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Hello folks, guess who is back! I literally fell in love with the Assassin's Creed Odyssey: The legacy of the first blade and the Xerxes portayal in the game was very visually accurate. I can say he is the most visually accurate fictional Xerxes. So I wanted to post about the art I latest made about the game that also containing my oc; Artaxsa. Artaxsa is a Scythian archer that gained Xerxes' trust. Their mutual relationship turned into a forbidden love but we will talk about it later :D I did a mosaic-like background for them because...why not!
Exposing myself during Pride Month because, at this point in my life, I don't care about anything and anyone.
I acknowledge that applying modern labels to historical figures is wrong for a variety of reasons, but I can't ignore the erasure of figures who may have been bi. Before anyone asks, yes, I'm specifically referring to Alexander the Great! I'm extremely tired of the debate over his sexuality, the fandomization of his image, and the erasure of the women who influenced his life.
I especially despise the "but he didn't father any heirs before his death" proof of him not being bi, as if Roxane/Roshanak's (previous) miscarriage, Barsine's son/Heracles (arguably, I admit), and Stateira I dying from complications in childbirth or a miscarriage mean NOTHING to you.
Since I'm on topic, the fictionalized version of Alexander I created for my OWN story will be aroace. I don't fucking care!
Explaining the Name Persephone
Φερσεφόνη. Nourish (φέρβεις) and murder(φονεύεις). (OH 29.15–16)
Περσεφόνη. Bringing (τὸ φέρω) and murder (τὸ φόνος). Or from Perseus the sun, meaning the growth of grain through the sun. Φερσεφόνη. Who have been killed (πεφονευμένοι) are brought (ἀποφέροντα) to her. (Etymologicum Genuinum s. v. Περσεφόνη; Φερσεφόνη)
Φερσεφόνη. the breath (πνεῦμα) that is carried (φερόμενον) through the fruits of the Earth (τῶν καρπῶν) and then perishes (φονευόμενον) (Plutarch, On Isis and Osiris, 377d.)
Φερσεφόνεια. she brings (φέρουσα) wealth (τὸ ἄφενος), that is riches (πλοῦτον), because of fruit (καρπόν), or from bringing profit (φέρειν ὄνησιν). (Hesychius s. v. Phersephoneia)
Φερσεφόνη. Bringing light (φωσφόρος). (Plutarch, On the Face, 942d)
Φερρέφαττα. For since things are in motion (φερόμενα), that which grasps (ἐφαπτόμενον) and touches (ἐπαφῶν) and is able to follow them is wisdom. Φερέπαφα. Because she is wise and touches that which is in motion (ἐπαφὴ τοῦ φερομένου). (Plato, Cratylus, 404c ff.)
Περσεφόνη. Because manual labour is hard work and brings hard work; or from the fact that hard work brings endurance (πόνων ὑπομονήν φέρεσθαι). (Cornutus, Greek Theology, 55.4-5)
Περσεφόνη. She was taken (πορθηθῆναι) and snatched (ἁρπασθῆναι) away from the light (φωτός) and sight (ὄψεως). Περσεφόνεια. She constantly kills (περισσῶς φονεύεσθαι) agricultural produce (καρπούς), which buried in the earth regrows through the sun. (Scholia vetera in Hesiodi Theogoniam 913 & Manuscrit T)
Φερσεφόνη. Natural death (φθέρσω) and violent death (φένω). (Eustathius, Commentarii ad Homeri Iliadem pertinentes, 2, 760)
Φερρεφάττης. Because she feeds (φέρβειν) the ring-dove (φάτταν), for the ring-dove is sacred to her. (Porphyry, On Abstinence From Killing Animals, 4.16.5)
Bibliography:
Sound, Meaning, and Imagery in Palimpsest Sin. Ar. NF 66 and in the Orphic Hymns
La déesse Korè-Perséphone : mythe, culte et magie en Attique
Redesigning of the Nine muses to appear more to the likeness of their parents especially Zeus
ARES IS NOT THE PROTECTOR OF WOMEN IN GREEK MYTHOLOGY.
