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Christopher Nolanās blockbuster movie of The Odyssey has resulted in a boom in demand for the classic tale in physical book form.
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this one moment from seneca's thyestes! it's like reading those high-emotion decisive moments in shakespeare when you have to stop and think about everything that needs to happen in between the lines
THYESTES: Bring me my children now! [...] Come, children! Your unhappy father calls you, come! [...] [A slave brings a basket forward] ATREUS: Open your arms, father. They're here. [Uncovering the severed heads and hands of THYESTE's children] Surely you recognize your children? THYESTES: I recognize my brother.
it's so abrupt when you read it but obviously on stage there has to be time for that moment of initial disgust... of recognition... of realization... of pure horror that his own brother -- who's been treating him sweet as anything all day -- would do this to young nephews.
imagine the myriad of ways to deliver that last line. a roar of rage? a sob? hissed through clenched teeth? personally i think i'd utter it as a numbed whisper
not to be a gatekeeper or anything but i wholeheartedly believe that if you cannot appreciate the constant planning, effort, and labor of ancient workers (slaves, farmers, weavers, potters, etc) - you genuinely cannot examine or appreciate antiquity in any meaningful way (besides becoming an example for what NOT to do).
Because so much of what survives - the impressive works that people think of when they hear āGreece,ā āRome,ā āEgypt,ā āSumer,ā etc. is not the result of āscholarsā but was built off the labor and skills of laborers who were not āscholarsā in the modern sense, were not āeducatedā in the same manner as someone from fucking middle-class USA or whatever, but who were trained and informed about their particular discipline in a way that most of us cannot even begin to fathom. And their labor was built off the unseen efforts of other workers - slaves, farmers, weavers, potters, quarrymen, smiths, etc - with similarly specialized, period-specific knowledge that I think is impossible to fully appreciate if you do not respect blue-collar work and manual labor.
Like, you can say you āknow moreā than the average person in antiquity - but you donāt. Maybe in a conceptual manner - yeah, we know about distant planets and galaxies, weāve got germ theory, we have made a collection of the entire human genome, we have walked on the fucking moon - but from the perspective of someone from 500 BCE (if I may be allowed a dash of speculation here), does that matter?
In our industrialized, globalized world, I think we forget the sheer effort that went into everything. The sheer degree of skill needed to create homes, tools, clothing, ceramics, fine jewelry, statues, and everything in-between. The skill, knowledge, and effort that went into everyday subsistence activities, like farming, herding, and weaving; and into other trades such as shipping and manufacturing. These are not mindless tasks, devoid of calculation and forethought; to pretend they are in even the slightest is disingenuous.
I would even go so far as to say it is extremely classist & sexist, because - shocker - people still work in these fields. The food you eat, the clothes you wear, the streets you walk, the buildings you eat and sleep and live in - these did not spawn out of a vacuum. Constant effort - unending, backbreaking labor, time, and skill has gone into the world we walk through today, so people can go on pretending like theyāre somehow āsmarterā than those who came before them, when the only difference is that we* are able to concentrate on something besides our own survival. something otherwise āuselessā for everyday survival, and i say that as an archaeologist. Excavating a Bronze Age brewery does not provide food, it does not provide you with clothes (it actually damages them), it does not give you shelter, it mostly provides you with broken potsherds and a whole lot of dirt destined for floatation. Yes, it requires practical skills too - but many of these are essentially also used, even more frequently, in manual labor and agriculture.
And - in this broken, frightful world - we are so damn lucky** that people can even spare time for this, to learn more about the ancient world. And we are even more lucky that - when we are born with health complications, are disabled, or are faced with diseases like pneumonia, measles, and COVID - that these are not death sentences. Artificial scarcity, corporate greed, and fearmongering can make them so, but there is still that ability to live. To focus on the past, instead of making it to the next day, the next week, the next month.
But - I want to emphasize here - this is all entirely reliant on the work of people who continue to carry out the same manual labor done by countless individuals - enslaved and free - up through antiquity. People whose calculations were their survival, whose understanding of the natural world and local resources made the difference between life and death.
To pretend like we are somehow more knowledgable, more capable, more āadvancedā intellectually than those who laid the foundations for the entire fucking world we live in today, is a lie. A smug, disgusting little lie that spits on all we have done as a species (and all the progress we are trying to make) with the idea that āweāve done itā, weāre āsuperior,ā this idea that only encourages rotting in self-assured apathy while the world burns.
And you cannot appreciate the past when you approach it with false assumptions which are based on nothing except preconcieved notions of modern superiority and the belief that knowledge is both āquantifiableā and absolute. We are just as capable of joy, wisdom, compassion, and love as the ancients; and we are just as susceptible to fear, anger, and hatred as they were. Iām not saying everyone has to know the ins and outs of every ancient industry ever to appreciate the fucking Parthenon, but if someone cannot approach the ancient world with an open mind, a sense of humility, and self-reflection - then I suspect they cannot appreciate the fucking Parthenon.
*When I use the term 'we,' I am referring to individuals who do not specialize in manual labor/blue-collar industries and/or engage in subsistence agriculture.
