Daniel and Luce are the only ones who get to be happy.
Cam goes back to a toxic relationship.
And Roland and Arriane end up alone.
And letâs just rip on Daniel for a second. This man is so self-absorbed to see his friends suffering and doesnât care. Cam gets his heart broken, and what does he do? âWhy donât you just tell her?â Bro, thatâs his decision. And then brings up Lucinda as if to rub it in his face. When Cam said, âIâm lonely,â that made me so heartbroken. His relationship and favorite brother made him feel alone. I never said, âI WAS lonely,â he used current tense, meaning even with Lilith, he felt lonely, and those are the worst relationships. Daniel also doesnât cry about Gabbe and Molly sacrificing themselves for his story. He doesnât thank any of his friends for helping, he even says it was âexpectedâ of them. Heâs a terrible friend who only cared about Luce.
Bruh. So whatâs the moral of the story here? I seriously canât figure it out. Stay devoted to your first love? Love is impossible? Thereâs no underlying meaning, or moral here. Thereâs no lesson to be learned.
All three of the previously mentioned characters deserve their own book, on overcoming their individual traumas and heartbreaks. Why are we perpetuating this idea that people should stay with their first love??? Itâs not uncommon that people mistake their first love, which is usually just infatuation, or lust, or obsession, with love.
But love is gentle. Love is kind. Love is understanding, and patient. Love doesnât yell at you, love doesnât hit you. Love doesnât manipulate you. Love doesnât own you. Love isnât apathetic, love is empathetic.
Itâs okay not to work out with your first love. If at first you donât succeed, try again! And again, and again. But you canât love someone else, if you canât even love yourself. Until you accept your own flaws, youâre not going to be happy with someone else.
All of these characters need to learn to love themselves first, and look for the love within themselves. They were all so obsessed with the idea of being in love, that they ignored all of the red flags. They all wanted a love like Daniel and Luceâs, but fail to realize that no two relationships are the same. Love is unique. Itâs different for everyone. You shouldnât compare your love to someone elseâs, nor to love you had before. Never compare.
Not to your friendsâ relationship, or your past relationship, or youâll never succeed. It would be so great to see these characters forgive their past, and move forward, to move on. In breaking up, you learn so much about yourself. What you can handle, how strong you are, how capable you are, you learn your flaws, and what you can change about yourself, and most importantly, you learn what love isnât.
All of this is to prepare you for your next relationship. Love should nourish you, it should help you grow, you should learn from it, and be happy, most of all.
And not just romantic love, but platonic and self-love too; which is what the three of them need. I wouldâve love to see them coming together again, and see them being friends with Shelby and Miles still. Iâm not impressed that theyâre still dedicated and devoted to their exes. I think theyâre holding themselves back, and preventing themselves from being happy. I absolutely am not impressed, I donât admire it. I think itâs unhealthy and perpetuates toxic relationships and mindsets.
Theyâre immortals, and theyâve chosen to spend eternity alone. Even if Lilith loves Cam, when she dies, heâll never move in after her; because he never learned how to love anyone else. He doesnât want to.
I want them to experience real love, not fabricated, romanticized ideals of love; but real, happy, fun, love. Itâs not always easy, itâs going to hurt, but itâs worth it.
I want them all to find someone who loves them for them, and brings out the best in them. Someone who encourages them to find love, even after theyâre gone. They deserve to have so many epic loves.
Love is hope. Love is also betrayal. Yes youâll get your heartbroken, but donât ever give up. Love is worth it, above all. There are so many novels, and quotes that Iâd love to add, but this is just a rant no one will see, that I just needed to get off my chest, lol.
OMG why didnât i see this post earlier????
first of all, let me say, being a Fallen fan feels like iâm alone in the world, like this fandom just feels so dead, and it makes me so happy to find relatively recent posts of people discussing it and having opinions. fuck yeah, letâs start conversations!!!
and yeah i completely agree with your post, a lot of elements in this series are fucked up, and Unforgiven just never felt right to me. and the whole series in general is just too focused on Luce & Daniel, and we barely get to know the other characters outside of the context of this main couple. like everything we know about Cam or Arriane or Gabbe is always through the lens of what they did FOR, AGAINST, SIMILARLY or DIFFERENTLY from Daniel & Luce, and not as though they are individuals. i think thatâs the reason why all of their love stories are fucked up, because they are supposed to be a contrast to Luce & Danielâs happy ending. the whole reason why iâve been a fan of this series for 6 years is this consistent feeling of being dissatisfied yet intrigued by the side charactersâ backstories. like i would love to learn more about the whole angelic hierarchy, the relationships that they have with each other, and just everything that ISNâT Luce & Daniel
Yesss!! First of all, it is so awesome to meet another Fallen fan. I get exactly what you mean.