He is never presented as such in any source, there is no evidence such a role was ever assigned to him in any account, and as far as I'm aware this popular yet unattested assertion is born from the echo-chambers of tumblr. In fact quite the opposite could be argued. TW for sexual assault.
This baffling claim seems to originate from a sort of shallow examination of the way Ares "behaves in myth", and the following arguments are the most frequently presented:
1. Ares protects his daughter Alkippe from assault, and is therefore morally opposed to rape. (Apollodorus 3.180, Pausanias 1.21.4, Suidas "Areios pagos", attributed to Hellanikos)
Curiously this argument is never applied to, among other examples: Apollo for defending his mother Leto from Tytios, Herakles for defending Hera from Porphyrion (or his wife Deianeira from Nessos), or Zeus for defending his sister Demeter from Iasion (in the versions where he attacks her), etc. The multiple accounts of rape of the previously mentioned figures did not conflict with these stories in greek thought: they're defending family members or women otherwise close to them. This sort of mentality is not uncommon even in contemporary times, e.g. a warrior may have no ethical problem killing men, but would not want his own family or loved ones to be killed. The same goes here for sexual assault.
2. There are no surviving accounts of Ares sexually assaulting anybody.
The idea that the ancient greeks pictured that, among all the gods, Ares was the only one who shied away from committing rape is baseless and borders on ridiculous. In this case absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
The majority of surviving records regarding Ares' unions are presented in a genealogical manner, and do not go into details on their nature. This is the case for most works of mythography, where specifics of sexual encounters are to be found elsewhere. However, common motifs present in other accounts of rape also appear in stories concerning Ares' relationships, e.g. tropes like shape-shifting/the use of disguises, the victim being a huntress, secrecy, and the disposal of the concieved child, are to be found in the stories of Phylonome and Astyoche respectively:
Φυλονόμη Νυκτίμου καὶ Ἀρκαδίας θυγάτηρ ἐκυνήγει σὺν τῇ Ἀρτέμιδι: Ἄρης δ᾽ ἐν σχήματι ποιμένος ἔγκυον ἐποίησεν. ἡ δὲ τεκοῦσα διδύμους παῖδας καὶ φοβουμένη τὸν πατέρα ἔρριψεν εἰς τὸν Ἐρύμανθο
"Phylonome, the daughter of Nyktimos and Arkadia, was wont to hunt with Artemis; but Ares, in the guise of a shepherd, got her with child. She gave birth to twin children and, fearing her father, cast them into the [River] Erymanthos." (Pseudo-Plutarch, Greek and Roman Parallel Stories, 36)
οἳ δ᾽ Ἀσπληδόνα ναῖον ἰδ᾽ Ὀρχομενὸν Μινύειον, τῶν ἦρχ᾽ Ἀσκάλαφος καὶ Ἰάλμενος υἷες Ἄρηος οὓς τέκεν Ἀστυόχη δόμῳ Ἄκτορος Ἀζεΐδαο, παρθένος αἰδοίη ὑπερώϊον εἰσαναβᾶσα Ἄρηϊ κρατερῷ: ὃ δέ οἱ παρελέξατο λάθρῃ: τοῖς δὲ τριήκοντα γλαφυραὶ νέες ἐστιχόωντο.
"And they that dwelt in Aspledon and Orchomenus of the Minyae were led by Ascalaphus and Ialmenus, sons of Ares, whom, in the palace of Actor, son of Azeus, Astyoche, the honoured maiden, conceived of mighty Ares, when she had entered into her upper chamber; for he lay with her in secret" (Homer, Iliad 2. 512 ff)
In neither of these cases is a verb explicitly denoting rape used, though it is heavily implied by the context. The focus of the action is on the conception of sons, the nature of the interaction is secondary.