**I know that these are all very situational and that the management and medicine available to people is inextricable from their class, identity, and nationality. I am merely trying to stress that it is possible. I would be dead without modern medicine; and I know countless others who are the same way.
I cant stop thinking about this absolutely brutal takedown umberto eco wrote about dan brown
I KNEW THIS WOULD MAKE ED EVEN MORE RESOLUTE AND STUPID. God, Eduard. Because he's done so much! He has done so much in the pursuit of this thing, and what the fuck would happen if he gave it up? What would he have to live with if he gave it all up? It can't be for nothing that I burned our house down, it can't be for nothing that I turned us into a world of two the rest of the world can't reach, it can't be for nothing that I joined the military, it can't be for nothing that I KILLED SOMEONE, it can't be for thinking that I did whatever horrible thing I am about to do.
I LOVE how he can't let go. How he has seen, over and over again, that this will only drive him further and further from the person he believes himself to be, but he can't stop, because if he stops it was all for nothing. He HAS to believe it was worth it.
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I am bopping around and doing a little dance to the sound of Ed's anguished scream. God I hope we dwell in this a little bit, I hope Ed has to tangle with it, I hope he has to decide what he's going to do, and Ed being Ed and being a stubborn asshole, will this only make him more resolute? Because, I mean, they don't call him Edward "Sunk Cost Fallacy" Elric for nothin!
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Oh my god, this is SUCCULENT. This is what I wanted. This is what I wanted!
I was right that he genuinely did not have the idea that he could kill Greed, whatever he did, it was about winning, it was about a game, it was about being God's specialest boy Edward Elric. It was about proving himself, and he had it all built up in his head that he was gonna be a big tough guy, and fight like he was going to kill Greed, but of course, he couldn't actually kill Greed. Greed can't die. So this can't be happening. He can't have killed someone.
The way he gets more and more panicky as he realizes that he has really done it, that he's killed someone and now he has to live with that the rest of his life, is so good. I love the expression on his face, this hurt and terror in his realization that he is now a person who kills people. Whatever Al thinks of their humanity is irrelevant, because Ed DOES think of them as people, and so he has killed a person. It's not a game where everyone pats him on the head and tells him how smart he is, this is actual war. This is what it looks like.
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"Oh shit, that looks fucked up and extremely dangerous, and I have no idea what I'm running into!"
Ed:
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I adore the look on Greed's face here, he's slumping to his knees and dying in front of Ed and his look is just, "Lol girl this is so fucking funny ahaha look at your face you're so traumatized right now. yolo BUT NOT FOR LONG"
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found myself unexpectedly emotional at a moment in seneca's thyestes when the chorus (a group of argives) sing in horror,
Are we of all generations in human history judged worthy of being crushed by the world's collapse? Is ours the final age of man?
and it made me realize that surely one of the oldest fears of humanity has to be the idea of the world ending within our lifetime; seeing the end coming and being alive to experience it. i worry about it, and here's an ancient roman expressing it, by making a people of an ancient-to-him mythological past worry about it. in every generation someone's been certain the world will collapse very very soon, and here we still are.
Iphigenia's gender is not irrelevant to her sacrifice but I think it matters less than one would initially assume. In some ways I think she is adjacent to the "lost youth" archetype that is present in a lot of male characters in these myths. Polyxena's gender, however, feels EXTREMELY relevant to her death myth. and I think that's interesting I could have more to say but I will read euripides hecuba and get back to you
Actually the WORST thing to come out of the new Odyssey movie is that people are going to spread blatant misinformation on how nuanced mythology is. I have already seen multiple asks/posts about how "Helen was brainwashed by Aphrodite" like okay thank you for solving decades long debate on Helen's autonomy in one tumblr post but we literally do not have a singular conclusion on that.
A cautionary tale about the growing literacy crisis
"it's ok to show (x) in fiction as long as the bad guy gets punished!" the bad guy doesn't have to get punished. in fact the bad guy can win altogether. the bad guy can entirely get away with it. hope this helps
and this part might make some people's head explode but: characters can be written to forgive things you personally wouldn't ever forgive. not everything is written as what you'd perceive to be the right choice. not everything is a self-insert & protagonists don't have to be relatable.
The Illiad is probably my fave (predictable) but my Classics 1 and 2 prof had a huge boner for Ovid so I know things about Metamorphoses that I do not care about ahahah.
Metamorphoses is amazing! Did you have a favorite story? I sometimes see frustration from classicists that Ovidās version is the only one people know, but come on thatās not Ovidās fault heās still great.
bouncing off of @an-ruraiochtās Iliad/Odyssey/Aeneid poll Iām curious about some other ancient Greek and Roman texts
Which of the following Greek or Roman texts would you say you are most familiar with?
The Iliad (Homer)
The Odyssey (Homer)
The Aeneid (Vergil)
Antigone (Sophocles)
Oedipus Rex (Sophocles)
Medea (Euripides)
The Bacchae (Euripides)
Another Greek tragedy (tell me in the tags!)
Metamorphoses (Ovid)
Pharsalia/Bellum Civile (Lucan)
Thebaid (Statius)
Another Greek or Roman epic poem (tell me in the tags!)