Secondly, YES. I wanted to know more about them! Like what the Fall was like, how did they find each other, were they close in Heaven, etc. I wanted to hear more about their relationship to each other. Or more about their powers. In Fallen in Love, Roland is the angel of music; which?? Thatâs literally Lucifer. If you arenât going to follow what the Angels actually are, it would make more sense to have Cam be the angel of music, since he loves music so much, and it would explain why he liked Lilith. (Because it wasnât for her personality) and speaking of, what was Cam the angel of anyway? Iâd like to know.
Or how in Rapture, Roland and Cam cry when Daniel and Luce are becoming human, but in Unforgiven, Lucifer is like, âdemons canât cryâ and their tears are acid. What??? But they cried?? In Rapture??? At the end??? Girl.
I love seeing the discussion in the comments, and again I fully agree. We all seem to have a consensus that Unforgiven just shits the rest of the story in the face. I also really hated the way Luciferâs character was portrayed, like yes he is a villain, but in the other books he was cunning and executed his plans with ambition and class; in Unforgiven he downright bullies Cam and just acts nasty, and I donât see that aligning with his personality.
Also, on a different note, thereâs definitely some holes in the worldbuilding when it comes to angelsâ powers and ranks, like we know that Lucinda is 3rd and Lucifer is 1st in the line, but they never really explore how Gabbe fits into this dynamic, being number 2. I could totally see them as a power trio. Itâs also not completely clear to me how it works that Gabbe, Arriane & Annabelle have fallen during the fall, but Heaven has taken them back soon after, but they still walk the earth during the story???
Roland is supposedly the Angel of Music, but we rarely see him doing music; tbh being the Angel of Bonfire Frat Parties would probably suit him better.
Also!!! Are we gonna talk about how in the first book Cam tried to seduce Luce, and then?? They all act like that was completely normal? Like, if Lilith is supposedly Camâs only love and the only girl he cared about, what was the whole purpose of trying to smash with Luce there? At that point, they all thought that Luce was gonna go up in flames like usual, so it couldnât have been a serious attempt from Camâs side. Maybe he was just bored?
Alsooo, Iâm getting kind of carried away here, but I canât help but wonder if any of our main cast members have any kids. Like we learn about the Nephilim, so we know that itâs more than possible for them to procreate, and I would BET AN ARM that out of the main cast, not everyone is a virgin. They had to spend those 7000 years doing SOMETHING. Might be a bit far-fetched, but I could easily imagine Lucifer having like a dozen or so kids that just accumulated during the centuries.
I absolutely adore enemies-to-lovers and antagonist x protagonist ships. Not the patriarchal fantasy where some dudebro harasses a girl until sheâs suddenly into him but the epic, well-written, achingly slow burn ones where two equally powerful people with different worldviews clash and make each other question their beliefs. Where they have to look past their prejudices and loyalties because they connect with each other on a deeper level that they canât fully explain. I love the story of empathy, of redemption, of equal growth for both characters. In my opinion, those are the most satisfying and compelling of romances that there are (when they are done well).
the WIP thatâs been living inside my head for ages is exactly like this, and i dunno if i will ever properly write it out, but this definitely validates the concept
When your WIP doesnât write itself:
but why
can we please all take a moment of silence to mourn the loss of all of our ideas/dialogues for our fics that never made it to the fics because we didnât note down said ideas/dialogues and we cannot remember them anymore so now theyâre forever lost. thank you to all the lost ideas/dialogues for blessing our minds, even for a short time. gone and forgotten fr. rip
in all seriousness, note. them. down. Iâve had too many ideas/dialogues for my fics that are lost forever because I thought I wouldnât forget what they were, so I didnât note them down. and now all I know is that I once had these ideas, but I no longer remember what they were, only that they were on my mind once and now theyâre gone, and itâs hella frustrating.Â
note. everything. down. no matter how small the details are. you wonât regret it.
do you ever not write for so long that youâre almost afraid to? like what if Iâm dumb now
thatâs literally how i feel 99% of the time
Daniel: I've been subtly hinting to Luce that I like her for a long time now.
*Luce walks by*
Daniel: *flips her off*