Other examples are found among the daughters of the river Asopos, who where (and here there's no confusion) ravished and kidnapped by different gods to different parts of the greek world, where they found local lines through children borne to their abductors and serve as eponyms. Surviving fragments from Corinna of Tanagra tell us:
"Asopos went to his haunts . . from you halls . . into woe . . Of these [nine] daughters Zeus, giver of good things, took his [Asopos'] child Aigina . . from her father's [house] . . while Korkyra and Salamis and lovely Euboia were stolen by father Poseidon, and Leto's son is in possession of Sinope and Thespia . . [and Tanagra was seized by Hermes] . . But to Asopos no one was able to make the matter clear, until . . [the seer Akraiphen reveals to him] 'And of your daughters father Zeus, king of all, has three; and Poseidon, ruler of the sea, married three; and Phoibos [Apollon] is master of the beds of two of them, and of one Hermes, good son of Maia. For so did the pair Eros and the Kypris persuade them, that they should go in secret to your house and take your nine daughters." (heavily fragmented papyrus. Corinna fr. 654)
"For your [Tanagra's] sake Hermes boxed against Ares." (Corinna fr. 666)
It seems that, similar to the myths of Beroe or Marpessa, the abducted maiden is fought over by two competing "suitors", and though we can infer that the outcome of the story is that Hermes gets to keep Tanagra, apparently by beating Ares in a boxing match, we don't actually know what happened or how it happened. In any case, Ares does mate with another daughter of Asopos, Harpina, who bears him Oinomaos according to some versions (Paus. 5.22.6; Stephanus Byzantium. Ethnica. A125.3; Diodorus Siculus 4. 73. 1). There is little reason to suppose that this encounter wasn't pictured as an abduction like the rest of her sisters.
The blatant statement that each of his affairs was envisioned as consensual is simply not true.
3. He was worshipped under the epithet Gynaikothoinas "feasted by women"
This was a local cult that existed in Tegea, the following reason is given:
"There is also an image of Ares in the marketplace of Tegea. Carved in relief on a slab it is called Gynaecothoenas. At the time of the Laconian war, when Charillus king of Lacedaemon made the first invasion, the women armed themselves and lay in ambush under the hill they call today Phylactris. When the armies met and the men on either side were performing many remarkable exploits, the women, they say, came on the scene and put the Lacedaemonians to flight. Marpessa, surnamed Choera, surpassed, they say, the other women in daring, while Charillus himself was one of the Spartan prisoners. The story goes on to say that he was set free without ransom, swore to the Tegeans that the Lacedaemonians would never again attack Tegea, and then broke his oath; that the women offered to Ares a sacrifice of victory on their own account without the men, and gave to the men no share in the meat of the victim. For this reason Ares got his surname." (Paus. 8.48.4-5)
As emphasised by Georgoudi in To Act, Not Submit: Women’s Attitudes in Situations of War in Ancient Greece (part of the highly recommendable collection of essays Women and War in Antiquity), "it is not necessary to see the operation of an invitation in the bestowal of the epithet Γυναικοθοίνας on Ares". The epithet is ambiguous, and can be translated both as "Host of the banquet of women" or "[He who is] invited to the banquet of women". In any case no act of divine intervention occurs, and the main reason for the women's act of devotion lies principally in recognising their decisive role in the routing of the Lakedaimonians. It's they who preside/participate in the feast of war, the men are excluded.
Also this a local epithet that isn't found anywhere else in Greece. As such it would be worth reminding that not every Ares is Gynaikothoinas, in the same way not every Zeus is Aithiopian, not every Demeter Erinys, and not every Artemis of Ephesos.
4. He was the patron god of the Amazons
He was considered progenitor of the Amazons because of their proverbial warlike nature and love of battle, the same reason he was associated with other "barbaric" tribes, like the Thracians or the Scythians. In this capacity he was also appointed as a suitable father/ancestor for other violent and savage characters who generally function as antagonists (e.g. Kyknos, Diomedes of Thrace, Tereos of Thrace, Oinomaos, Agrios and Oreios, Phlegyas, Lykos etc.). Also he was by no means the only god connected with the Amazons (they were in fact especially linked to Artemis, see Religious Cults Associated With the Amazons by Florence Mary Bennett, if only for the bibliography).
Similarly, Poseidon was considered patron and ancestor of the Phaiakians mainly because of their mastery over the art of seafaring (and was curiously also credited in genealogies as father to monsters and other disreputable figures).
On another note I have found no sources that claim he taught his amazon daughters how to fight, as I've seen often mentioned (though I admit I'd love to be proven wrong on that point).
5. Finally, the last reason Ares could never be portrayed as a protector of women is because of his divine assignation itself
The uncountable references to his love of bloodshed and man-slaying don't just stop short of the battlefield, but continue on to the conclusion and intended purpose of most waged wars in antiquity: the sacking of the city. The title Sacker of Cities as an epithet of Ares (though it is by no means exclusive to him) is encountered numerous times and in different variations (eg. τειχεσιπλήτης or πτολίπορθος), and the meaning behind the epithet is plain. Though it is hard to summarise without being reductionist, the sacking of a city entails the plundering of all its goods, the slaughtering of its men, and the sistematic raping and enslavement of the surviving women (to name only a small few of the literary references see The Iliad, The Trojan Women or The Women of Trachis). There is little need to emphasise that war as concieved of in ancient greece, especifically the brutal aspects of war Ares is most often associated with, directly entailed sexual violence against women as one of it's main concerns. The multiple references to Ares being an unloved or disliked deity are because of this, because war is horrifying (not because his daddy is a big old meany who hates him for no reason, Zeus makes very clear the motive for his contempt in the Iliad (5. 889-891): "Do not sit beside me and whine, you double-faced liar. To me you are most hateful of all gods who hold Olympos. Forever quarreling is dear to your heart, wars and battles.")
Ares was only the protector of women inasmuch as he could be averted or repelled (e.g. surviving apotropaic chants):
"There is no clash of brazen shields but our fight is with the war god, a war god ringed with the cries of men, a savage god who burns us; grant that he turn in racing course backward out of our country’s bounds, to the great palace of Amphitrite or where the waves of the thracian sea deny the stranger safe anchorage. Whatsoever escapes the night at last the light of day revisits; so smite him, Father Zeus, beneath your thunderbolt, for you are the lord of the lightning, the lightning that carries fire." (Shophocles, Oedipus Tyrannos, 190-202)
"And let no murderous havoc come upon the realm to ravage it, by arming Ares—foe to the dance and lute, parent of tears—and the shout of civil strife." (Aeschylus, Suppliant Women 678)
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All that being said, this is a post about Ares as conceptualized and attested in ancient sources, made specifically in response to condescending statements about how "uhmmm, actually, in greek mythology Ares was a super-feminist himbo who was worshipped as the protector of women and was hated by his family for no reason, you idiot". It is factually incorrect. HOWEVER, far be it from me to tell anyone how they have to interact with this deity. Be it your retellings, your headcannons or your own personal religious attachments and beliefs towards Ares, those are your own provinces and prerogatives, and not what was being discussed here at all (I personally love art where Ares and Aphrodite goof around, or retellings where he plays with his daughters, or headcannons that showcase his more noble sides, etc.)
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I've seen that other people on tumblr have made similar posts, the ones I've seen were by @deathlessathanasia and @en-theos . I have no idea how to link their posts, but they're really good so go check them out on their pages!
The Nine Muses of Ancient Greece
sorry visual artists, the historians need a creative boost to whitewash every thing that ever happened. you’re on your own.
@samthor I dont understand what you mean by that can you clarify it?
there is no muse specific to painters, sculptures, and draftsmen (drawers); but historians get a muse. historians, who are supposed to deal in fact, not fantasy or fiction and therefore would not need a muse.
Euterpe micromanaging the flute also seems a bit much.
Timely reminder that there are more than nine Muses, and that they aren't, and shouldn't be reduced to, goddesses of the arts. Indeed, they embodied the greatest goal of Art, defined by the German philologist Walter Friederich Otto as the "eternal magnificence of the divine," but Ada Caruso, in "Mouseia. Tipologie, contesti, significati culturali di un'istituzione sacra (VII-I sec. a.C.), specifically states that the Muses serve as intermediaries between divine wisdom and human learning, which they instruct and protect, and that their role is thus similar to that of gods' interpreters, of oracular divination.
There is no muse for painters, sculptures, and so on because the number nine established itself and was received in the sixth century BC, when the names of Hesiodic tradition took root. Further confirmation comes during the Hellenistic period, when Herodotus' Histories are divided into nine books and each is assigned the name of a Muse. We should also consider that the Muses didn't have a specific role at first and later specialized (the etymology of their names determines their artistic spheres).
Probably a stupid question, but I want to ask 😅. What personalities do the Muses have and do they have a signature color ?
There is no such thing as a stupid question!
First of all, the Muses play an important role in Greek religion, but their mythological significance is less clear. We have very few myths about them, and they act as a group, so their personalities are not well defined.
Secondly, I don't think they have a signature color but I've seen that they are often associated with violet (they are "violet-tressed" in Pindar, "violet-crowned" and "violet-eyed" in Bacchylides, with a violet-colored waistband in Sappho), gold (they are "gold-crowned" in Hesiod, they have gold diadems and are "golden" in Pindar, with a golden frontlet or headband in Sappho, with wings of gold in the Papyri Graecae Magicae), silver (they are "silvery" in Pindar), saffron (they have a saffron robe or veil in Alcman). More specifically, Klio is "golden-robed" (Bacchylides), Terpsichore is "rosy" (Nonnus), and Urania wears a golden frontlet/headband.
I didn't realize you were researching the Muses (I'm doing that too 😊) . Do you know any other Greek deities or figures who were connected with the Muses? Also, which children did the Muses had ? I know some of them, but I don't know if I missed anyone.
Hi! I'm so sorry for the late reply, I didn't notice the notification! There are several texts that discuss the Muses' children, but, if we stick to the earliest sources, the most solid is Orpheus as Calliope's son. I'll write a more comprehensive list down below!
If you want to talk more about the Muses, feel free to send me more asks or even dm me! 💖
Greek myth fandom would be a better place if people understood that, while yes, you are allowed to have fun with this characters, and yes, you don't need to be an expert to enjoy myths and re-tellings.
Please, please! Never forget that this is not *just a piece of media* like a book or a movie
This is cultural heritage of the Greeks, this stories are one of the few ways we have to look back at how things were for humans thousands of years ago. This stories matter in a religious, cultural, academic and anthropological context.
You can call any of the greek gods your blorbo, but remember that your blorbo is still a god that is currently still part of an active religion.
So what i'm trying to say is: Be respectful. Understand why people can and have the right to get mad if some writer goes "My re-telling is 100% accurate and it's the best version of the story" and then it isn't.
Is okey to admitt you're not going the full lenght with accuracy, that will always be better than claiming you have "corrected" this stories as if they were broken to begin with. They are not, they are what they are meant to be: Cautionary tales, folk stories, and a peek into the culture of a civilization that lived hundreds of years ago.
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"dante's divine comedy is fanfiction" is just such a boring claim. it fails to say anything interesting about either the divine comedy or fanfiction. and in fact it actively discourages actual analysis of the text by simplifying the whole thing into something more understandable to the modern reader at the expense of real engagement. it attempts to answer interesting questions the text in the most boring way possible.
why does dante chose to include himself as the protagonist? "well it's self-insert fanfiction!" why does dante chose virgil, a pagan poet, to be his guide through the christian afterlife? "that was his celebrity crush!" why did dante chose to put [italian political figure] in [insert circle of hell]? "oh it's just wish fulfillment"
just boring interpretations. these are all real questions that can be asked about the text and that have been asked about the text and that have been answered in more complex and interesting ways. not everything can be shoved into a more familiar context and it's not interesting to approach them that way.
also, it's not interesting to approach fanfiction as just "anything influenced by mythology/prior fiction/history/religion/author's own life/etc" because that would make just about everything fanfiction. and i think there are interesting things that can be said about fanfiction (why it emerges, it's relationship to the original text, development of fanfiction-specific tropes/style, etc) but in order to have those conversations we do have to first set sensical parameters about what fanfiction is
let's all hold hands and approach texts with more nuance
And after "The Divine Comedy is a fanfic", the thrilling sequel: "The Odyssey is a fantasy"
Hii! hey guys, I was just wondering if anyone had any resources (other than Theoi.com I've already gone through that) for learning about Mnemosyne and the Muses? Or even like, little devotional acts? I have started to feel a pull to work and worship them, and was wondering if anyone had any tips? I know they aren't really worshipped or well known, so if anyone has any tips, they'd be beyond valuable! Thank you!
Hi! Reblogging since I've been researching the Muses for a while and I know how hard it is to find solid studies on them!
I always to suggest to start with Between Tradition and Innovation: Genealogy, Names and the Number of the Muses by Tomasz Mojsik (you can find his other papers on Academia . edu and Researchgate) and Enumerating the Muses: Tzetzes in Hes. Op. 1 and the parody of catalogic poetry in Epicharmus by Olga Tribulato!
Do the Muses have epithets as well ? I noticed one of the Dionysus' epithets is similar to Melpomene's name (Melpomenos) and I wonder if there's a connection.
Hii!
Apparently no, except for their specific attributes, they don't have any other epithet or titles that I am aware of.
Thank you for your ask though!!! 🩷🩷
They actually have individual epithets (except for Euterpe)! Here's a list I've made and that includes the sources ✨
Kalliope
Ἄμβροτος / Ambrotos = immortal, divine (Empedocles v. 383) Ἐρασιπλόκαμος / Erasiplokamos = lovely-haired (Bacchylides Fragment 28) Λιγεία / Ligeia = clear-voiced (Stesichorus Fragment 240) Περίφρων / Periphron = wise (Orphic Argonautica 680) Πολύμυθος / Polymythos = eloquent, of many words, full of story (AP IX 923) Πρεσβυτάτη / Presbytate = eldest (Plato Phaedrus 259d
Klio
Ἐπίσκοπος (χερνίβων) / Episkopos (chernibon) = guardian (of the ablutions) (Simonides Fragment 72 P) Εὔθρονος / Euthronos = with beautiful throne (Pindar n. 82) Χρυσόπεπλος / Chrysopeplos = golden-robed (Simonides Fragment 577) Γλυκύδωρος / Glykydoros = giver of sweet gifts (Bacchylides Victory Odes 3) Υμνοάνασσα / Hymenoassa = queen/ruler of song (Bacchylides Victory Odes 12) Πανθαλής / Panthales = giver of all bloom, flowering (Bacchylides 13.229) Πολύλιστος / Polysistos = besought with many prayers (Simonides Fragment 74 P)
Eratò
Λιγεία / Ligeia = clear-voiced (Strabo Geography 8.3.20)
Melpomene
Μελῳδός / Melodos = melodious (Lycophron Alexandra 712 ff)
Polyhymnia
Μαῖα (χορείης) / Maia (choreies) =nursingmother (of the dance) (Nonnus Dionysiaca 5. 103)
Thalia
Ἐρασίμολπος / Erasimolpos = delighting in song (Pindar Odes 14.15)
Terpsichore
Χαρίεσσα / Chariessa = elegant (AP IX 504) Μελίφθογγος / Meliphthongos = honey-voiced (Pindar Isthmian Ode 2.6) Mαλθακόφωνος / Malthakophonos = soft-voiced, gentle-voiced (Pindar Isthmian Ode 2.6) Φιλόβοτρυς / Philobotrys = fond of bunches of grapes (Nonnus Dionysiaca 29. 238) Ροδόεις or Ῥοδόεσσα / Rhodoeis or Rhodoessa = rosy (Nonnus Dionysiaca 13. 313 ff)
Urania
Αναξίμολπος /Anaximolpos = queen/ruler of song (Bacchylides Victory Odes 6.10) Aναξιφόρμιγξ / Anaxiphormix = queen/ruler of the lyre (Bacchylides Victory Odes 4.6) Ἀερσίνοος / Aersinoos = increasing intelligence (Nonnus Dionysiaca 33. 67) Εὐστέφανος / Eustephanos = well-crowned (Diogenes Laertius Prologue 4) Χρυσάμπυξ / Chrysampyx = with a golden frontlet or headband (Bacchylides 5.10)